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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

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Shirtless Guy said:
So using the economist stats (19 years of data), you want to claim red/blue based on a 2012 election. That makes so much sense. Not to mention you were previously spouting a lie, but who cares about facts now that I've actually dug into the matter.
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Brainless guy, I realize you got caught red handed and are now trying to spin to save face, but all I did was add a couple of states on both sides based on a longer trend. Pardon me for looping in a larger data set. Makes me wonder what you do for a living, but I'm guessing it doesn't involve analysis. Furthermore, over the last 20 years, how many truly swing states are there? I can't think of one of the donor states that's split 3/3 from 1992-2012 so the analysis holds. In fact I'm not sure any state in the union has split the last 6 elections but I'll check.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
so based on those two sources where did you come up with Texas as the only red state not getting its money back?

economist says that Nebraska, Texas, Georgia and Arkansas all pay in more (1990-2009)
wikipedia says that Nebraska, Texas, Arkansa, North Carolina and Georgia all pay in more (2007)
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Found it! From Reason magazine:

"We hear it all the time: Red states are for limited government; blue states are for heavy spending. While this may be true when it comes to broad political preferences, it’s false as measured by patterns of federal spending.

When you compare the 50 laboratories of democracy after sorting them based on how their citizens voted in November 2008, only 10 Democratic-voting states are net recipients of federal subsidies, as opposed to 22 Republican states. Only one red state (Texas) is a net payer of federal taxes, as opposed to 16 blue states. One blue state (Rhode Island) pays as much as it gets."

http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/14/the-redblue-paradox

Apology accepted.
 
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Rover said:
Found it! From Reason magazine:

"We hear it all the time: Red states are for limited government; blue states are for heavy spending. While this may be true when it comes to broad political preferences, it’s false as measured by patterns of federal spending.

When you compare the 50 laboratories of democracy after sorting them based on how their citizens voted in November 2008, only 10 Democratic-voting states are net recipients of federal subsidies, as opposed to 22 Republican states. Only one red state (Texas) is a net payer of federal taxes, as opposed to 16 blue states. One blue state (Rhode Island) pays as much as it gets."

http://reason.com/archives/2011/07/14/the-redblue-paradox

Apology accepted.
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Reason Magazine?, that's widely read periodical :D
 
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I love this. Pick at the details because you don't want to face the facts. Blue states are paying for red states.

walrus said:
Reason Magazine?, that's widely read periodical :D
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You may not know it but its one of the widely read sites on the net. At about a 2,000th US ranking, it smokes websites of the ACC, the SEC and the B1G.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I love this. Pick at the details because you don't want to face the facts. Blue states are paying for red states.



You may not know it but its one of the widely read sites on the net. At about a 2,000th US ranking, it smokes websites of the ACC, the SEC and the B1G.
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Wow, a 2000th ranking. Who would have thought it was such a widely read publication. I wonder where the Bangor Daily news ranks?
 
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Now I see how panties have ended up in a bunch. Maine is also a welfare state:

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5mn_Major said:
Ouch. Post 28,881 was a zinger.
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Next time you get shot at can you catch some video of it and post it on youtube?

Edit: Appear to have quoted deleted post. Ah well.
 
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Ouch. Post 8,268 was a zinger.
 
5mn_Major said:
Since 1/25, nine of your last ten posts have had to do with me.

You're an effin weird dude.
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Once your video is posted you should link to it here. You know what would be really neat? Is if you side mounted a Go-Pro on the front right fender of your Audi and captured some time lapse footage of the bullet itself as it streaked down 394 and ripped a hole through your dashboard. What would be even better would be a secondary interior mounted cam that we could cut to and track the bullet as it just missed the milky white flesh of your inner wet thigh all while you leap out of the way while maintaining bluetooth contact with a serbian client so as to ironclad stamp your most recent land swap deal. We could probably then easily hold a post commute presser. kare 11 would probably show up. You'd be lauded for not only being a true hero of the morning commute, but also for not being a personal economic sink. I figure we'll drop some color coded map behind you for emphasis. Im talking lighting umbrellas and the whole works. You in?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Now I see how panties have ended up in a bunch. Maine is also a welfare state:

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Its also a blue state, go figure

Make sure you dodge those bullets this morning
 
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Rover said:
As I make more money than the average person, sure, but the only problem is how to you parse out law enforcement for example? While we could all arm ourselves we'd still need to investigate crime, maintain jails, etc. Under the state's contribution is capped at say 101% of what it gets back rule, you don't run into the problems your plan does, but you still fund a functioning society. Essentually things that are a collective responsibility (national defense for example) have to be fairly distributed (shipbuilding in Maine, Air Force in CO, Army in NY, etc etc). Not sure how what you're advocating accomplishes that.
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For the record, I didn't advocate any "plan". The idea to eliminate all income taxes is the logical outcome of your stupid idea that everyone who pays in should get back exactly the same amount in benefits for which they paid in order to be "fair". It's just a technique of illustrating the absurdity of your argument ("reductio ad rover stupidio", in Latin) Even in this paragraph above, advocating both sides of the same issue at once shows that you haven't thought your position all the way through. Go back for remedial instruction from the smart people.
BOOM
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Shak-a-lak :mad:?

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That explains a lot! Same nonsensical arguments and just-been-in-solitary-confinement-for-6-months anger! :D

Now that I've reinforced the notion with facts that blue states are subsidizing red states, likes give righty posters time to admit that while we the rest of us move on.

I don't get the angst over the current budget deals. Particularly out of my liberal cousins. There's been a lot of whining about how spending cuts are 4:1 vs tax hikes. That's all well and good, but missing in that analysis is that half the spending cuts are from the bloated defense department. It gets a little tricky as reduced debt payments count as part of the total reductions, but from my count you have 700Bn in tax hikes, so 2.8T in spending cuts on a 4 to 1 ratio to give 3.5T. Rest to get to 4T is debt payment cuts. Of that 2.8T at least half is military spending, probably a little more as proportionately that's the biggest non-entitlement line item. So by my count you've achieved relative parity in who's priorities for deficit reduction are being met. In a functioning democracy, you get tradeoffs in a shared power arrangement like we have now. For the first time in who knows how long conservatives have signed off on upper income tax hikes and defense cuts. What exactly should I be PO'd about again?

Now what I would like to see is getting rid of the low hanging fruit in the corporate tax code. Get rid of oil/Ag subsidies, carried interest, etc. On the entitlement side, enact tort reform, allow Medicare to bargain for prescription drugs, etc. Congress can bang out some easy wins here without actually causing any pain to the public. A so-called Grand Bargain I don't see happening but really with very little effort the country can achieve half what it needs to balance the budget with improved growth taking care of the rest.
 
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