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The end of leagues as we know?

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scsutommyboy said:
Does anybody know why UND and DU don't like McLeod? Can't the schools get rid of him any way on a vote?
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UND and DU may have noticed how Texas and Oklahoma get the lion's share of money in the Big XII-II and want a similar system for any money coming out of the games at the X or Engelstad in the postseason.
 
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UND and DU may have noticed how Texas and Oklahoma get the lion's share of money in the Big XII-II and want a similar system for any money coming out of the games at the X or Engelstad in the postseason.
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Too bad Denver has nothing to do with the value of the X money...
 
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Osorojo said:
A fat cat hockey conference may very well push several smaller, less affluent schools out of college hockey. Look at the bright side should this happen. These "left out" colleges can use the resources currently devoted to training students for a career in hockey to prepare students for careers in business and (non-sports) professions.
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Bright side? Really? Where's the bright side of taking away their opportunity to play hockey WHILE they prepare for careers in business and non-sports professions? You act like the two are mutually exclisive. The majority of college players will never play pro, especially at the "less affluent" schools you allude too.
 
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Biddco said:
http://twitter.com/#!/chnews/status/88597138371653633


Would ND going to HE make things much easier for keeping the current WCHA? I would like to think so.
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I call BS! If it isnt written by the GREATEST COLLEGE HOCKEY WRITER OF ALL TIME BRAD SCHLOSSMAN and if it doesnt agree with some random thought that comes from dg it MUST BE A LIE!!!1!!!111

And Priceless the Gophs will go on the road. This isnt SEC football here there is only so many games you can have at home...especially if you expect the fans to pay $36 a pop plus donations :eek:
 
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So being an RIT fan and a typical fan at that.... I have a whole bias for only thinking about my team. And all I can think about is that if what we're expecting to happen, actually happens. Then the chances of their being a "Liberty League" are pretty high.

Liberty League being a D3 league that contains 5/6 playups or grandfathered teams. The thought is that those teams and one other team would form a hockey conference.

The Teams:
RIT
RPI
Clarkson
Union
St. Lawrence

The sixth team that would join?
Colgate possibly...
 
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Priceless said:
Why would they need to go on the road out of conference?
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You are right. I doubt we see the BTHC going out on the road more than 4 games a year during non conference play.

SJHovey said:
I just disagree with this logic. There are endless instances where recruits in any sport have a chance to go play for teams in conferences with lots of tv exposure. BTN exposure for basketball and football are perfect examples. Just because mom and dad can sit at home and watch the kid on the BTN doesn't translate into top recruits flooding every team in that conference.

It's nice being on tv. On the other hand, no wants to be seen on tv playing goalie for a 4-20 team every week. I can tell you as a UND fan, in or out of what will be left of the WCHA, I do not lose one second of sleep over lost recruiting opportunities against Penn St. and Ohio St.

Also, if everyone is hitching the success of the BTHC to the BTN, I'd be careful with that. TV programming like we know it is going the way of the dinosaur. I already watch virtually every UND game just about anywhere I can get a computer connection. In my lifetime (and I'm probably a heck of a lot older than most others on this site) we're going to be walking around with our I pad type devices watching streaming content put out by each of our respective schools. There will be the Gopher network, the Badger network, etc... The wave of the future
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The BTHC will be seen every where in North America. A Gopher, BADger, Sioux network would only be seen in your own community which helps recruiting. You seem pretty confident the Sioux will be fine with recruiting and the school will go on its merry way. Maybe but if the BT continues to expand around 8 teams then I would be concerned. The BHHC will be hurt by this and UND will be hurt. We just don't know how hurt they will be. It might take five years.

dggoddard said:
90% of the elite players are drafted BEFORE they get to college, so elite players end up going to schools that gives them the best perceived advantage of making the NHL [coaching, facilities, strength training].

I would also add that a majority of hockey players attend schools that are an easy commute for family and friends to attend games in person. So location, location, location.

TV exposure is more critical to alumni and fans at the end of the day.

Interesting to note that Notre Dame believes that their proposed TV network may have trouble cracking local cable channel lineups and are betting on technology improving and digital computer streaming to televisions may be their solution.
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I agree location is important but location is not a problem with the Big Ten.

First Time said:
Goodwill sounds nice but how many non-conference road trips does Minnesota go on now?
I don't see Minnesota giving up gate receipts out of the goodness of their hearts.
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IMO, the Big Ten will not be going out on the road all to often. LIke the rest of the WCHA, SCSU will likely see Minnesota twice a decade in their own rink if by chance we see the Super 8 it will probably go up. I don't see MN, WI, or any other BT school playing the Super 8 teams on the road. What is in it for the Big Ten? Nothing they want there money playing cupcakes during the NC schedule.
 
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Zyklon said:
So being an RIT fan and a typical fan at that.... I have a whole bias for only thinking about my team. And all I can think about is that if what we're expecting to happen, actually happens. Then the chances of their being a "Liberty League" are pretty high.

Liberty League being a D3 league that contains 5/6 playups or grandfathered teams. The thought is that those teams and one other team would form a hockey conference.

The Teams:
RIT
RPI
Clarkson
Union
St. Lawrence

The sixth team that would join?
Colgate possibly...
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Your bias is showing; RIT is the only one that would benefit from this. The only way this would EVER possibly happen is if the Ivy League decided to break off from the ECAC. The only reason the Ivy League would break off from the ECAC, at least from what I can see, is if they weren't very successful in terms of conference standings and automatic tournament bids. Last I checked, they are, so why would they break away? If you were to look the other way, the 6 non-ivies in the league have dependence on the ivy league in terms of recruiting, name recognition within the league, and at this point, strength of schedule (the 5th caller with an EZAC joke that makes me laugh gets a cookie). The only reason a non-ivy would break off from the ECAC is to go to Hockey East, and the only way that bird is coming back is if Notre Dame tries to join Hockey East. Unless Notre Dame tries to get into Hockey East, I foresee no changes to the eastern look when it comes to leagues.
 
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scsutommyboy said:
Depends on the amount of money. They get huge amoutns for football and basketball, but can hockey afford that? One game a week on BTN isn't going to raise that much money so schools are going to have to make less money to have that approach. Especially when the big ten teams have plenty of teams that are a cheap bus trip away.
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That was kind of my point. Hockey is still a niche sport. Can MN, UND, DU, CC really afford to pay teams to come in, play away games and give up the home gate? That's a hell of a lot of cash to be paying.
 
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Teams in college hockey hockey generally schedule home and home non-conference agreements. If you are bringing in a cupcake without a recriprocal game you may kick in for their hotel or a small airplane subsidy.
 
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dggoddard said:
Teams in college hockey hockey generally schedule home and home non-conference agreements. If you are bringing in a cupcake without a recripicol game you may kick in for their hotel or a small airplane subsidy.
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You mean like what UMAA is doing to 4 teams this year? (not that those teams are necessarily by any means a cupcake, but you get my point)
 
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fangers said:
Bright side? Really? Where's the bright side of taking away their opportunity to play hockey WHILE they prepare for careers in business and non-sports professions? You act like the two are mutually exclisive. The majority of college players will never play pro, especially at the "less affluent" schools you allude too.
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If a fat-cat hockey league truly does cause the demise of DI college hockey at some smaller, less affluent schools then the task and the cost of educating students for business and (non-hockey) professions can be reasonably identified as a necessary condition for this demise. A lack of funds to support both DI hockey and education and the higher priority of academic education would be the immediate cause of dropping DI hockey. More money from state taxes or other sources would logically allow small, less affluent schools to maintain their hockey programs and education programs simultaneously. That's the first half of "mutually exclusive."
Your claim (not mine) of "mutually" exclusive also requires DI hockey programs to eliminate academic instruction at participating colleges, now doesn't it? There is plenty of evidence that this supposition is not credible.
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Aren't you mad you weren't cited as their source?
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I can't be quoted on the the record because I'm a candidate to be the first Conference Commissioner. :)

Shirtless Guy said:
I'm glad to see you're still ****ing on 60+ years of history. Good luck making a 12 team NCAA tournament.
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Tell that to Minnesota, Sconnie and the Big Ten Boys who didn't seem to care much about history when they bolted out the barn door.
 
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To be fair, the Big Ten was responding to 100+ years of conference history over the 60 years of hockey history. It blows, but it's not surprising.
 
dggoddard said:
I can't be quoted on the the record because I'm a candidate to be the first Conference Commissioner. :)

Tell that to Minnesota, Sconnie and the Big Ten Boys who didn't seem to care much about history when they bolted out the barn door.
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Once Penn State added the Big Ten Boys didn't have a choice but to do what the Big Ten told them to do.
Way different situation here.
 
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I still blame "Big Barry" at Wisconsin. If he wouldn't have gotten all money hungry at the possible $$$$ that MAY come in from the Big Ten Television Network, the Big Ten probably wouldn't have inforced the by-law about six teams playing a sport (the Big Ten brass hadn't really been saying much). But, the TV money gets split and even the schools that don't have hockey will probably get a cut of the $$$$. What a way to make a few extra $$$$, ride the coat tails of the six schools playing the sport.

"Sure, here are six votes for you Barry, even though we don't offer the sport." signed-Nebraska, Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern.
 
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