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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

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Our extremists don't blow up buildings because 500 years of secularism has toned down the fanaticism of religion in the West. Islamic extremists are the reductio ad absurdum of what our Santorums would wish upon us: a return to the "good old days."

Christianity already had its 16th century. We learned that tolerance and separation of church and state are requirements for a free society. That's what keeps our nutbars from strapping on the suicide vests and waddling into Bryant–Denny Stadium.

Anything that erodes that and begins a backslide towards literal religious fundamentalism is a danger to civilization.

Religion's great as long as you remember it's a metaphor. When you start heading into butterfly net territory, you're on the road to the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre.
 
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geezer said:
Because American people who are conservative are basically The Taliban. They're the same thing right? Plus I'm betting they (the American ones especially) want to start a "War Against Women" because they probably hate women right?
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Yup, that's some of the smear campaign that goes on. It's easy to attack your opponents when you dehumanize them first.
 
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So far, I find myself wishing that we had a more direct and forceful response.

Where is the reminder that US forces saved Muslim lives in Bosnia and Kurdistan?

Why is the US government even talking about the movie at all?* The US government didn't make it and the US government cant' do anything about it; so why even mention it?

Where is the reminder that the safety of diplomatic personnel is one of the greatest tools to prevent war ever developed by civilized people?

Where is the reminder that ordinary everyday Egyptians depend upon tourism for their daily living, and that they all need to stop and take a deep breath and get their priorities straight?

and finally, where is the statement in which we say "we know that a small group of organized militants are using these demonstrations as cover for acts of war against the US; and since we assume that the governments of these countries are not at war with us, they'd welcome our help sending in forces to help them track down these murderers and bring them to justice." ?


[hint: sometimes by suggesting something, you make the action itself unnecessary: note that I am NOT advocating we actually send forces, I'm saying that the threat of forces will spur the governments to act, thereby making it unnecessary for us actually to do anything directly ourselves]


* (I don't mean the initial statement from the people about to be under siege in the Egyptian embassy; their statement at the outset seemed to me a creative way to try to save their own lives and I'm fine with that; I mean the follow up statements).
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yup, that's some of the smear campaign that goes on. It's easy to attack your opponents when you dehumanize them first.
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Do tell.

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Kepler said:
Our extremists don't blow up buildings because 500 years of secularism has toned down the fanaticism of religion in the West. Islamic extremists are the reductio ad absurdum of what our Santorums would wish upon us: a return to the "good old days."

Christianity already had its 16th century. We learned that tolerance and separation of church and state are requirements for a free society. That's what keeps our nutbars from strapping on the suicide vests and waddling into Bryant–Denny Stadium.

Anything that erodes that and begins a backslide towards literal religious fundamentalism is a danger to civilization.

Religion's great as long as you remember it's a metaphor. When you start heading into butterfly net territory, you're on the road to the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre.
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So, really there's no difference, except experience, between us and them? Give them another four or five centuries and they'll evolve into Pat Robertson? Really? In the meantime, you feel quite comfortable and justified in comparing these barbarian a*sholes to Christians? As an intellectual exercise, it might be interesting to investigate if there's anything anyone can do anywhere that you wouldn't use as an occasion to bash America or Christianity or (shudder) neo-cons? So far, the answer is "no."

Your phony, pompous, anti-American pseudo-intellectualism puts you in the same category as Susan Songtag and Ward Churchill. Maybe Ambassador Stevens was a "little Eichmann." Not a good place to be, you ask me.

We have an American ambassdor murdered, his body dragged through the streets, and three other diplomatic personnel murdered as well. We have numerous diplomatic missions attacked. And the first response by His Failedness' minions is to apologize? Oh sure, later, His Weakduckness and his pasty faced SecState got around to saying (through clenched teeth) "of course we support the First Amendment." And your first instinct is to suggest the barbarians who did this are pretty much like Billy Graham?
 
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1. A religion is established, and people are persecuted for the wild beliefs.
2. A country accepts the religion, giving it "validity".
3. More and more followers are gathered, thereby increasing power.
4. Part of the world is purged of non-believers.
5. Enlightenment.

When are the Scientologists going to start going ape? When a bunch of otters attack the world?
 
Old Pio said:
Except for the detail that the image didn't include you-know-who. I wonder why. Are they afraid? Like most of the chicken-sh*t MSM and the Obama administration? Afraid to offend people whose capacity to be offended is apparantly without limit. Recall, the Yale University Press published a book on the "Danish cartoon controversy," which didn't include the "offending" cartoons. Any chance they were afraid that some "offended" Islamist a*sholes might "spontaneously demonstrate" and drag their bodies through the streets?
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Now, now, that only happened because a feral Christian didn't do it first and that only didn't happen because of our enlightened moral contemporaries.
 
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For the last 3 plus years I've been reading on here how Obama has changed the worlds outlook toward the US, really?
 
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walrus said:
For the last 3 plus years I've been reading on here how Obama has changed the worlds outlook toward the US, really?
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Yah, they hate us more because Obama built up expectations and of course then couldn't deliver. You disappoint Americans with not meeting expectations and they vote you out (hopefully). You disappoint others around the world and things aren't so peaceful.
 
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5mn_Major said:
If one event doesn't occur without the other...then as I said, there is some responsibility.

In this case, questions remain as to whether this was just a sophisticated terror cell with rocket launchers that had nothing to do with rioting over the film.
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Not quite sure about that pesky First Amendment, are you? So tough to decide which side you're on isn't it? Murderous barbarians or microscopically insignificant Christian "ministers." Think it over and let us know.
 
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There is zero blood on the hands of the filmmaker. He may be a first-class prick, but he's not the guy who pulled the trigger on American citizens.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
There is zero blood on the hands of the filmmaker. He may be a first-class prick, but he's not the guy who pulled the trigger on American citizens.
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Not to mention the fact these a*sholes haven't seen the "movie". They're too busy p*ssing in the streets, stoning women and beheading apostates. The only good Islamist is a dead Islamist.

It's my understanding a panel of libstains on MSNBC agreed that there should be some sort of investigation of the people responsible for the "movie," with an eye toward criminal charges. All these years libstains have been posing as believers in and supporters of the First Amendment. But they want to put people in prison for making a "movie" Islamo-facists don't like. I wonder if they would have taken the same position about Chaplin's "The Great Dictator". Pretty sure supporters of the real "Adenoid Hynkel" were offended.
 
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The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that the most effective response to these pseudo-riots being used as cover by professional agitators throughout the Arab world would be something like this:

> The safety of embassy personnel is an essential principle of global governmental cooperation. We ask all nations who believe in negotiation to join us in loudly condemning physical violence against embassy personnel and embassy buildings.
> International law recognizes the interior of an embassy as sovereign territory of the country whose embassy it it
> an attack on our sovereign territory is seen as an attack on us
> if you are angry and upset with us, demonstrate, chant, call us names, burn our flags across the street from the embassy, hang people in effigy, do whatever you want, we don't care, as long as you leave the embassy and its people alone
> we assume that the governments of these countries are not at war with us, and we sympathize with them that professional agitators are organizing these crowds as cover for more nefarious deeds
> Ideally we would like to send in our own forces; however, we also want to respect the difficult situation each government faces
> we also recognize that no individual government really has the stomach to use its own troops against its own people to defend an international diplomatic ideal
> we respectfully suggest that all the governments combine to form a cooperative armed force, and each country sends some troops to every other country, so no one country's troops have to face its own people yet all embassies are protected collectively by all of the governments in the region.
> failing that, of course, we reserve the right to protect our own; fortunately for all involved we trust it won't be necessary
> after all, these professional agitators in the long run are a bigger threat to your governments than they are to us!
 
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FreshFish said:
The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that the most effective response to these pseudo-riots being used as cover by professional agitators throughout the Arab world would be something like this:

> The safety of embassy personnel is an essential principle of global governmental cooperation. We ask all nations who believe in negotiation to join us in loudly condemning physical violence against embassy personnel and embassy buildings.
> International law recognizes the interior of an embassy as sovereign territory of the country whose embassy it it
> an attack on our sovereign territory is seen as an attack on us
> if you are angry and upset with us, demonstrate, chant, call us names, burn our flags across the street from the embassy, hang people in effigy, do whatever you want, we don't care, as long as you leave the embassy and its people alone
> we assume that the governments of these countries are not at war with us, and we sympathize with them that professional agitators are organizing these crowds as cover for more nefarious deeds
> Ideally we would like to send in our own forces; however, we also want to respect the difficult situation each government faces
> we also recognize that no individual government really has the stomach to use its own troops against its own people to defend an international diplomatic ideal
> we respectfully suggest that all the governments combine to form a cooperative armed force, and each country sends some troops to every other country, so no one country's troops have to face its own people yet all embassies are protected collectively by all of the governments in the region.
> failing that, of course, we reserve the right to protect our own; fortunately for all involved we trust it won't be necessary
> after all, these professional agitators in the long run are a bigger threat to your governments than they are to us!
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Well done. I would only add one clause: "And when the Hellfire missiles begin to come down like raindrops at a picnic, you'll know who to blame."
 
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