The Beginning of new hockey leagues

[Biddco]

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I have to believe this was a "controlled" leak and the timing [right before the 4th of July] was intentional. Would love to know the answer to this, one way or another.

What I said, or this.

 

[SanTropez]

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They couldn't have chosen to propose a "hockey exception" to the "if six play the sport" rule? Did they even try that? It's such a convenient excuse, but it's just a league rule. They wrote it; they could lobby to change it.

I'm not sure, but I really do wish the WCHA would have stayed the way it was. I was under the impression though that once the 6th Big Ten team started hockey all the "voting" and such is really just a formality and the conference was a forgone conclusion.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Bucky didn't have a choice. It was their AD who pushed the whole thing through.

 

[5mn_Major]

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From what I heard they didn't like their marketing and lack of broader television deal.

They also said yesterday that they were wasn't a vote to remain together.

4four4's list addressing of McLoed's faults is pretty good...although I don't think you can say that the website and social media is rationale for quiting a conference.

The TV contract is an issue...but there is no way this would have happened as Minnesota would have vetoed this. Once it was clear the Big Ten was forming...the conference wasn't given enough time to even talk about a network. I still think the McLoed stuff is a smokescreen.

 

[Biddco]

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4four4's list addressing of McLoed's faults is pretty good...although I don't think you can say that the website and social media is rationale for quiting a conference.

The TV contract is an issue...but there is no way this would have happened as Minnesota would have vetoed this. Once it was clear the Big Ten was forming...the conference wasn't given enough time to even talk about a network. I still think the McLoed stuff is a smokescreen.

It seems that there is so much office politics behind the scenes we may never get a perfectly clear image of what was happening.

Swami and other posters called this league months ago.

I feel like it is an anti-Big Ten league. They did say how their schools are all in on their hockey programs. That their programs are the most important to their schools (something some Big Ten programs may not be able to say). Perhaps that is how they will sell the new league to recruits. "You don't want to go to the Big Ten because schools X is more concerned about another sport within the school".

Just a thought...

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I was under the impression though that once the 6th Big Ten team started hockey all the "voting" and such is really just a formality and the conference was a forgone conclusion.

It's a Big Ten rule. Can't they lobby to change their own rules? Or are they like the "Crack Baby Athletic Association" : http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s15e05-crack-baby-athletic-association (roughly 7:45 to 9:00 minute marks)

"I don't make the rules Ma'am, I just think them up and write them down." - Eric Cartman
"Can't you change the rule?" - crack mom

 

[dggoddard]

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It seems that there is so much office politics behind the scenes we may never get a perfectly clear image of what was happening.

Most things like this eventually come out in dribs and drabs down the road.

One interesting thing that came out before was that the University of Minnesota [Don & Joel] dragged their feet in bringging in Bemidji. Then some in the Minnesota legislature got physical and tied the football stadium deal to Bemidji getting in the WCHA.

 

[RMUColonials]

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It's a Big Ten rule. Can't they lobby to change their own rules?

Why would they? Makes no sense for Minny to try to force the B10 to change the rules for their hockey program, given how much their athletic department depends on the B10 money coming in.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Why would they? Makes no sense for Minny to try to force the B10 to change the rules for their hockey program, given how much their athletic department depends on the B10 money coming in.

True, but I'm sure if Michigan and Michigan State were pressed by the Michigan government to help protect WMU, FSU, LSSU and NMU it would have been alot easier to not create the B1GHC with Minny, Michigan and MSU against it.

 

[Slap Shot]

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It's a Big Ten rule. Can't they lobby to change their own rules? blah, blah, blah, blah

You're desparately trying to deflect attention away from UND. It might fool a few...

 

[The Sicatoka]

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None of this would be happening if not for the Big Ten having the "six and we go on our own" rule.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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None of this would be happening if not for the Big Ten having the "six and we go on our own" rule.

then it'd probably be Minny, Wisco, UMD, UND, CC and DU breaking away

 

[dggoddard]

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then it'd probably be Minny, Wisco, UMD, UND, CC and DU breaking away

No way would Minnesota have agreed to leave the other state schools. Minnesota was like the Godfather. They were the glue that held everything together.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Some more McLeod Moments:

Gwoz's Walk On Frozen Water at the Ralph: McLeod said that the WCHA wasn't going to punish George for communicating with his team from the press box because the league didn't have a rule against it. Uh, that's an NCAA rule. I don't think "the league" has a rule against crosschecking, either, but somehow the refs are expected to enforce it.

After the Bina-Paukovich incident: He was bemoaning the new NCAA rule on checking from behind because the refs had already called that particular penalty something like four times more than they did in the entire previous season. Probably because players were doing it. No matter. Most people would think it was a good thing that the rule was finally being enforced, but not McLeod. He resented the fact that the NCAA was forcing his officials to enforce the rule.

The fact that Don Adam still refs in the WCHA after that incident and many others is a disgrace to the league: "I just make this **** up as I go along".

After Hak's finger incident: Greg Shepherd refused to review the tapes to see what had upset Hak to the point of blowing his top.

And then there was the famous Sauer-led, WCHA-approved overturning of a major penalty called against a UW player (after the game, which is specifically not allow by the NCAA rulebook!). It was still called a major, but they changed it to a penalty that didn't involved a game suspension. How convenient.


I have this from a pretty reliable source: The coaches had quit submitting complaints about officiating to the league office because they knew nothing would happen.


I'm too lazy to post the "All is well!" scene from "Animal House" here.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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No way would Minnesota have agreed to leave the other state schools. Minnesota was like the Godfather. They were the glue that held everything together.

No way would UMD be doing this if UMTC hadn't opened the flood gate.

 

[dggoddard]

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Some more McLeod Moments:

Gwoz's Walk On Frozen Water at the Ralph: McLeod said that the WCHA wasn't going to punish George for communicating with his team from the press box because the league didn't have a rule against it. Uh, that's an NCAA rule. I don't think "the league" has a rule against crosschecking, either, but somehow the refs are expected to enforce it.

After the Bina-Paukovich incident: He was bemoaning the new NCAA rule on checking from behind because the refs had already called that particular penalty something like four times more than they did in the entire previous season. Probably because players were doing it. No matter. Most people would think it was a good thing that the rule was finally being enforced, but not McLeod. He resented the fact that the NCAA was forcing his officials to enforce the rule.

The fact that Don Adam still refs in the WCHA after that incident and many others is a disgrace to the league: "I just make this **** up as I go along".

After Hak's finger incident: Greg Shepherd refused to review the tapes to see what had upset Hak to the point of blowing his top.

I have this from a pretty reliable source: The coaches had quit submitting complaints about officiating to the league office because they knew nothing would happen.

And then there was the famous Sauer-led, WCHA-approved overturning of a major penalty called against a UW player (after the game, which is specifically not allow by the NCAA rulebook!). It was still called a major, but they changed it to a penalty that didn't involved a game suspension. How convenient.

I'm too lazy to post the "All is well!" scene from "Animal House" here.

Always fun to read "North Dakota was the screwed by the refs posts." Good times.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Always fun to read "North Dakota was the screwed by the refs posts." Good times.

I don't understand why people complain like they're the only ones ever screwed by the refs...its like the NCHC schools and Wisconsin expect the refs to be perfect when it hurts them...its not like michigan tech or SCSU has never been screwed over in a game against one of the deserters.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I don't understand why people complain like they're the only ones ever screwed by the refs...its like the NCHC schools and Wisconsin expect the refs to be perfect when it hurts them...its not like michigan tech or SCSU has never been screwed over in a game against one of the deserters.

Yeah, it's difficult to listen to sometimes. IMO, the reason why North Dakota fans have earned the reputation is that the Sioux play a more physical game than most teams, and that game style tends to take more penalties. The fans might complain the same per call, but North Dakota has tended to have more penalties called because of their style of play, and thus more complaining. Or perhaps we're all halo wearing *******s...your pick

 

[wreakingball]

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dggoddard = zero credibility

What else don't you know and when didn't you know it?

Minnesota was one of the leaders when it came to Bemidji gaining acceptance to the WCHA. We wouldn't have gotten in without them. I don't remember the legislature ever getting involved. These discussions get stupider and stupider. It all reminds me of the guy who gets caught cheating on his wife and then suddenly wants to blame her. Everyone is trying to spin it in their favor but it's all about the greed. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Yeah, it's difficult to listen to sometimes. IMO, the reason why North Dakota fans have earned the reputation is that the Sioux play a more physical game than most teams, and that game style tends to take more penalties. The fans might complain the same per call, but North Dakota has tended to have more penalties called because of their style of play, and thus more complaining. Or perhaps we're all halo wearing *******s...your pick

Well I was talking to a sports writer from Madison and he mentioned part of the reason Wisconsin was pushing so hard was they felt they were being screwed by the league and just couldn't let go of a bad call that cost them a game. I laughed and said "do they remember the time Tech got screwed out of a go ahead goal, it happens to every team, every year" It is what it is...every league struggles with refs, its not like any of them are out to specifically screw a team over. He laughed and said "I know, but that's the way they are." Half the reason they wanted out, is they will feel like they have more control, even if thats not true...