The definitive tournament selection thread

[mtuck20]

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Given the schedules that Oswego and Plattsburgh already play, they really don't need to play M'Ville. Oswego has games every year against teams closer to home that have had pretty good seasons in recent years. Hobart, Hamilton, Utica(2), Elmira(2). RIT used to be on the schedule twice a year. None of those games need a night in a hotel, and they are all normally good competition. M'Ville is a bit of a hike. It would make more sense for Plattsburgh to play them, especially if they were to drop Elmira off the schedule. What really hurts M'Ville is the ECAC East/NESCAC interlock. The Midd's and Norwich's have very few non-conference games available, and they play their Primelink, and Plattsburgh, and Times-Argus. What M'Ville should do is work at getting themselves into the Cardinal Classic, Pathfinder Classic, Times-Argus, etc. Get themselves a shot at better competition.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Plus, it would stink that one of the best matchups in Platty-Elmira has to end.

Not to mention the history between the two.

Plattsburgh/Elmira used to be right under Elmira/RIT in terms of rivals.

 

[BulldogProf]

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Looking it as just as a fan of the sport, I agree with you and was hoping Manhattanville would get in.

However, what would you have said if say Lebanon Valley turned their season around with their new coach, ran the table, and miraculously won the ECAC West tournament? Sure, if this was an AQ conference they would get in, but since it's not, could you accept them getting the Pool B bid based on what you wrote above? (And let's not complicate matters by bringing in the MASCAC, okay Joe? )

Well, there's the rub, eh? There are more available variables to choose from than their are qualified teams to choose from, so it is inevitable a crapshoot, with one's judgment being based on which variables one prefers. And whatever variable one prefers, it will create problems when looked at from the perspective of another variable. That's not a sports problem or a fan problem--it's a statistical problem caused by the proliferation of different variables to be used for assessment.

But since in this case the issue is in fact the AQ, and it appears that next year there's only going to be one conference without an AQ, I think the obvious solution is to do whatever it takes to either a) get that conference up to AQ size by adding a couple of teams, or b) dissolve it by parceling its teams out to other conferences. I'm sure there's no pretty scenarios for doing that, so I'm not even going to attempt to promote one or another. I just think its probably necessary to bite the bullet, do the damage, and get on with a new era. We've seen massive realignments in DI basketball in the past decade, and somehow that's all worked out, so such dislocations, while unpleasant, aren't unprecedented. It's the nasty medicine that cures what
ails us.

Then again, I've only been following DIII for three years now, so what the hell do I know!

 

[joecct]

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I think Webb has taken over the NCAA site

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-hockey/champpage/m-hockey-div3-index.html

 

[norm1909]

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I think Webb has taken over the NCAA site

There is a similarity – Webb Here – NCAA Here.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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I know money is the overriding (Sp?) cost, but I think teams are hurting each other in not trying to strengthen their schedule.

Plus, it would stink that one of the best matchups in Platty-Elmira has to end.

Agree 100%. That's why I will always wish to see Middlebury and Norwich on the schedule at least once, if not twice each. Nothing better then being battle tested heading into the big dance. Even if you lay a goose egg during the regular season, you know where you have to be come tourny time.

 

[Matthew Webb]

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I think Webb has taken over the NCAA site

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-hockey/champpage/m-hockey-div3-index.html

Nope. I didn't have time to draw that bracket up because I was too busy drumming up this bunch of drivel. Besides, in any bracket drawn by yours truly, I'd have St. Norbert written in chalk somewhere out in the parking lot.

“This three-sided icon is a modified Mobius strip, which is defined as a three-dimensional shape that only has one side, and one edge that turns in to itself,” Sarff said. “It represents the Division III student-athlete by illustrating the concepts of academics, athletics and extracurricular activities as part of a singular experience.”

The committee proposes allocating $1.2 million over the next two years to support the initiative, which also will cover national efforts to communicate the division’s identity.

 

[NUProf]

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How many plane tickets would the money spent on that nonsense buy?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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Josh,

Is secondary criteria used when deciding two teams from the same region or only when they are in seperate regions?

Case and point,

Could secondary criteria be used when comparing Manhattanville and Elmira for the Pool B? If so, I am still shocked Elmira got in over Manhattanville with the record in last 25% of games criteria.

 

[Matthew Webb]

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Josh,

Is secondary criteria used when deciding two teams from the same region or only when they are in seperate regions?

They can use it whenever they want. I think in the case of Mville/Elmira this year we might be understimating the significance with which SOS is viewed -- even if we give it added importance in the first place.

Just a hunch, of course...

 

[UCBadger]

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Nope. I didn't have time to draw that bracket up because I was too busy drumming up this bunch of drivel.

I know about the EAA in Oshkosh, but did someone really think the yellow/black checked track tanks were a good idea?

 

[Matthew Webb]

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I know about the EAA in Oshkosh, but did someone really think the yellow/black checked track tanks were a good idea?

Amazingly, that's the most impressive aspect of that entire article and I almost pointed it out last night.

Those checkers on the UWO track tops speak more to some original aspect of DIII than anything the NCAA's banners and $1.2 million will. Oh, and the five minute video. Can't forget that.

I bet every coach in the land will pop that sucker in for the team the day it arrives!

Does anyone else fail to see the mobius anywhere, by the way? All I see is the old logo with three words now below it.

 

[UCBadger]

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Does anyone else fail to see the mobius anywhere, by the way? All I see is the old logo with three words now below it.

I noticed that too, but thought they were just teasing me, you know to build excitement until the unveiling of the....................oh, cr*p, the emperor has no clothes!

 

[Matthew Webb]

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Ok, I see it, but no way in hell the average person looks at it and says: "Hey, look! They worked in a mobius strip to represent the three facets of the student athlete. Brilliant!"

Maybe that's where the $1.2 mil for re-education comes in?

 

[Matthew Webb]

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I noticed that too, but thought they were just teasing me, you know to build excitement until the unveiling of the....................oh, cr*p, the emperor has no clothes!

It's the red/blue/blue triangle on the banner. A horrible attempt, but he did specify it was "modified".

 

[UCBadger]

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It's the red/blue/blue triangle on the banner. A horrible attempt, but he did specify it was "modified".

Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter.....it makes the letter D!, Mr. Kotter.........

 

[NUProf]

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Oooh, oooh, Mr. Kotter.....it makes the letter D!, Mr. Kotter.........

Who would have thought that the NCAA would use topology to teach us about athletics

I'd have rather they spent that money on making a national championship format that worked ...

 

[NUProf]

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Didn't know where else to put this, but I find this whole scenario weird, but illustrative of the difference between how the NCAA works with DI sports compared to DIII sports

From the Burlington Free Press:

The University of Vermont men’s basketball team was named a No. 16 seed and will face Syracuse (28-4) on Friday in the opening round of the NCAA basketball tournament. The game will be in Buffalo.

The game is in the West Region of the tournament, which concludes April 5 when the national championship game is held in Indianapolis.

The NCAA is very willing to ignore regional labels for DI basketball. Which of the following is in the West?

Vermont?
Syracuse?
Buffalo?

 

[norm1909]

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Didn't know where else to put this, but I find this whole scenario weird, but illustrative of the difference between how the NCAA works with DI sports compared to DIII sports

From the Burlington Free Press:


The NCAA is very willing to ignore regional labels for DI basketball. Which of the following is in the West?

Vermont?
Syracuse?
Buffalo?

Has to be UVM, go any further West in Vermont than Burlington and you get all wet

 

[Ozz]

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Didn't know where else to put this, but I find this whole scenario weird, but illustrative of the difference between how the NCAA works with DI sports compared to DIII sports

From the Burlington Free Press:


The NCAA is very willing to ignore regional labels for DI basketball. Which of the following is in the West?

Vermont?
Syracuse?
Buffalo?

Actually the term 'west' is in reference to the fact that the Western Region finals are held in Salt Lake City. The preliminary rounds are held all over the country and ot neccisarily in their 'named region.' I actually think this example of showing Vermont vs Syracuse playing in Buffalo shows that the NCAA is concerned with geographic poximity. Now, Gonzaga playing in Buffalo in the opening round certainly shows no conern for geographic proximity...