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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

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Foxton said:
How would that change the status of your ****ty source?

Oooh! Look over here, jingle keys! jingle keys!
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If your goal is to become a left-wing version of me (or Old Pio), you're doing it wrong.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
When Fox Snooze isn't used, there's a slight chance a libstain might actually read it. Perhaps, to be truly effective, knuckledraggers should figure out how to spoof "huffingtonpost". :D
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Start with this: "I swear I didn't know that very rich guy I was married to, but never had sex with, was gay."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If your goal is to become a left-wing version of me (or Old Pio), you're doing it wrong.
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Being that I have no desire to be any version of you two imbeciles, I have no issue with not doing it properly. But it's hardly surprising that you can't buy a clue.
 
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Old Pio said:
The guy was assigned to the Far East Network in Tokyo (50KW signal in the world's biggest city? Massive audience) and we both agreed that was better duty than bobbing around in the North Sea on an "oiler."
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Depends on what exactly one might have been up to. These days, if you drop in as an Ensign and have any interest in a truly viable and productive career (especially as it pertains to Naval Intel), the last thing you want to have happen is to get assigned to a carrier. The assignment to an "oiler" or "trawler" is the one everyone wants. Only one or two entry officers per ship which affords the opportunity to not only learn an immense amount in personal and rapid fashion, but it's also a very good environment in which to establish contacts and references provided one can prove himself competent. This is in stark contrast to the dreaded carrier assignment in which the Ensigns spend most of their time lined up on the rail puffing smokes because they are bored. Of course I'm generalizing a bit, but for anyone who aspires to more than pushing some payroll paperwork in Norfolk or San Diego, a first assignment on an "oiler" or "trawler" in some remote sector is a godsend compared to some of the alternatives. Of course, that's how it is now and I have no clue how things might have worked 15 years ago, but in the present context that's how it works.
 
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XYZ said:
Depends on what exactly one might have been up to. These days, if you drop in as an Ensign and have any interest in a truly viable and productive career (especially as it pertains to Naval Intel), the last thing you want to have happen is to get assigned to a carrier. The assignment to an "oiler" or "trawler" is the one everyone wants. Only one or two entry officers per ship which affords the opportunity to not only learn an immense amount in personal and rapid fashion, but it's also a very good environment in which to establish contacts and references provided one can prove himself competent. This is in stark contrast to the dreaded carrier assignment in which the Ensigns spend most of their time lined up on the rail puffing smokes because they are bored. Of course I'm generalizing a bit, but for anyone who aspires to more than pushing some payroll paperwork in Norfolk or San Diego, a first assignment on an "oiler" or "trawler" in some remote sector is a godsend compared to some of the alternatives. Of course, that's how it is now and I have no clue how things might have worked 15 years ago, but in the present context that's how it works.
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You missed my point: Tokyo is one of the world's great cities and offers GI's a cornucopia of things to do, whatever your tastes. Regardless of branch, assignment or rank. Bobbing around in the North Sea as a drafted college graduate, especially in those days, didn't offer much in the way of distraction. Yes, if you're a career oriented swabbie officer, that duty surely looks good on your record and offers experience other assignments don't. It's a little different for low ranking enlisteds. But it's still crappy when you're actually out there. Which was the only point I was making. I think of the kid who was commanding the Ward on Dec. 7th and dropped depth charges on and sank a Jap mini sub. Nice work for a young officer. But the nuances of Navy officer career ladders was not on my radar screen.*

In the AF what puts you on the fast career track is being a pilot. Career oriented officers who weren't rated used to become missile launch officers for the Minutemen. Remember in "War Games," "turn your key, sir." So we don't disagree. You just responded with good information to a point I didn't make.

*When I was assigned to AF OTS, the chaplain at the time wore gold wings. AF wings are silver. Turns out he had been a Navy dive bomber pilot in the Pacific. I can see how diving on the Yamato might turn you toward God.
 
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Kepler said:
Sounds like US tech can still beat Russian tech.
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While you're studying the latest and greatest trying to get the best solution, some asshat with a spear sneaks in and gets lucky. Don't knock low-tech. The Germans had the nifty stuff, the Russians had the low-tech stuff that worked. That and the willingness to expend gobs of manpower to achieve a goal.
 
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Old Pio said:
You missed my point: Tokyo is one of the world's great cities and offers GI's a cornucopia of things to do, whatever your tastes. Regardless of branch, assignment or rank. Bobbing around in the North Sea as a drafted college graduate, especially in those days, didn't offer much in the way of distraction. Yes, if you're a career oriented swabbie officer, that duty surely looks good on your record and offers experience other assignments don't. It's a little different for low ranking enlisteds. But it's still crappy when you're actually out there. Which was the only point I was making. I think of the kid who was commanding the Ward on Dec. 7th and dropped depth charges on and sank a Jap mini sub. Nice work for a young officer. But the nuances of Navy officer career ladders was not on my radar screen.*
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Absolutely. I didn't mean to suggest your original comment was wrong, but rather just went on a tangent as soon as I saw "oiler," as that or "trawler" always gets me going, for a variety of reasons, on the adjunct point that I made. :)
 
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XYZ said:
Absolutely. I didn't mean to suggest your original comment was wrong, but rather just went on a tangent as soon as I saw "oiler," as that or "trawler" always gets me going, for a variety of reasons, on the adjunct point that I made. :)
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Well what made Bill's assertions that it was an "oiler" hilarious was that Jane's listed it as a spy ship, like the Pueblo. Besides, if it was an oiler, what was a guy trained in Polish doing aboard? Tokyo is extremely good duty. The best transportation system in the world. Safe. You can walk around Tokyo at 2AM with zero fear of having somebody assault you. For FEN I did English language sumo play by play. Not much demand for it here. But very popular there.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
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Let's ask ourselves something: why is it that so much of our defense budget goes towards contracts with companies that have no incentive to stabilize dangerous parts of the world? Encouraging an unstable Afghanistan is good business for them (as long as they know the right lobbyists or congressmen to keep forking the contracts over to them), so why are we trusting them to help us out?
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Even a paranoiac has enemies.
 
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Foxton said:
And like Romney, you never explain how these miracles are going to happen. Perhaps it's the magic underpants.
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I believe the point is that one of them actually listened to and acted upon the warnings.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I believe the point is that one of them actually listened to and acted upon the warnings.
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Romney actually acted on warnings for something? Is that anything like how someone was protecting Alaska from the communists?
 
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