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The 2022 Pairwise Predictor is live!

ARM said:
Hard to avoid intraconference matchups when almost half the bracket is ECAC.

Ever since Wisconsin started looking wobbly, I've been convinced that Minnesota is destined to host a quarter of the bracket that includes Wisconsin and UMD. So the "new" NCAA Tournament will look a lot like the "old" NCAA Tournament, with just more of it.

The committee will be quite bummed that they can't give Northeastern any retread matchups. Great strategy by the Huskies. Sort of like occupying Australia in a game of Risk and people forget that you're there. Maybe UVM/UConn will knock them off in the HEA final so the committee can put them in a bracket with two teams ranked outside the Top 10 at this point; although, somebody likely takes Clarkson's spot at this point. A bracket with Syracuse and UVM/UConn sounds perfect, so NU can show up at the FF and we still don't know anything about them.
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I believe Clarkson gets in as the 10th seed as long as:
1) Northeastern wins Hockey East
2) The NEWHA Champ does not qualify.
3) Minn State does not win WCHA
4) SLU or Prinny do not win the ECAC

Clarkson in their last 10 games has been held to 1 goal 5 times, shut out 1 time and scored 3 goals in one game; all against the teams ahead of them in the ECAC regular season standings. They scored 19 goals in 3 games against the 3 teams below them in the standings. If they get into the NC$$ Tourney, one goal ain't gonna cut it.
 
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vicb said:
I believe Clarkson gets in as the 10th seed as long as:
1) Northeastern wins Hockey East
2) The NEWHA Champ does not qualify.
3) Minn State does not win WCHA
4) SLU or Prinny do not win the ECAC
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Sorry, I was talking about the voters and polls at that point. Poorly clarified reference on my part. I realize that the gap between #10 and those below is sizable in the PWR.
 
IN the following scenario:

NE beats Vermont
Ohio State Beats Minn
Yale beats Colgate

The predictor has Minn Duluth in 8th with an RPI of .58589 and Harvard in 9th with an RPI of .58669.

Should Harvard be in 8th and Duluth in 9th due to the RPI numbers?
 
vicb said:
IN the following scenario:

NE beats Vermont
Ohio State Beats Minn
Yale beats Colgate

The predictor has Minn Duluth in 8th with an RPI of .58589 and Harvard in 9th with an RPI of .58669.

Should Harvard be in 8th and Duluth in 9th due to the RPI numbers?
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I'm seeing UMD with a higher RPI on mine -- do you have something input wrong?

Even so, UMD is 2-0-0 against Harvard this year, and since they have no common opponents, UMD cannot lose the comparison against Harvard. So if the two teams are ranked next to each other, UMD will be the higher of the two.
 
TonyTheTiger20 said:
Even so, UMD is 2-0-0 against Harvard this year, and since they have no common opponents, UMD cannot lose the comparison against Harvard. So if the two teams are ranked next to each other, UMD will be the higher of the two.
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UMD played SLU and won in OT. You've said that an OT win is as good as a regulation win when it comes to COp, so UMD would be okay. If it only counted 2/3, then the 'Dogs would be in trouble, because Harvard took 75% of the points versus the Saints.
 
Wisconsin can get to #4 even without beating Ohio State, if:

- Princeton beats Quinnipiac in the ECAC final, and
- Lindenwood wins the CHA
- (the rest at defaults)

Keep hope alive!
 
robertearle said:
Wisconsin can get to #4 even without beating Ohio State, if:

- Princeton beats Quinnipiac in the ECAC final, and
- Lindenwood wins the CHA
- (the rest at defaults)

Keep hope alive!
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Good luck with that one; you may as well look at the scenarios where UW didn't tie SCSU, etc.
 
TonyTheTiger20 said:
Even so, UMD is 2-0-0 against Harvard this year, and since they have no common opponents, UMD cannot lose the comparison against Harvard. So if the two teams are ranked next to each other, UMD will be the higher of the two.
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Unless there's a 3-way tie in number of comparisons won, between Harvard, UMD, and a team that beats UMD but loses to Harvard.
 
TonyTheTiger20 said:
They actually didn't put any guidance on this in the pre-champs manual, weirdly. You would think it would be 1v8/9, 2v7/10, 3v6/11, 4v5, but they could also try to avoid intraconference matchups in that round or (oh boy) reduce flights. But, it was not put in there.
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Watts I'm wondering is do the 8/9 teams play at the 1 school, then play the 1 school the next day? Or does the 9 play at 8 one weekend, then the following weekend the winner travels where ever?
 
Timothy A said:
Watts I'm wondering is do the 8/9 teams play at the 1 school, then play the 1 school the next day? Or does the 9 play at 8 one weekend, then the following weekend the winner travels where ever?
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There aren't enough weekends to do that. NCAA Frozen Four is March 18 and 20.

March 4-6 are conference finals.
March 11-13 - whittle down to four teams.
March 18, 20 - semi-finals, championship.

I can't imagine having 8-vs-9 (for example) playing in one location, then making the winner travel to play #1. The only way they could do that is if they played the 8-vs-9 mid-week, and even then, it'd be hard on the team having to play the second game.

One thing I can imagine them doing in giving a day off in-between. They did that all rounds of the NCAA volleyball tournament this year. So Thursday-Saturday or Friday-Sunday at the three sites.
 
Can someone tell us how this thing works. If #1 thru 5 get byes, where and most important when do the #6 thru #11 teams play and then those 3 winners go to play with #1 thru #5 in a one and done quarterfinal.
 
ARM said:
UMD played SLU and won in OT. You've said that an OT win is as good as a regulation win when it comes to COp, so UMD would be okay. If it only counted 2/3, then the 'Dogs would be in trouble, because Harvard took 75% of the points versus the Saints.
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Yes you're right, thanks -- missed that game! But yeah, same end result where UMD can't lose that comparison.

robertearle said:
Dang it! I assumed that because the predictor was letting me change those, the games were yet to be played.
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Ah yeah I prefilled the results that went final but didn't lock any fields down or anything in case someone wanted to play a littlee ̶W̶h̶a̶t̶ Watt If.

Timothy A said:
Watts I'm wondering is do the 8/9 teams play at the 1 school, then play the 1 school the next day? Or does the 9 play at 8 one weekend, then the following weekend the winner travels where ever?
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vicb said:
Can someone tell us how this thing works. If #1 thru 5 get byes, where and most important when do the #6 thru #11 teams play and then those 3 winners go to play with #1 thru #5 in a one and done quarterfinal.
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The first round games (8/9, 7/10, and 6/11) are going to be played at the site of the #1, #2, and #3 seeds. So, something like Friday 8 vs 9 at Ridder, and then Saturday 8 vs 1 also at Ridder. The only thing we aren't sure of is exactly which pair (i.e. 8/9) they are going to send to the #1, which to the #2, and which to the #3.

You would expect the 8/9 to play at #1, the 7/10 to play at #2, and the 6/11 to play at #3, but they didn't spell that part out in the handbook.

They did explicitly say that the #5 seed will play at the #4 seed. They won't host a third team.
 
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Thanks for the info TTT. So if all of the higher seeds win throughout the Conf Playoffs per the Pairwise Predictor I think the NC$$ Tourney would look like this:

1 Minnesota Plays Winner of 8 Minn Duluth Vs 9 Harvard Giguere gets one more shot at Harvard (her last game against them she scored 4 goals)
2 Ohio State Plays Winner of 7 Quinny Vs 10 Clarkson Repeat of ECAC Quarterfinal (Quinny has taken 3 of 4 from Clarkson)
3 Northeastern Plays Winner of 6 Wisconsin Vs 11 Syracuse
4 Yale Plays 5 Colgate Repeat of ECAC Championship
 
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vicb said:
Thanks for the info TTT. So if all of the higher seeds win throughout the Conf Playoffs per the Pairwise Predictor I think the NC$$ Tourney would look like this:

1 Minnesota Plays Winner of 8 Minn Duluth Vs 9 Harvard Giguere gets one more shot at Harvard (her last game against them she scored 4 goals)
2 Ohio State Plays Winner of 7 Quinny Vs 10 Clarkson Repeat of ECAC Quarterfinal (Quinny has taken 3 of 4 from Clarkson)
3 Northeastern Plays Winner of 6 Wisconsin Vs 11 Syracuse
4 Yale Plays 5 Colgate Repeat of ECAC Championship
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The committee would actually change this around as they did say they are going to avoid intra-conference matchups in the first round if at all possible. So I think they would probably swap Clarkson and Syracuse.

EDIT: Note that they would NOT swap #4 or #5 in this case as they said explicitly that they will not move the #4 and #5 if they are in the same conference (which makes sense; someone would get disproportionately screwed if they moved either one into a different spot):

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Here's a link to the pre-champs manual if anyone's interested. Good info in there.
 
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vicb said:
Thanks for the info TTT. So if all of the higher seeds win throughout the Conf Playoffs per the Pairwise Predictor I think the NC$$ Tourney would look like this:

1 Minnesota Plays Winner of 8 Minn Duluth Vs 9 Harvard Giguere gets one more shot at Harvard (her last game against them she scored 4 goals)
2 Ohio State Plays Winner of 7 Quinny Vs 10 Clarkson Repeat of ECAC Quarterfinal (Quinny has taken 3 of 4 from Clarkson)
3 Northeastern Plays Winner of 6 Wisconsin Vs 11 Syracuse
4 Yale Plays 5 Colgate Repeat of ECAC Championship
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Wasn't there language about being able to view the higher seeds and the three lowest seeds in the opening round as "bands" of sorts? If so, then this looks like a place where they could potentially make a swap and get rid of the ECAC vs ECAC pairing in the first round. It can't be solved by swapping Harvard and Clarkson.
 
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