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The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

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Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

If we're worried about saving the NCAA some airfare, I propose these brackets

St Paul: Minnesota v NoDak // St Cloud v Mankato
Cincinnati: Miami v Robert Morris // Notre Dame v Ohio State
Bridgeport: Union v Northeastern // Quinnipiac v Providence
Worcester: Boston College v Vermont // Lowell v Colgate

Sorry Denver, Ferris and Wisconsin...you'd have to fly and the NCAA can't afford that.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

1. I see UVM staying east and North Dakota in Cincincnati.
2. Moy's brackets are set for UML/BC and Union/Q regional finals. Why not swap UML and Q. It's all of 114 miles. (The midwesterner scoffs at this "distance". I drive that far for a good steak.)
3. I'm surprised no one has Bobby Mo staying east and going to BC and DU going to St. Paul. (DU and UMn are no longer conference rivals.)
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Seriously guys, there is nothing in the handbook about minimizing flights. They do that for the women's tournament, not the men's.
 
The Sicatoka said:
2. Moy's brackets are set for UML/BC and Union/Q regional finals. Why not swap UML and Q. It's all of 114 miles. (The midwesterner scoffs at this "distance". I drive that far for a good steak.)
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I would love this but, again, there's nothing in the handbook directing the committee to do this.

Also I LOL'd at the steak comment haha
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

The Sicatoka said:
1. I see UVM staying east and North Dakota in Cincincnati.
2. Moy's brackets are set for UML/BC and Union/Q regional finals. Why not swap UML and Q. It's all of 114 miles. (The midwesterner scoffs at this "distance". I drive that far for a good steak.)
3. I'm surprised no one has Bobby Mo staying east and going to BC and DU going to St. Paul. (DU and UMn are no longer conference rivals.)
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Quinnipiac in Bridgeport will have like 3000 fans. I'd agree for a conference mix, but for attendance... no point.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

I think the North Dakota/Vermont switch is a no doubter. There is plenty of history to show that the NCAA will gladly move a 4 seed team around against bracket integrity to reduce a flight, aka "increase attendance," even when the bracket already has a good draw from the upper seeds. They'll happily keep Vermont out east. The fact that North Dakota/Wisconsin is a matchup that should draw at least a few more people than Wisconsin/Vermont, is a bonus that I can't see the NCAA turning down.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

considering the bracket is basically perfect, nobody should complain about one little tweak when uvm and north dakota are virtually the same in the pwr. seems to be some debate on what north dakota in cincy would do for attendance but i bet they would bring more fans than uvm, just like uvm would bring more to bridgeport.
 
Gurtholfin said:
West Region has some intriguing possibilities...

Lucia vs. Lucia or Jan vs. Marsha

Should be interesting either way.

That's assuming of course that Minny doesn't get Holy Crossed by RM.
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Of course they'll get beat. Robert Morris is just one guy. It will be worse than Holy Cross. :D
 
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Gurtholfin said:
West Region has some intriguing possibilities...

Lucia vs. Lucia or Jan vs. Marsha

Should be interesting either way.

That's assuming of course that Minny doesn't get Holy Crossed by RM.
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"Holy Cross" has been verbed. I like it!:)
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

I don't remember where this was posted, but is there something explaining the nuances in the new RPI method, I'm trying to implement it.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Not sure if anyone is interested, but CHN allows you to look at how the pairwise would have looked this year if the parameters were left alone (TUC bubble, etc.). I don't recall whether the AHA champ became a TUC once they qualified and I would guess that throws their calculations off at all, but interesting none the less.

1 Minnesota
2 Boston College
3 Union
4 Mass.-Lowell
5 Notre Dame
6 Quinnipiac
7 Colgate
8 Wisconsin
9 St. Cloud State
10 Providence
11 Ferris State
12 Minnesota State
13 Vermont
14 North Dakota
27 Denver
-- Robert Morris
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15 Cornell
16 Michigan
17 New Hampshire
18 Minnesota-Duluth
19 Northeastern
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Alright, the new RPI... does it compute the weights all the way through... i.e. is EVERY component weighted throughout? Right now I'm not jiving with USCHO and its unclear where I should test. All I did was provide an adjusted input matrix of wins/ties and games.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Are home ties worth .4 and .8 games... and road ties worth .6 and 1.2 games?

If so, that'd explain it and yuck... asymmetry...

a game is weighted

0.8 to a home team if it is a win or a tie... road team if it is a loss

1.0 for all neutral site games

1.2 to a road team if it is a win or a tie... home team if it is a loss

?

That's quite ugly.

edit: halle ****ing lujah! I finally got it to work... but its not as CHN stated... I haven't seen a USCHO statement either... a tie is split with 0.6 going to the road team and .4 to the home team.

Does anybody have the NCAA manual edict on this? Still many things to check, but now I know that part works.
 
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Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Trying to follow along with you stats guys is exhausting. I was told there would be no math.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

^^

So does that basically mean that say, if Colgate is on the road at Wisconsin, and it goes to OT, it'd be better for them to conserve the tie, and risk losing, whereas if they were home, they're almost better off going for the W (e.g. playing aggresively) than settling for the tie?
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

The cut line ended up at 14 this year. The first pairwise of the new year nailed the first eight teams in the tournament (though not in order) and scored a 65% on the whole. The first bracketology had Boston College and Minnesota as the 1 seeds in Worcester and St Paul and had Lowell and QU as 2 seeds (though not the region).

This was the Sioux Sports pairwise ranking on January 8:

1 Minnesota
2 Boston College
3 St Cloud
4 Ferris State
5 Union
6 Quinnipiac
7 Providence
8 Mass.-Lowell
9 Michigan
10 Northeastern
11 Clarkson
12 Cornell
13 New Hampshire
14 Vermont
15 Wisconsin
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16 MSU-Mankato
17 Notre Dame
18 Maine
19 Miami
20 North Dakota
21 Yale
22 Lake Superior
23 Bowling Green
24 Colgate
25 Ohio State
26 Denver
27 Minnesota-Duluth
28 Brown
29 Nebraska-Omaha
30 St Lawrence
31 Rensselaer
32 Western Michigan
33 Alaska Anchorage
34 Air Force
35 Northern Michigan
36 Alaska
37 Harvard
38 Boston University
39 Michigan Tech
40 Massachusetts
41 Mercyhurst
42 Bemidji State
43 Connecticut
44 Bentley
45 Michigan State
46 Canisius
47 Merrimack
48 RIT
49 Dartmouth
50 Penn State
51 Colorado College
52 Princeton
53 Niagara
54 Holy Cross
55 Robert Morris
56 American Int'l
57 Alabama-Huntsville
58 Sacred Heart
59 Army

Michigan was the highest-ranked team to fall out of the tournament while #24 Colgate was the lowest-ranked at large team to get invited.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Priceless said:
...Michigan was the highest-ranked team to fall out of the tournament while #24 Colgate was the lowest-ranked at large team to get invited.
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Colgate had 9 of their 13 losses by that cutoff date and Michigan had 8 of their 13 losses after that date. They were teams headed in different directions on that day.
 
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Happy said:
We will know there is a real power change to the East when the committe does two things.

1) Put all the Hockey East teams in only 3 regions so they cannot have an all Hockey East FF.

2) make sure that the East's best teams end up in a "region of death" so they knock themselves out before the FF.
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Remember this from January 8th? It looks like the committee did just that:

1a) No Hockey East teams in the Midwest Regional
1b) No ECAC teams in the West Regional

2a) UML and BC both in the Northeast Regional
2b) Union and Quinnipiac both in the East Regional.
 
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