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The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

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sregit47 said:
you think? The Providence IN Providence is the worst part. They're not the host -Brown is. The last AT-LARGE team in the field is rewarded with a home game, while the highest 2 seed and a 1-seed has to play in their backyard.

Miami would have been better served losing first round conference tourney, taking the rest and get to play in South Bend.

I think the calls to return first rounds back to campus are only going to get louder.
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Would you rather see Miami vs Yale in Providence or Miami vs. Providence in Providence. Those are the choices. Miami is #4 seed, so that is pretty much places them in Providence because 1,2 and 3 are placed first.
 
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Happy said:
sure, playing an easy schedule inflates players stats, and playing a really hard schedule reduces them. I would expect Eichel would have 10-15 or more points if he had played that schedule.
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per game?

eichel had 5pts playing less minutes against st thomas (bu's only "aha comparable" game on the schedule), so using that mookie will project his "more" at 80 :D
 
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clifford said:
Would you rather see Miami vs Yale in Providence or Miami vs. Providence in Providence. Those are the choices. Miami is #4 seed, so that is pretty much places them in Providence because 1,2 and 3 are placed first.
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That is a very narrow view. If Providence could be moved for "attendance" then one could see moving Miami to SB for the same purpose. MN St. is flying no matter what but a bus ride would bring many more from Oxford.

But that isn't the point is it? Providing the #1 seed some sort of reward is NOT giving them a game at what is arguably the home ice of the lowest region seed.
 
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sregit47 said:
That is a very narrow view. If Providence could be moved for "attendance" then one could see moving Miami to SB for the same purpose. MN St. is flying no matter what but a bus ride would bring many more from Oxford.

But that isn't the point is it? Providing the #1 seed some sort of reward is NOT giving them a game at what is arguably the home ice of the lowest region seed.
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the point is that Miami is the LOWEST #1 seed so they don't get the same protections the other 3 got...
 
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mookie1995 said:
per game?

eichel had 5pts playing less minutes against st thomas (bu's only "aha comparable" game on the schedule), so using that mookie will project his "more" at 80 :D
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he's good, but I think he is only a "79" good. it's not like he is going to be the number one pick.
 
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sregit47 said:
That is a very narrow view. If Providence could be moved for "attendance" then one could see moving Miami to SB for the same purpose. MN St. is flying no matter what but a bus ride would bring many more from Oxford.

But that isn't the point is it? Providing the #1 seed some sort of reward is NOT giving them a game at what is arguably the home ice of the lowest region seed.
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So, the #1 overall seed should get shipped east to protect the #4 overall seed?

As for Yale/Providence, I would much rather play PC...even in Providence. Yale is a scary team with a ton of experience.

As for Providence being on home ice, the Friars played a whopping 0 games at the Dunkin' Donuts Center this season. Not exactly what I'd call "home ice."
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
So, the #1 overall seed should get shipped east to protect the #4 overall seed?

As for Yale/Providence, I would much rather play PC...even in Providence. Yale is a scary team with a ton of experience.

As for Providence being on home ice, the Friars played a whopping 0 games at the Dunkin' Donuts Center this season. Not exactly what I'd call "home ice."
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PC did win a game in a road regional last year in Bridgeport and bring back all but 3 players from last year's squad
 
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Happy said:
sure, playing an easy schedule inflates players stats, and playing a really hard schedule reduces them. I would expect Eichel would have 10-15 or more points if he had played that schedule.
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That isn't what "objective" means.


Powers &8^]
 
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BC/HE said:
And those 2 blocks are far more dangerous to travel. If Miami is as good as they think they are, they should be thrilled to get the #15 seed instead of #13 Yale or #14 Quinnipiac that would bring much more and much louder fans than PC. Don't forget the Q is not far from Providence either. No matter what, the winner of the Providence region does not have to play either North Dakota or BU until the championship in Boston, so that is a plus as well. If anything I would say Quinnipiac got the worst deal having to go to Fargo instead of Providence instead of saying PC got the best deal.
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Key fact being ignored.

Had Denver been 4 and Miami 5. We'd still both be in Providence. Moot point.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven "Confused about them not switching Harvard and MN."

If gophers can't go to Fargo, why move them.♥(she said snidely)
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
So, the #1 overall seed should get shipped east to protect the #4 overall seed?

As for Yale/Providence, I would much rather play PC...even in Providence. Yale is a scary team with a ton of experience.

As for Providence being on home ice, the Friars played a whopping 0 games at the Dunkin' Donuts Center this season. Not exactly what I'd call "home ice."
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That was not what I said. #4 should not get home ice-- or at least 10 minutes from campus ice-- at the detriment of the #1 seed.

And don't act like this is a non-issue with a no solution needed. Just go to the front page USCHO and get these quotes from the committee.

"That does leave the Midwest Regional in South Bend, Ind., as the one region where attendance could be a major issue. Top overall seed Minnesota State will play RIT and Omaha will face Harvard in that region."

“[Moving to campus sites] is something the committee talks about every year in terms of attendance numbers,” said Fasbender. “The committee will continue to talk about it."

If attendance is the excuse then that same reason should to all levels of seeding as long as bracket integrity is observed. (i.e. They should be willing to put Miami in SB and let PC provide the attendance for the MN St game).

Like I said in the original post-- the call for on-campus first rounds is only going to grow louder due to stuff like this.
 
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sregit47 said:
That was not what I said. #4 should not get home ice-- or at least 10 minutes from campus ice-- at the detriment of the #1 seed.

And don't act like this is a non-issue with a no solution needed. Just go to the front page USCHO and get these quotes from the committee.

"That does leave the Midwest Regional in South Bend, Ind., as the one region where attendance could be a major issue. Top overall seed Minnesota State will play RIT and Omaha will face Harvard in that region."

“[Moving to campus sites] is something the committee talks about every year in terms of attendance numbers,” said Fasbender. “The committee will continue to talk about it."

If attendance is the excuse then that same reason should to all levels of seeding as long as bracket integrity is observed. (i.e. They should be willing to put Miami in SB and let PC provide the attendance for the MN St game).

Like I said in the original post-- the call for on-campus first rounds is only going to grow louder due to stuff like this.
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Remember the Providence Regional is at a neutral site just like Dayton playing in Columbus was...
 
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sregit47 said:
That was not what I said. #4 should not get home ice-- or at least 10 minutes from campus ice-- at the detriment of the #1 seed.
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Fact is, Miami is not playing on Providence's home ice. You can spin it however you'd like, but when all the players on the current team were in elementary school the last time the school played in the building...not sure how you can call that home ice.

At the end of the day, Miami was the LAST 1 seed...that means that they get the least amount of protection. The Number 1 overall seed will ALWAYS get the most protection. That's the way it should work, and it did this time. As a result, Minnesota State went to the closest regional that was open...South Bend.
 
Re: The 2015 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread

sregit47 said:
If attendance is the excuse then that same reason should to all levels of seeding as long as bracket integrity is observed. (i.e. They should be willing to put Miami in SB and let PC provide the attendance for the MN St game).
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Except when the midwest regionals were in Fort Wayne and Toledo in 2010 and 2013 having MU within an exceptionally easy driving distance did nothing to boost the crowds. Fort Wayne was bad, and Toledo was the second worst regional in the 16 team era as far as actual bodies in the arena (after the 2013 Van Andel disaster). Miami fans are fooling themselves if they think they showed up in respectable numbers. You'll never see me trying to claim my team made the place a great crowd. My idiot coach even stuck his foot in his mouth after the Toledo disaster and decried the awful atmosphere. For Sunday's regional final that year there were about 1000 people in a 7000+ seat arena.

Like I said in the original post-- the call for on-campus first rounds is only going to grow louder due to stuff like this.
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What will soon move the early rounds of this tournament back to campus sites is not one or two perceived injustices to any particular schools, it is many years of evidence that they have failed to create a "championship environment" in the two western regionals more often than not, and many of them have taken an absolute financial bath.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
What will soon move the early rounds of this tournament back to campus sites is not one or two perceived injustices to any particular schools, it is many years of evidence that they have failed to create a "championship environment" in the two western regionals more often than not, and many of them have taken an absolute financial bath.
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We will have to agree to agree on this :)

I see your Toledo experience and raise you my NH experience and the time and good money that I will never get back. Actually, that was more of an injustice as you call it.

It is not working and this year's seeding, and the lame reasoning for it, may be my last straw for me joining the 'bring it back on campus crowd'.
 
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