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The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

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Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

There are still 4 scenarios where Lowell ends up the #1 seed in Cincinnati. Those are keyed by Lowell's victory over Canisius.

Canisius needs to win AHA.
Ohio State needs to defeat Wisconsin.
Mankato needs to defeat Ferris.
Denver needs to defeat Miami.
Western Michigan needs to win or tie vs North Dakota.
Colgate needs to defeat Union.
Lowell needs to defeat New Hampshire.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Priceless said:
There are still 4 scenarios where Lowell ends up the #1 seed in Cincinnati. Those are keyed by Lowell's victory over Canisius.

Canisius needs to win AHA.
Ohio State needs to defeat Wisconsin.
Mankato needs to defeat Ferris.
Denver needs to defeat Miami.
Western Michigan needs to win or tie vs North Dakota.
Colgate needs to defeat Union.
Lowell needs to defeat New Hampshire.
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what about the other way around... win hockey east and not go to cincinnati
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Patman said:
what about the other way around... win hockey east and not go to cincinnati
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Anything that isn't written in my post. Except for the beating New Hampshire part :p
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

I asked this on GPL, but this is the congregation of great Pairwise minds. If the NCHC third place game wasn't being played, how would it look for UND? Interesting to be saved by a useless game that every conference got rid of.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Bonin21 said:
I asked this on GPL, but this is the congregation of great Pairwise minds. If the NCHC third place game wasn't being played, how would it look for UND? Interesting to be saved by a useless game that every conference got rid of.
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I'm pretty sure they'd be out, and Michigan would be in (assuming all the favorites were to win). Either way, Michigan would finish ahead of North Dakota if there was no third place game.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I'm pretty sure they'd be out, and Michigan would be in (assuming all the favorites were to win). Either way, Michigan would finish ahead of North Dakota if there was no third place game.
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You could also say UND would've played with more of a must win attitude yesterday if there were no third place game, so in the end it's probably a wash.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Priceless said:
We already know the St Paul regional: Minnesota v AHA Champ // Notre Dame v St Cloud

If favorites win:
Worcester - BC v Denver // Lowell v Colgate
Bridgeport - Union v Mankato // QU v Providence
Cincinnati - Ferris v NoDak // Wisco v UVM

If all favorites win, except:
If NoDak somehow chokes away 3rd place game, replace w/ Michigan
If Ohio State wins, they replace NoDak
If UNH wins, replace NoDak with UNH
If Mankato wins, flip Wisconsin and Ferris, Mankato 3 seed in Worcester, Colgate 3 seed and UVM 4 seed in Cincinnati.

If Miami wins, they host in Cincinnati, NoDak plays BC in Worcester.
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I believe this to be correct. My reasoning (and Priceless, I assume) is that regardless of who is 5 or 6, Wisconsin are Ferris are closer to Cincy, and may bring a few fans along, so the committee would swap them to get them both there. Once that happens, this is the only bracket that reasonable falls out. Should NoDak, OSU and UNH win, then either Prov or UVM is out also, and it gets complicated to where I can't keep track in my head.
 
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Bonin21 said:
You could also say UND would've played with more of a must win attitude yesterday if there were no third place game, so in the end it's probably a wash.
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Perhaps. It could also have worked both ways. For example, if North Dakota had won last Saturday against CC (and won the series in 2 games), then they likely would have clinched had there been no 3rd place game at the Frozen Faceoff (i.e. they would have been "in" with 1 loss, but not with 2).

That being said, I thought the Sioux played well last night. Miami is just putting it together at the right time. They are not a "last place team" despite being a last place team. :)
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Bonin21 said:
You could also say UND would've played with more of a must win attitude yesterday if there were no third place game, so in the end it's probably a wash.
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Considering the situation they are in today, they should have been playing with a must win attitude yesterday.

Not sure where they'd be because QWB are determined by games played, so without this game the Whoiux would have a slightly higher QWB. They only have 2 quality wins, but they are also only behind by .0011 RPI points going into the day. More than likely, they would be out.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

J.D. said:
true, would be interesting to see. i mean 20 minutes or whatever it is shouldn't matter to union but i wonder if they take into consideration where union has more alums. if there was a significant competitive disadvantage by keeping union in bridgeport i could understand.
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Major competitive disadvantage in Bridgeport since Quinnipiac will likely be there and the place will be packed with Bobcats fans...
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

UND winning 4-0 with 5 min left as I type. The Doomsday Scenario is still in play for the committee:

If all 4 of these things happen:
Mankato, UNH, Wisc, Miami all win (obviously about a 1 in 16 chance),

Then the 4 seeds are Vermont, UNH, Miami and the AHA Champ. What does the committee do? Miami has to be at Cincinnati. Vermont and UNH are both HEA teams, so it appears BC can't play them. Minnesota should get the AHA Champ, but then what of BC?

Options:
1 - BC goes to Cincy to play Miami. Yuccckkk......
2- AHA Champ plays BC, Minny plays Vermont or UNH. Yuccckkkk for Minny.......
3- Since BC, Lowell, Prov, Verm, UNH, NoDame are all in, that is 6 teams from HEA, the committee invokes the 5-team rule, and BC plays UNH in Worcester.

How would you like to choose among them?
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Numbers said:
Options:
1 - BC goes to Cincy to play Miami. Yuccckkk......
2- AHA Champ plays BC, Minny plays Vermont or UNH. Yuccckkkk for Minny.......
3- Since BC, Lowell, Prov, Verm, UNH, NoDame are all in, that is 6 teams from HEA, the committee invokes the 5-team rule, and BC plays UNH in Worcester.

How would you like to choose among them?
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In 2003 the committee made #1 Cornell play #13 Mankato because the WCHA had two 1 seeds and two 4 seeds. I would expect the committee to follow suit and make #1 Minnesota play #14 New Hampshire.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Priceless with NoDak's win, how many/which scenarios would move Colgate to Cincinnati instead of Worcester?
 
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What it looks like: If OSU or UHN win, NoDak is out. If both win, Providence is out. The Friars were 98%+ on Thursday.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

hockeyenthusiast said:
Priceless with NoDak's win, how many/which scenarios would move Colgate to Cincinnati instead of Worcester?
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Easiest is all favorites win, or all favorites + Colgate to stay in Worcester.
 
Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

Priceless said:
What it looks like: If OSU or UHN win, NoDak is out. If both win, Providence is out. The Friars were 98%+ on Thursday.
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If New Hampshire wins, North Dakota is out.

If Ohio State wins, North Dakota needs to run the following table (assuming Lowell wins): Canisius over Robert Morris, Colgate over Union, Miami over Denver, and Ferris State over Mankato. In this scenario, Mankato is out by .0001 RPI.
 
Priceless said:
In 2003 the committee made #1 Cornell play #13 Mankato because the WCHA had two 1 seeds and two 4 seeds. I would expect the committee to follow suit and make #1 Minnesota play #14 New Hampshire.
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If there are 5 Hockey East Teams, there is a rule in place allowing conference teams to play first round that wasn't in place then.

So, I would expect you will be wrong.
 
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