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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

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You don't know that. It will never pass the stink test.

How about this -- national sales tax except on food, clothing, and shelter in place of the income tax.

How about no? (We've had this discussion ad nauseum before on this board).
 
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How about no? (We've had this discussion ad nauseum before on this board).

Keep the revelations coming that almost 1/2 the country does not pay income tax and the riche pay a lower effective rate than the Average Joe and you have a recipe for tax reform.

Just for giggles, how much income tax should somebody pay on $10 million of mini bond interest??
 
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I'm game, what problem should we solve next?

It seems to me that if we could promote economic growth, most of the other problems would be much less severe. To me, economic growth is the single most pressing domestic economic issue right now.

I have a few thoughts that I'll put out there for consideration later. Two that come immediately to mind are a stable tax structure and a co-ordinated regulatory regime that includes a cost-benefit analysis.
 
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Which makes you Sarah Palin.

Bob just dresses up like Sarah Palin. He's not actually her. ;)

Like Old Pio's neocon view of the world. Its sorta like watching that "Back to the 80's" show on VH1. I can almost hear the line "Murdoch.....I'm coming for YOU" from Rambo II playing in the background. Its even complete with the whole Clinton not serving thing, which is great because he never mentions Cheney's 4 deferrments, while also skipping over Kerry's heroic service which was slimed by sleazy conservatives. Then he wonders why military service doesn't command the respect it once did. Talk to your own party OP.
 
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If that POS Harry Reid has evidence of a crime ("Romney hasn't paid taxes for a decade") why not drop a dime on Romney with the IRS? That's their job. Just how credible is the suggestion that one of America's richest individuals hasn't paid taxes in ten years and the IRS somehow hasn't noticed. It's not like 5mm is commissioner.

If that decade does not include 2009, then he can't. The statute of limitations for IRS auditing is 3 years.
 
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So I saw a case in point of how perceptions in the US are often off.

So as a question: What do Americans think of when they think of SE Asia? Probably poor peasants working in rice paddies?

It depends on what you're considering SE Asia. If you're only talking places like Kuala Lumpur (which had the tallest buildings in the world in the Petronas towers), Singapore, Hong Kong, or Macau, then obviously not. However, if you take the rest of the rural areas into account, then yes.
 
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I came by my cynicism the old fashioned way: I grew up in Chicagoland during the Daley I regime.
Please explain how asking voters to provide identification "tarnishes election results." You're talking like a pettifogging lawyer, asking to measure the unmeasurable. It's similar to demanding some measurement of the deterrence effect of the death penalty: how do you quantify murders not committed? How do you quantify illegal voters who stay home? When the opposition to voter ID comes exclusively from Democrats, particularly big city Democrats, who have for decades been able to do pretty much whatever they wanted in those inner city precincts, I get very suspicious. And their altruistic rhetoric rings hollow.

In his book "Clout," Chicago TV commentator Len O'Connor referred to the "automatic 11." 11 wards which always returned enormous margins for Mayor Daley. Before the polls closed. Before any ballot was "counted," Mayor Daley always had about a 200,000 vote edge. These were wards represented in Congress by Ralph Metcalf (who took the silver medal behind Jesse Owens in the 100 meters in Berlin.) This was a neat, tidy relationship which guaranteed that Mother Theresa couldn't have won.

Ward healers were on the streets all day long, passing out two dollar bills to derelicts to "encourage" them to vote. Certainly nobody was ever rude enough to ask any of these "voters" to identify themselves. And most of the Republican poll watchers had been denied access to the precincts, so there was nobody to watch. And the Board of Election Commissioners made sure no nosy parker ever got a chance to learn how many "voters" were registered at Wrigley Field, because those "public" records could never, ever be consulted or accessed. No banana republic dictator had a better deal than Mayor Daley. He was the first person JFK invited to spend a night in the Lincoln bedroom after he was sworn in. Kennedy knew who had put him in the White House.

It's possible that asking for identification won't eliminate voter fraud. It's possible there's not nearly as much voter fraud as I suspect. So what we'd still have is a minor requirement for voters to prove who they are before they're handed a ballot. Tell me again about "poll taxes" and "disinfranchisement." Just show your ID card (which we will provide at no cost if you can't afford it, which will be useful to you in other situations besides voting) and you're free to vote. And nearly 75% in the WAPO poll agree with that.

Jon Stewart's response. Which is my response.

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Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

Keep the revelations coming that almost 1/2 the country does not pay income tax and the riche pay a lower effective rate than the Average Joe and you have a recipe for tax reform.

Just for giggles, how much income tax should somebody pay on $10 million of mini bond interest??


HEY!!! everybody that works pays 6 1/2% tax!!!!! AND ROMNEY AVOIDS THAT TOO!!!!! :D :D
 
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It depends on what you're considering SE Asia. If you're only talking places like Kuala Lumpur (which had the tallest buildings in the world in the Petronas towers), Singapore, Hong Kong, or Macau, then obviously not. However, if you take the rest of the rural areas into account, then yes.

When we think of ourselves we typically think of suburbs and bustling cities...not so much single rural farms. I would guess many in the states still think of Vietnam era scenes of rice paddies...if for no other reason in that its the one time those countries actually penetrated the thoughts of the average American.
 
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Care to explain why? Are you worried that people won't actually buy things?

Because a National Sales Tax screws the poor disproportionately.

Not to mention, why would the rich not just buy said item somewhere else where it will be cheaper since they wont have to pay the tax?
 
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When we think of ourselves we typically think of suburbs and bustling cities...not so much single rural farms. I would guess many in the states still think of Vietnam era scenes of rice paddies...if for no other reason in that its the one time those countries actually penetrated the thoughts of the average American.
Depends on where you live in America. If you spend all your time in the city, as I'm guessing you might do, you think of America primarily as city. For those of us who get out into the hinterlands, we think of the wide open spaces, pine forests, lakes and rivers, etc. as part of what America is. Nothing wrong with any of that, as long as it doesn't make a person too myopic. We are all influenced by what is around us.
 
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Depends on where you live in America. If you spend all your time in the city, as I'm guessing you might do, you think of America primarily as city. For those of us who get out into the hinterlands, we think of the wide open spaces, pine forests, lakes and rivers, etc. as part of what America is. Nothing wrong with any of that, as long as it doesn't make a person too myopic. We are all influenced by what is around us.

True that.

Yet the last census said that 81% of Americans live in urban areas. And I still bet many in the US still think of SE Asia as rice paddies first. Perceptions aren't necessarily reality.
 
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Because a National Sales Tax screws the poor disproportionately.

Not to mention, why would the rich not just buy said item somewhere else where it will be cheaper since they wont have to pay the tax?

Not really, you want something from the same place, you pay the same amount. If you want to become rich by stealing from the rich, that's plain thievery and greed.
 
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True that.

Yet the last census said that 81% of Americans live in urban areas. And I still bet many in the US still think of SE Asia as rice paddies first. Perceptions aren't necessarily reality.

Perceptions are typically a mix of reality and unreality. I agree that a lot of Americans probably think of SE Asia as rice paddies. Then there are educated aware people that have somehow learned about the region and know there is much more. But, the former likely greatly outnumber the latter.
 
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Because a National Sales Tax screws the poor disproportionately.

Not to mention, why would the rich not just buy said item somewhere else where it will be cheaper since they wont have to pay the tax?

That is a good point though.

If I didn't pay income tax...but paid tax to spend money here. I'd go overseas as much as possible and blow it all on the French Riveria or even in Canada. Heck, I'd probably buy property on the med. Oh wait...
 
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Perceptions are typically a mix of reality and unreality. I agree that a lot of Americans probably think of SE Asia as rice paddies. Then there are educated aware people that have somehow learned about the region and know there is much more. But, the former likely greatly outnumber the latter.

Just like the number of people who don't know that Upstate NY starts at a line along the southern edge of Lake Ontario extrapolated across the state, and think I've spent most of my life in Canada. -_-
 
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