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The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

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Re: The 2014 Pairwise, Bracketology and History Thread`

UnionHockeyManiac said:
According to Mike McMahon at College Hockey News and http://www.playoffstatus.com/ncaahockey/ncaahockeytournseedprob.html - BC, Minnesota and Union have locked up No. 1 seeds in the National Tournament. The 4th #1 seed is up still up for grabs with St. Cloud, Ferris State, Quinnipiac, Mass-Lowell, North Dakota, and Wisconsin (in order of likelihood). A few other schools have a very small chance (1% or less).
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Doesn't really matter. Even if UND and WI win out and both move up to #1 seeds...Moy and the committee will evidently put them in the west.

Seriously, if a team earns a #1 seed and rather than #8 seed they get the #5 in their bracket regardless of who they are...why even give the façade of a PWR based tournament?
 
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Numbers said:
And, in the dept of "What do we know for sure?"
Concerning Minn and BC:
In the event BC comes out ahead in RPI, this comparison depends on the ComOpp portion. There are only a few games left that affect this, so, in order:

1) If Notre Dame loses to BU, BC has only one Common Game potentially left, and no way to raise their record. Thus, Minnesota would need only a split with Michigan to guarantee winning this comparison and gaining the overall #1. As little as a tie would work, if Minnesota defeated either Mich or Wisc in the B10 tourney.

2) If Notre Dame wins, but there is an upset in other HEA games, then Notre Dame is across the bracket from BC. This changes things a little. Minnesota would need win and tie to clinch the overall #1. Split works with a win against Mich or Wsc in the B10 tourney

3) If Notre Dame plays BC in the HEA quarters, Minnesota needs sweep to clinch overall #1
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It would be nice if BC just had to play ND in the HE QF, but wouldn't BC have to win 2 against ND in the HE qtrs to get #1?
If BC should win the qtrs against ND, did you also check BC's other opponents in the semi and final? What if they then beat a Lowell and a PC? Is Minny still #1 with a sweep?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Doesn't really matter. Even if UND and WI win out and both move up to #1 seeds...Moy and the committee will evidently put them in the west.

Seriously, if a team earns a #1 seed and rather than #8 seed they get the #5 in their bracket regardless of who they are...why even give the façade of a PWR based tournament?
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Yeah, this is stupid. If Minnesota and North Dakota are there, they don't need to put Wisconsin in there.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Yeah, this is stupid. If Minnesota and North Dakota are there, they don't need to put Wisconsin in there.
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Because that region would sell more tickets then all the East regionals for the last ten years.
 
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Happy said:
Because that region would sell more tickets then all the East regionals for the last ten years.
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Attendance at the East regionals isn't the problem. Attendance in places like Grand Rapids, St Louis and (this year) Cincinnati are.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Seriously, if a team earns a #1 seed and rather than #8 seed they get the #5 in their bracket regardless of who they are...why even give the façade of a PWR based tournament?
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Finish high enough in the PWR and know you made the tournament = PWR based tournament. Once you're in, you better be okay beating whomever if you want to be national champs.
 
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Bonin21 said:
Finish high enough in the PWR and know you made the tournament = PWR based tournament. Once you're in, you better be okay beating whomever if you want to be national champs.
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sure, but it is a lot easier to beat a few teams with SOS at 34 and 42, then it is to handle the teams that just beat 3 or 4 top 10 teams in a row to get to you.
 
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Happy said:
sure, but it is a lot easier to beat a few teams with SOS at 34 and 42, then it is to handle the teams that just beat 3 or 4 top 10 teams in a row to get to you.
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Like Holy Cross and Yale?
You'd think you western folk would want your regional stuffed with western teams... that way at least one of you has a chance of advancing! ;) :p :cool:

Man... nothing like a 70 mph fastball over the heart of the plate. :D
 
FiveHole12 said:
Like Holy Cross and Yale?
You'd think you western folk would want your regional stuffed with western teams... that way at least one of you has a chance of advancing! ;) :p :cool:

Man... nothing like a 70 mph fastball over the heart of the plate. :D
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Or like when CC smoked BC?
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Or like when CC smoked BC?
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Exactly. But a little humbling between championships makes it easier to swallow. :)

But really... we wouldn't mind coming out and playing any of you. Or, you can come here. It's all good!
OR...
just keep beetching about your regional that hasn't even been selected yet. :D
 
FiveHole12 said:
It would be nice if BC just had to play ND in the HE QF, but wouldn't BC have to win 2 against ND in the HE qtrs to get #1?
If BC should win the qtrs against ND, did you also check BC's other opponents in the semi and final? What if they then beat a Lowell and a PC? Is Minny still #1 with a sweep?
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Because Minnesota has a win over BC, the Common Opponent piece ends up important. LOWELL and Union don't matter at all for that.

If BC sweeps ND, it means Minnesota needs good results in 2 weeks against Michigan, who is also a common opponent. Of Minnesota fails in that, they could make it up in the B10 tournament versus Michigan or Wisconsin.

Best for Minnesota is for BU to defeat ND. That is because they already have a split.
 
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Didn't CC win the WCHA in 2011? I thought they were pretty good
 
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Numbers said:
Because Minnesota has a win over BC, the Common Opponent piece ends up important. LOWELL and Union don't matter at all for that.

If BC sweeps ND, it means Minnesota needs good results in 2 weeks against Michigan, who is also a common opponent. Of Minnesota fails in that, they could make it up in the B10 tournament versus Michigan or Wisconsin.

Best for Minnesota is for BU to defeat ND. That is because they already have a split.
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I see. Wisco is also a common opponent that BC has a win over. BC lost to Mich. Lowell has wins over Mich, Mich State and Penn St. How's that figure in? LOL... You number nerds are awesome. I mean that in a good way.
 
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Tipsy McStagger said:
Minnesota's losses were in Grand Forks and Grand Rapids, so not sure what you are talking about.
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Close enough. :p

CC had stayed west to take down BC.
Yale and Holy Cross had to travel west to take down their Goliath's.

My point stands... you guys are better off with all western teams in your Regional. Trust me! :cool:
 
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The NCAA just needs to conferences like in the NHL so that all the western teams play each other in a bracket and all the eastern teams play each other in a bracket with the top two eastern teams and the top two western teams facing off in the frozen four.
 
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