The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

[The Rube]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

I respect your beliefs. But if I may be so impertinent to ask a question, which Bible? King James? The Catholic one which contains the extra books? The eastern orthodox one which contains even more books? Is there a specific translation that is the correct one?

To preface this, God and I have an understanding, and we bros (to use the current slang of today's language). I do not attend nor believe in any churchin', though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWOqHHE4upY

 

[Kepler]

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To return to the topic, an Ancient Aliens marathon on THC led by several surfing stops to this.

New religions are still being created every day. This speaks to the human need to believe that despite the apparent chaos of the universe somebody, somewhere, has a plan. I think it's one of the most charming aspects of we evolved chimpanzees (except for the part where we torture and kill people who invent a different planner, though I think that's actually the gorilla part of our mentality).

 

[FreshFish]

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New religions are still being created every day

To non-believers looking on from the outside, Progressivism has all the hallmarks of a "religion," you know, especially with the enforced conformity of allowable beliefs.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Yeah minus that whole science part.

 

[unofan]

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To non-believers looking on from the outside, Progressivism has all the hallmarks of a "religion," you know, especially with the enforced conformity of allowable beliefs.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

[Priceless]

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As a builder, I love V because it eliminates stacks of death. But if I were a conqueror I'd probably hate it. There are definitely improvements they could have made without sacrificing balance too much. Even as a bit of a pacifist I think great person generals should permit multiple unit stacking or, even better, the combination that was possible under Warlords. A "combined arms" strategy with mutually reinforcing units would have been good. I also really like the "scope of command" concept in the Slitherine series where you need command points of a certain amount to conduct certain types of campaigns (roughly like the espionage model in Civ IV, which was unfortunately dumbed down in V).

I'm sure we all have utopian civ versions where we take the best of all the releases. Somebody actually put together a mod for IV where you could augment your palace as in I (you know the drill: rugs, screens, throne) which brought tears of nostalgia to my eyes. Each of the releases has actually had at least one wonderful feature I would bring forward.

Welp, that's what Mods are for...

As a member of the Warrior Caste I can confirm that removing the SoD sucks. Of course by the time you get rails it doesn't matter as much. You mass all your forces elsewhere, send a few workers over the border to build rails, leave when the other country threatens war then send the troops in via rail. That's good for a 4-5 tile advantage to jump start your war. Has the bonus effect of keeping the folks back home happy (if you're in Republic) because you're winning the war.

 

[burd]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

To non-believers looking on from the outside, Progressivism has all the hallmarks of a "religion," you know, especially with the enforced conformity of allowable beliefs.

What is your most compelling verifiable example of progressivism's "enforced conformity of allowable beliefs?"

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

To non-believers looking on from the outside, Progressivism has all the hallmarks of a "religion," you know, especially with the enforced conformity of allowable beliefs.

I have no doubt that the characterizations people put on beliefs they don't like can be made to take whatever form they want.

There definitely are teleological aspects of progressivism, though. Which makes sense, since the vast majority of people really, really need to believe in reasons.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I have no doubt that the characterizations people put on beliefs they don't like can be made to take whatever form they want.

I may save this quote for future use.

 

[Kepler]

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I may save this quote for future use.

Fair enough. Sauce for the goose.

When are we going to announce?

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Fair enough. Sauce for the goose.

When are we going to announce?

Your the Beltway guy. How's our fundraising coming? I want columns behind us like Obama had in Denver.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

If you have wheat* inside or adjacent to your border, then Pottery is a no-brainer.

Are you talking V? I'm still on IV/BTS, in which there's nothing special about wheat except that it's a food resource that needs Agriculture in order to be developed.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Are you talking V? I'm still on IV/BTS, in which there's nothing special about wheat except that it's a food resource that needs Agriculture in order to be developed.

I was talking V, but I went and checked last night and my main point is moot because the Mongols start with AH.

Wheat provides a very nice kick in V because it (and... banana?) gets an extra food with Granary. It may also count as farmland for purposes of those later game bonuses. You can very easily get to a food "basket" (i.e., 5) very early with wheat, which if you're a builder gives you a sh-- ton of surplus population to work other resources and build culture buildings which in turn push your borders out to capture *more* resources, and off you go.

Resource exploitation is very good in V, but the two things that IMHO make V outstanding are the stacking ban and the inherent defenses of cities.

VI (Beyond Earth) has introduced what I think is another nice touch. Settler units now found "colonies," and colonies need time to grow to actually become cities. VI has also tweaked the minor powers' value as trading partners in an interesting way.

BTS* saved IV in my (and many others' opinion), because it stepped back that horrendous happiness penalty on new cities. I know what they were going for, but the implementation in vanilla IV was so Draconian even I objected to it.

* edit: it may have been stepped back in Warlords.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Your the Beltway guy. How's our fundraising coming? I want columns behind us like Obama had in Denver.

I would go a different way...

Fundraising is great. We're about maxed out with Neo-Thomist Pro-Business Enviromentalist voters. Now, granted, that's a slightly smaller group than the NRA.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I would go a different way...

Oh oh, dissension in our camp already! What, you want the columns in front of us?

 

[Kepler]

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As a member of the Warrior Caste I can confirm that removing the SoD sucks. Of course by the time you get rails it doesn't matter as much. You mass all your forces elsewhere, send a few workers over the border to build rails, leave when the other country threatens war then send the troops in via rail. That's good for a 4-5 tile advantage to jump start your war. Has the bonus effect of keeping the folks back home happy (if you're in Republic) because you're winning the war.

Great War Bombers are your friend, too.

I've heard Civ described as "A highly complex game of nuanced decision-making and subtle strategy until somebody gets armor."

 

[St. Clown]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

It's entirely God's words....2 Timothy 3 "16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Also 1 Peter "16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

Ah yes, we know that the Bible is God's word because the Bible tells us it's God's word. Begin circular logic..... now!

This is from the WELS website:

"What is true and what is not true? The Bible is God's Word. Not believing some of the Bible will lead to doubting all the Bible. The Bible is not a collection of human ideas and thoughts. The Bible is God's Word, given word for word by the Holy Spirit to human writers. If any part of the Bible is merely human thoughts, and not God's Word, then all of God's Word can't be trusted. If it is God's Word, then all of it is true and is to be believed.

We believe the entire Bible is God's Word and it is true. Our belief is not founded on shaky ground. First, there is more evidence for the documents of the Bible than for any other ancient book. Second, all the writers of the New Testament wrote within the first century of Christ's birth. They all knew Jesus. Third, even historical facts cited by the writers have been proven to be true. Fourth, God promised that the writers would tell the truth. The Holy Spirit guided them so that they did just that.

We believe all of the Bible because in it God tells us that he loves us sinful human beings so very much that he sent His Son Jesus to live, suffer, die and rise for us so that we could be with him in heaven. That is why God tells us that his words "are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).

God's Word is all true. You can trust every word of it from beginning to end."

Assuming everything in the Bible is true, as supposed by your WELS site, explain to me how the story of Jonah and the Whale is biologically possible. Where does a person find the space to live in a whale?

 

[Kepler]

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Oh oh, dissension in our camp already! What, you want the columns in front of us?

I want them UNDER us.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Assuming everything in the Bible is true, as supposed by your WELS site, explain to me how the story of Jonah and the Whale is biologically possible. Where does a person find the space to live in a whale?

Smaller people.

BTW, how the hell has no LOTG movie been made?!

 

[St. Clown]

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Smaller people.

BTW, how the hell has no LOTG movie been made?!

I was hoping for the Lollipop Guild.