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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
End goal of regime change or not?
End goal of regime change or not?
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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
I would prefer a slow motion change of regime. One where the generals decide they'd rather protect their assets than his a*s. They would tend to be secular and resist control by Hezbollah and AQ. Authoritarian regimes generally moderate over time. You may not be old enough, but the left used barrels of ink to criticize Syngman Rhee, the first president of a free of South Korea. As is customary (then and now) they had no criticism whatsoever for the Kim family. The left demands perfection from the emerging democracies. Demanding that they be like Switzerland right out of the box. But is always, always, silent about the depredations of the communist regimes they tend to favor.
Well, all these years later and South Korea is robust, peaceful, prosperous and democratic. And North Korea is the biggest sh*t hole on the planet. A place where as recently as a few days ago the maximum leader put his girl friend up against a wall and had her executed for some presumed infraction. You will never, ever, hear a lefty say: You know, we were way wrong about Korea. Just as we've been wrong about Vietnam*, Cuba and Iran, just to name three.
*Joan Baez was a noteworthy exception to that rule, she spoke out following the horrors of the North's subjugation of the South.
I would prefer a slow motion change of regime. One where the generals decide they'd rather protect their assets than his a*s. They would tend to be secular and resist control by Hezbollah and AQ. Authoritarian regimes generally moderate over time. You may not be old enough, but the left used barrels of ink to criticize Syngman Rhee, the first president of a free of South Korea. As is customary (then and now) they had no criticism whatsoever for the Kim family. The left demands perfection from the emerging democracies. Demanding that they be like Switzerland right out of the box. But is always, always, silent about the depredations of the communist regimes they tend to favor.
Well, all these years later and South Korea is robust, peaceful, prosperous and democratic. And North Korea is the biggest sh*t hole on the planet. A place where as recently as a few days ago the maximum leader put his girl friend up against a wall and had her executed for some presumed infraction. You will never, ever, hear a lefty say: You know, we were way wrong about Korea. Just as we've been wrong about Vietnam*, Cuba and Iran, just to name three.
*Joan Baez was a noteworthy exception to that rule, she spoke out following the horrors of the North's subjugation of the South.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
Violating the bylaws of the Junior Anti-Sex League, apparently.
Violating the bylaws of the Junior Anti-Sex League, apparently.
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wow, this is pretty cool!
You've just tacitly agreed that broad-based government programs designed to promote general economic prosperity are indeed more likely to promote the general welfare than any targeted income redistribution scheme. Nice to see you have the capacity at times to be open-minded and are not always just some knee-jerk doctrinaire reactionary. 
wow, this is pretty cool!
You've just tacitly agreed that broad-based government programs designed to promote general economic prosperity are indeed more likely to promote the general welfare than any targeted income redistribution scheme. Nice to see you have the capacity at times to be open-minded and are not always just some knee-jerk doctrinaire reactionary.
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wow, this is pretty cool!
Yeah, deflect and move the goal posts. Never recognize your own cognitive dissonance that sounds exactly like Craig t. Nelson talking about food stamps.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-3-2009/moment-of-zen---craig-t--nelson-on-glenn-beck
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
The dilemma we face with Syria is very similar to the dilemma faced by someone with gangrene when modern medical care isn't available. Do you cut off the affected areas before it spreads, poisoning even more of your body?
It all goes back to that infantile "red line" comment: either take out Assad and show you seriously meant what you said, so that Iran finally might be deterred in its obsessive drive for a nuclear bomb, or concede that Iran is going to get the bomb and the world will be royally f&cked.
The dilemma we face with Syria is very similar to the dilemma faced by someone with gangrene when modern medical care isn't available. Do you cut off the affected areas before it spreads, poisoning even more of your body?
It all goes back to that infantile "red line" comment: either take out Assad and show you seriously meant what you said, so that Iran finally might be deterred in its obsessive drive for a nuclear bomb, or concede that Iran is going to get the bomb and the world will be royally f&cked.
Only a simpleton sees the world in such black and white shades. Oh, wait a minute...look who I'm quoting!
The US by law cannot take out the head of state of another country. Therefore killing Assad is a strict no-no. Furthermore, nobody wants yet another protracted ground war. Simply put, bomb the p !ss out of him to the point where he realizes its not worth gassing people anymore. Now, if that allows the rebels to gain the upper hand so be it (and one would think they'd use this as an opportunity to gain ground).
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
We're not even capable of defining the infected areas in many of these instances.
We're not even capable of defining the infected areas in many of these instances.
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Someone seems to think Tom Clancy's novels are models for diplomacy rather than a fictional reality.
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
Only a Sith deals in absolutes!
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The latest whip count shows 49 for and 199 against. Looks like it is heading for defeat in the House. Of course, anything can happen until the vote is taken...
The latest whip count shows 49 for and 199 against. Looks like it is heading for defeat in the House. Of course, anything can happen until the vote is taken...
He's more of an annoyance than anything else. I find his reaaction somewhat typical for someone presiding over a fading country. I read The Economist every week and a recurring theme is the sullen realization that England isn't the powerful country it once was. I think that applies to Russia as well. Really, the US took away the one thing (oil/natural gas) that it had going for it on the world stage.
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Presidential Executive Orders aren't law. Besides, "W" revoked them.
Presidential Executive Orders aren't law. Besides, "W" revoked them.
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Thank you for the clarification Opie. By I believe Ford's executive order which is still standing the US can't kill a head of state. I don't think Bush revoked that part of it.
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His impact with Russia is not what's at issue here. He may have the means...and it looks like the plan...to turn the international community hate filled partisanship that the US govt has turned into. If it comes to pass, the costs of that could be incalculable.
His impact with Russia is not what's at issue here. He may have the means...and it looks like the plan...to turn the international community hate filled partisanship that the US govt has turned into. If it comes to pass, the costs of that could be incalculable.
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