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The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

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It's entirely God's words....2 Timothy 3 "16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Also 1 Peter "16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

This is from the WELS website:

"What is true and what is not true? The Bible is God's Word. Not believing some of the Bible will lead to doubting all the Bible. The Bible is not a collection of human ideas and thoughts. The Bible is God's Word, given word for word by the Holy Spirit to human writers. If any part of the Bible is merely human thoughts, and not God's Word, then all of God's Word can't be trusted. If it is God's Word, then all of it is true and is to be believed.

We believe the entire Bible is God's Word and it is true. Our belief is not founded on shaky ground. First, there is more evidence for the documents of the Bible than for any other ancient book. Second, all the writers of the New Testament wrote within the first century of Christ's birth. They all knew Jesus. Third, even historical facts cited by the writers have been proven to be true. Fourth, God promised that the writers would tell the truth. The Holy Spirit guided them so that they did just that.

We believe all of the Bible because in it God tells us that he loves us sinful human beings so very much that he sent His Son Jesus to live, suffer, die and rise for us so that we could be with him in heaven. That is why God tells us that his words "are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).

God's Word is all true. You can trust every word of it from beginning to end."

This is what I believe. I would encourage everyone to get into a Bible study program lead by a studied leader, and sit down in a small group, read it and discuss, whether you believe or not. The small group experience is a lot of fun. I've been doing one for about 4 years now, we started at Genesis with the intent to essentially read the history of the Jews. We have gone though Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, and are just finishing 1 Samuel. God's word is very amazing. Check it out, just try and keep things in context as pulling phrases and sentences out of context can lead to misunderstanding. That's why I suggest working with a studied leader of some sort. You can also get a study Bible, those have all sort of cross-reference tools to make things easier and an archaeological supplement and maps.
 
Timothy A said:
It's entirely God's words....2 Timothy 3 "16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Also 1 Peter "16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

This is from the WELS website:

"What is true and what is not true? The Bible is God's Word. Not believing some of the Bible will lead to doubting all the Bible. The Bible is not a collection of human ideas and thoughts. The Bible is God's Word, given word for word by the Holy Spirit to human writers. If any part of the Bible is merely human thoughts, and not God's Word, then all of God's Word can't be trusted. If it is God's Word, then all of it is true and is to be believed.

We believe the entire Bible is God's Word and it is true. Our belief is not founded on shaky ground. First, there is more evidence for the documents of the Bible than for any other ancient book. Second, all the writers of the New Testament wrote within the first century of Christ's birth. They all knew Jesus. Third, even historical facts cited by the writers have been proven to be true. Fourth, God promised that the writers would tell the truth. The Holy Spirit guided them so that they did just that.

We believe all of the Bible because in it God tells us that he loves us sinful human beings so very much that he sent His Son Jesus to live, suffer, die and rise for us so that we could be with him in heaven. That is why God tells us that his words "are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).

God's Word is all true. You can trust every word of it from beginning to end."

This is what I believe. I would encourage everyone to get into a Bible study program lead by a studied leader, and sit down in a small group, read it and discuss, whether you believe or not. The small group experience is a lot of fun. I've been doing one for about 4 years now, we started at Genesis with the intent to essentially read the history of the Jews. We have gone though Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, and are just finishing 1 Samuel. God's word is very amazing. Check it out, just try and keep things in context as pulling phrases and sentences out of context can lead to misunderstanding. That's why I suggest working with a studied leader of some sort. You can also get a study Bible, those have all sort of cross-reference tools to make things easier and an archaeological supplement and maps.
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I respect your beliefs. But if I may be so impertinent to ask a question, which Bible? King James? The Catholic one which contains the extra books? The eastern orthodox one which contains even more books? Is there a specific translation that is the correct one?
 
Re: The Bible: Real, Fiction, or somewhere in between?

Chop down a few forests to jump start your initial production.
 
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Timothy A said:
It's entirely God's words....2 Timothy 3 "16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

Also 1 Peter "16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

This is from the WELS website:

"What is true and what is not true? The Bible is God's Word. Not believing some of the Bible will lead to doubting all the Bible. The Bible is not a collection of human ideas and thoughts. The Bible is God's Word, given word for word by the Holy Spirit to human writers. If any part of the Bible is merely human thoughts, and not God's Word, then all of God's Word can't be trusted. If it is God's Word, then all of it is true and is to be believed.

We believe the entire Bible is God's Word and it is true. Our belief is not founded on shaky ground. First, there is more evidence for the documents of the Bible than for any other ancient book. Second, all the writers of the New Testament wrote within the first century of Christ's birth. They all knew Jesus. Third, even historical facts cited by the writers have been proven to be true. Fourth, God promised that the writers would tell the truth. The Holy Spirit guided them so that they did just that.

We believe all of the Bible because in it God tells us that he loves us sinful human beings so very much that he sent His Son Jesus to live, suffer, die and rise for us so that we could be with him in heaven. That is why God tells us that his words "are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (John 20:31).

God's Word is all true. You can trust every word of it from beginning to end."

This is what I believe. I would encourage everyone to get into a Bible study program lead by a studied leader, and sit down in a small group, read it and discuss, whether you believe or not. The small group experience is a lot of fun. I've been doing one for about 4 years now, we started at Genesis with the intent to essentially read the history of the Jews. We have gone though Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, and are just finishing 1 Samuel. God's word is very amazing. Check it out, just try and keep things in context as pulling phrases and sentences out of context can lead to misunderstanding. That's why I suggest working with a studied leader of some sort. You can also get a study Bible, those have all sort of cross-reference tools to make things easier and an archaeological supplement and maps.
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One of the foundations of religion, certainly. However, things that concern me are revisions and selective choice of verses, both of which would be done to promote an agenda. Reminds me of that one scene from Footloose when Kevin Bacon is standing there, Bible in hand, quoting verses about dancing. I do also sometimes wonder how many times the Bible has been revised, especially by Romans.
 
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jmh said:
NO POTTERY IS ALWAYS THE BEST YOU GROW YOUR CITIES SO MUCH FASTER

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For the granary, you mean?

Hmm... don't think I'm typically ready to start building improvements that quickly, but I'm also not exactly cutting edge on my strategy.
 
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Craig P. said:
For the granary, you mean?

Hmm... don't think I'm typically ready to start building improvements that quickly, but I'm also not exactly cutting edge on my strategy.
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If you have wheat* inside or adjacent to your border, then Pottery is a no-brainer.

If your unique unit is mounted (I'm looking at you, Mongols), then IMHO Animal Husbandry is the most important to research because if you are distant from horse resources that's going to drive your whole opening.

* If you ever play the main TSL Europe Mod, take a scout, drive him east until you hit Kiev (then turn south) or Bucharest (then turn north). Just wait until you see what the Ukraine looks like. Without exaggeration, I would guess that within a Civ 5 +3 city radius there are regions where you could get 8 wheat. Sometime I'm just going to walk my settler down there, found Moscow in the center of it, and play a one city game and try to grow it as large as possible. I think my max Civ 5 city size is probably about 30 -- that city could reach 50, whatever that translates to in real population. 40 is 30.6M.
 
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Say that I, as a non-gamer, were to try this game for the first time ever, where should I start? Buy "Civilization 5" and jump in? Would I be horribly frustrated by the lack of clear direction? I think the closest I've come to this type of game is a long submersion into "Age of Empires" about 15 years ago.
 
geezer said:
Say that I, as a non-gamer, were to try this game for the first time ever, where should I start? Buy "Civilization 5" and jump in? Would I be horribly frustrated by the lack of clear direction? I think the closest I've come to this type of game is a long submersion into "Age of Empires" about 15 years ago.
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Civ is different from AoE since it's turn based as opposed to real time. I prefer Civ IV to V myself, but you might as well start with the newest one if you plan on jumping in.
 
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unofan said:
Civ is different from AoE since it's turn based as opposed to real time. I prefer Civ IV to V myself, but you might as well start with the newest one if you plan on jumping in.
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I agree with this. I think Civ V is actually somewhat simpler than IV and in particular III.

I would not start with Civ: Beyond Earth. Although it is nearly isomorphic with the prior series of games, the translation to the new planet and tech is (IMHO) needlessly distracting. I'm actually not very happy with it, and I've loved all the Civ releases (except Revolution, which had its own issues).
 
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unofan said:
I prefer Civ IV to V myself, but you might as well start with the newest one if you plan on jumping in.
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As a builder, I love V because it eliminates stacks of death. But if I were a conqueror I'd probably hate it. There are definitely improvements they could have made without sacrificing balance too much. Even as a bit of a pacifist I think great person generals should permit multiple unit stacking or, even better, the combination that was possible under Warlords. A "combined arms" strategy with mutually reinforcing units would have been good. I also really like the "scope of command" concept in the Slitherine series where you need command points of a certain amount to conduct certain types of campaigns (roughly like the espionage model in Civ IV, which was unfortunately dumbed down in V).

I'm sure we all have utopian civ versions where we take the best of all the releases. Somebody actually put together a mod for IV where you could augment your palace as in I (you know the drill: rugs, screens, throne) which brought tears of nostalgia to my eyes. Each of the releases has actually had at least one wonderful feature I would bring forward.

Welp, that's what Mods are for... ;)
 
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Wait, they're up to V now? I just find my copy of II when I need my fix. :o
 
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geezer said:
I think the closest I've come to this type of game is a long submersion into "Age of Empires" about 15 years ago.
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I remember one level from Age of Empires in which you started with one person and had to take over the world. IIRC he had some hypnotic power such that, if he could cast a spell on someone before they killed him, they became his servants. That was pretty cool.
 
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jmh said:
Wait, they're up to V now? I just find my copy of II when I need my fix. :o
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Yeah I stopped at IV. I mean, I know V exists, I just never got around to buying and playing it. II and IV were the best in my opinion; III seemed like a transition between the two that never quite found its footing.
 
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