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The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

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Interesting stats in this article about gun violence in the US, I'm sure Rover will love this article :)
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...-republican-problem-its-a-democratic-problem/

While Rover's there, Rover can help stop the Witch Hunt against Michelle Bachmann, meet Michelle Bachmann at a paid retreat, get the latest news on the Jihad Watch, and buy "Black Skin Privilege." That should tell you everything you need to know about the site and article.
 
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While Rover's there, Rover can help stop the Witch Hunt against Michelle Bachmann, meet Michelle Bachmann at a paid retreat, get the latest news on the Jihad Watch, and buy "Black Skin Privilege." That should tell you everything you need to know about the site and article.
So are you saying the stats are wrong?
 
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"A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families."
--Jeffrey E. via FB
 
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I can't remember the television show, there was a scene in which a guy went into a bar to rob it and he pulled a gun on the bartender and said, "give me all your money."

There was a clicking noise, and the putative robber turned around and saw about 40 guns all trained on him. He had tried to rob a cop bar.

Needless to say, no gun violence in that bar on that day.



A relative by marriage used to be with the DEA. When they went to make arrests, they always showed up with overwhelming force, way more agents than you might think would be necessary. Since none of them wanted to be shot at, they wanted plenty of extra support so that the perps wouldn't even think of trying anything.


A crazy guy with a finely-honed sharp sword also can do a lot of damage in a short time to defenseless people in close quarters. It's the crazy part that's the bigger problem, not so much the weapon used by the crazy.
 
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So are you saying the stats are wrong?

No, just skipping to the "change the subject" step early.

If a site noted for being conservative or liberal posted the daily temperature, the other party would attack it as biased and flawed and then bring up taxes, entitlements or some other issue to shift the dialog, shape the argument or whatever the current catchphrase is for the old "hey, look over there".

When every single thing you read has to pass through the filter of what your political part allows you to believe or support, I don't see how people learn anything new...it is all about reinforcing what they already believe in and attacking anybody that suggests anything other.

I'm on record on here as being pro-gun control and but I can still read that article and learn things I didn't know to help me understand how I would address the problem.

The article totally ignores the issues with mass killings, gun shows, assault weapons etc. but anybody wishing to reduce gun violence in this country, unless they only want to reduce the amount of white movie goers or students being killed, should be able to find something of merit in the data, even if they ignore the editorials about marriage etc.

I don't know the degree to which the "gangs supporting politicians" line of thought is accurate. I assume the vote by Obama on the gun measure in Chicago was an accurate reporting of what he did in that instance.

But demonstrating that politicians would swallow any issue or stance to get votes is nothing new to me...I may not know the issue or the vote but show me a case where a politician completely sold out their integrity and I won't fall out of my chair. No matter which politician or which party. They all do it.
 
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Happy Gun Appreciation Day to all of the political posters! :D

A great day, indeed!
 
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"A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.
You and everyone who try to use massacres like that as a warcry for more guns are disgusting.

Interesting stats in this article about gun violence in the US, I'm sure Rover will love this article :)
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreen...-republican-problem-its-a-democratic-problem/
Ya know the crazy might be interesting, if there was one actual source for any figure listed.
 
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You and everyone who try to use massacres like that as a warcry for more guns are disgusting.


Ya know the crazy might be interesting, if there was one actual source for any figure listed.

Kind of a punch in the gut of your tiny little worldview, isn't it? I don't blame you for getting upset. Sometimes self reflection is hard, but still worthwhile. Stick it out. Read a little history.
 
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Kind of a punch in the gut of your tiny little worldview, isn't it? I don't blame you for getting upset. Sometimes self reflection is hard, but still worthwhile. Stick it out. Read a little history.
What kind of stupid pills are you taking?
 
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Try to go a little deeper, ask yourself, "why does this information make me feel angry?"
What makes me angry is trying to paint anything that was done to Native Americans like it's in anyway comparable to what the poor gun owners of today are going through just because they may not be able to purchase a certain type of weapon. But I'll definitely be on your side when you start getting forcibly relocated across country on foot.
 
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What makes me angry is trying to paint anything that was done to Native Americans like it's in anyway comparable to what the poor gun owners of today are going through just because they may not be able to purchase a certain type of weapon. But I'll definitely be on your side when you start getting forcibly relocated across country on foot.

Don't stop him, he's on a roll.
 
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I think gun owners should be allowed to shoot other gun owners...let Darwin sort it out. If they injure non-gun owners though they get castrated and thrown in a vat of salt water.

To be real for a second...the Native American comparison is by far one of the dumbest things ever said. There is actually no way to convey how stupid it is except to say the only thing dumber I have heard this week is the ATF saying it is not necessarily illegal to sell a gun to a drunk person.
 
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I think gun owners should be allowed to shoot other gun owners...let Darwin sort it out. If they injure non-gun owners though they get castrated and thrown in a vat of salt water.
Another unfortunate side affect of guns. That's why there should be posted hunting death zones...so the average person won't go there.
 
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Another unfortunate side affect of guns. That's why there should be posted hunting death zones...so the average person won't go there.
This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. I can't believe I have to share a planet with these people. :rolleyes:
 
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Another unfortunate side affect of guns. That's why there should be posted hunting death zones...so the average person won't go there.
Do you know how many business reorganizations are accomplished through "hunting accidents"?
 
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This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. I can't believe I have to share a planet with these people. :rolleyes:

If hunters want to shoot where hunters are...feel free. Enter Darwin. On the other hand, most camping families don't want hunters shooting near their kids. I wouldn't expect those who get their thrills from shooting guns to understand this.
 
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