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The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

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Rover said:
Ummmm....yes Flaggy. While I don't like filibusters for judicial nominees to lower courts either, the stakes are a lot, lot lower than a debt default and only a total, complete, drooling idiot wouldn't see the difference.
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A run-up debt and encouraging trillion dollar deficits is better than a judicial nominee?
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
A run-up debt and encouraging trillion dollar deficits is better than a judicial nominee?
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Defaulting on the debt and sending the world into a recession vs holding up a judicial nominee? And you wonder why Obama's the 1st Prez to hit 51% of the vote in both his elections since Eisenhower. Look no further than the idiots in the opposition.

Hey, maybe this default does need to happen. Anything that brings about the extinction of knuckledragger conservatism can't be all that bad in the long run...:D
 
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Rover said:
Defaulting on the debt and sending the world into a recession vs holding up a judicial nominee? And you wonder why Obama's the 1st Prez to hit 51% of the vote in both his elections since Eisenhower. Look no further than the idiots in the opposition.

Hey, maybe this default does need to happen. Anything that brings about the extinction of knuckledragger conservatism can't be all that bad in the long run...:D
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Reagan didn't win two landslides. Gotcha.

Also, I love how you think we're going to default. We'll still pay our creditors. There's enough cash for that. Your entitlement pet projects won't get funded, though.
 
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Rover said:
Priceless beat me to it, but it bears repeating. You're on the spot Bill. Show me where the Dems held up a debt ceiling vote with a filibuster. If the GOP allows a vote but votes against it, that's one thing. If they block the vote as expected, they deserve a charge of Treason.
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You said nothing about filibusters in the post I responded to. You simply said that Dems never refused to raise the debt limit for Bush II, whereas their vote indicates that in fact none of them voted to raise it.
 
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Bill said:
You said nothing about filibusters in the post I responded to. You simply said that Dems never refused to raise the debt limit for Bush II, whereas their vote indicates that in fact none of them voted to raise it.
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Yes, but they allowed a vote on it. They didn't throw a hissyfit and threaten to take the economy hostage if they didn't get their way. Are the current batch of Republicans going to allow a vote? And while you can say none of the Dems voted to raise it, plenty of Republicans did. Wonder what caused them to oppose it now....
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Reagan didn't win two landslides. Gotcha.

Also, I love how you think we're going to default. We'll still pay our creditors. There's enough cash for that. Your entitlement pet projects won't get funded, though.
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Yeah, when paychecks stop being sent, that's not paying our creditors. Or do you not think we owe people for services rendered?

walrus said:
The same Reason Obama opposed it back then?
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The difference between current GOP obstructionism on this and past opposition (on both sides) is that the past opposition put up token resistance in order to earn political points, nothing more. They always made sure it passed without any doubt. Actually threatening default is simply asinine.
 
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walrus said:
The same Reason Obama opposed it back then?
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I already said Coburn is the only one in the Senate whose position has remained consistent. And again I'll point out that the Democrats did not filibuster even though they could have...
 
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Priceless said:
I already said Coburn is the only one in the Senate whose position has remained consistent. And again I'll point out that the Democrats did not filibuster even though they could have...
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The Democrats have also proven that they can't be fiscally responsible. If they were, the by-the-year deficit would be down to at the most $700B by now. The last I checked, we're having trillion-dollar-a-year deficits still. If it takes "hostage-taking knuckledraggers" to make the left understand that spending into oblivion is an unacceptable example to be setting for the constituents who put their trust into the left, so be it. If you've ever cut up your 15-year-old daughter's credit cards because she has been overspending on clothes, it's no different.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
The Democrats have also proven that they can't be fiscally responsible. If they were, the by-the-year deficit would be down to at the most $700B by now. The last I checked, we're having trillion-dollar-a-year deficits still. If it takes "hostage-taking knuckledraggers" to make the left understand that spending into oblivion is an unacceptable example to be setting for the constituents who put their trust into the left, so be it. If you've ever cut up your 15-year-old daughter's credit cards because she has been overspending on clothes, it's no different.
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The debt ceiling isn't the credit card, its the willingness to put the check for the bill in the mail.
 
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unofan said:
The debt ceiling isn't the credit card, its the willingness to put the check for the bill in the mail.
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The debt ceiling is the credit limit. As for putting the check in the mail, there's never been an issue with that, it's merely the address that receives the check. In addition, they still continue to add entitlement spending. That's the problem.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
The Democrats have also proven that they can't be fiscally responsible. If they were, the by-the-year deficit would be down to at the most $700B by now. The last I checked, we're having trillion-dollar-a-year deficits still. If it takes "hostage-taking knuckledraggers" to make the left understand that spending into oblivion is an unacceptable example to be setting for the constituents who put their trust into the left, so be it. If you've ever cut up your 15-year-old daughter's credit cards because she has been overspending on clothes, it's no different.
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Ummm..Flaggy, who voted to authorize that spending again? Oh, that's right, Republicans. So they don't want to pay the bills they've already voted to spend. You can't go that, although from your attitude on this you sound like the guy who runs up 10 credit cards and buys 5 houses that he's trying to flip, then tries to declare bankrupcy when the bills start coming due.
 
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unofan said:
No, it really isn't. That you think so means you either don't get it or are being a disingenuous partisan hack.
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No, it really is. That you don't think so means you either don't get it or are a fiscally irresponsible teenager who doesn't understand the concept of limited resources.
 
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Rover said:
Ummm..Flaggy, who voted to authorize that spending again? Oh, that's right, Republicans. So they don't want to pay the bills they've already voted to spend. You can't go that, although from your attitude on this you sound like the guy who runs up 10 credit cards and buys 5 houses that he's trying to flip, then tries to declare bankrupcy when the bills start coming due.
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Quite the opposite, actually; I am fairly stingy when it comes to money and only spend within my means. You should know by now that I do not hold water for either major party in Congress. Once you step back from the religious-like overtones of political parties and begin to think for yourself, you start to understand what is important for the country, and then we can start having some discussions on solutions. Until that time, you will remain on my ignore list.
 
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You know what this p*ssing fest sounds like? A spendaholic wife and a husband who refused to pay the credit cards when they come calling for money. It's a matrimony made in hell between these two parties.

I hate this country's politicians.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
You know what this p*ssing fest sounds like? A spendaholic wife and a husband who refused to pay the credit cards when they come calling for money. It's a matrimony made in hell between these two parties.

I hate this country's politicians.
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Well put. :) And of course, the voice of reason gets shouted out.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
You know what this p*ssing fest sounds like? A spendaholic wife and a husband who refused to pay the credit cards when they come calling for money. It's a matrimony made in hell between these two parties.

I hate this country's politicians.
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You might hate them, but they get returned to office on a regular basis. Stop blaming them, and look in the mirror.
 
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