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The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Miami and Ferris are locks right now. Alaska can still get in and Northern can play their way in. Michigan would have to beat Miami to get in and most likely win the whole thing. Looking at the scenerios I punched in, looks like 4 CCHA teams will get in.

Please beat Michigan!!!!! Last Saturday was hard to watch in East Lansing and I am tired of seeing Michigan in the final. It would be fitting that either Northern and Ferris be in the final game dominated by Big 10 schools:mad:

GO CATS
 
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Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Okay, since you won't listen to reason, maybe a stat comparison will help. What was your opinion of Michigan's talent and depth last year? Better? A team that didn't win the CCHA regular season, didn't win the tourney but was in the championship game... flamed out in the first round of the NCAA's, won 29 games, 20-8 in conference.

They lost Fardig, Miller, Naurato, Turnbull and Mitera to graduation. They lost Czarnik and Palushaj to defection.

They gained Brown, Treais, Lynch, Sparks, Rohrkemper and Moffie.

Compared to last season, same number of games played (41)- Michigan is down 40 points in net offense production-394 to 354. Why?

1. Palushaj comprised 50 points in production. Czarnik, 16 last season.
2. The remaining core players (Caporusso, Hagelin, Rust, Wohlberg, Lebler) were up a net 26 points from last year. They were expected to contribute more. Czarnik contributed 6 points this season before he bolted.
3. The defense didn't contribute as many points as the year before with the same players.

My point is, their offensive production drop is really due to losing Palushaj early. The seniors that left had their offense replaced by the incoming class, and by the core players. It was the intangibles they brought (size, age, experience, leadership) that has made the difference this season- which has nothing to do with talent or depth. Just the same, Chris Brown was on the All-Rookie team. No lack of talent there.

4. Goaltending. Hogan pretty much had the reins last season. He was 24-6, 1.97 .914 save%. This season, 18-15-1, 2.33 .901 save %. Significant drop.

You have a team this season with less offense due to losing two players and not having the core players step up. The freshman class' production equaled the outgoing seniors, basically, but lack leadership, age and experience. The goaltending suffered. The goals against were still top ten in the country. The PK was still top five in the country. They lacked discipline. Those are intangibles.

You want to know why they finished seventh, there it is. But it wasn't due to "lack of overall talent, or depth." They underachieved.

I do listen, But I don't agree with you. You actually just made my point. They lost Palushaj and didn't replace him, that is a talent/depth issue. They also didn't replace the guys the lost with guys who did the things need like you stated, that is a talent issue. You made my point, it just seems like you don't want to come to terms that the talent this year isn't what it was last year. Maybe Palushaj just made those guys better and without him they aren't as good. I don't think any different about Michigan they are a good team, just not as good as last years. Don't know why its so hard to admit...

regardless, it is great conversation and atleast you are getting mad/angry or bitter and can have a nice debate.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Bouzouki's.... Sports Bar???.... ok, I'll go along with that.

However be advised that thanks to the Detroit City Council's new ordinance they approved last month in a vote, that this "sports bar" cannot provide any lap dances or VIP rooms.

Yes but they do have nice flat screens to watch the NCAA basketball tourney. I was hoping the new ordinance wasn't effective that quick.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Plaka Cafe, on Monroe Street, get off the People Mover at Greektown Casino. Monroe is the cross street just ahead, go right 1/2 block on opposite side of street. I also recommend the Detroiter Bar, get off one stop before Greektown (the Bricktown stop) and go across the street. $2.50 pints last year, good pub grub. We went there after the consolation game, asked if they'd put the UM/Notre Dame hockey game on, hoping for one TV, they put it on three and turned the Bouncy Ball sound down and the hockey game up! Among other favorites, Fishbones, Old Shilellagh, Detroit Beer Co, Hockey Town, and Cheli's is great. We stopped in for lunch, party of three, each had chili, a sandwich w fries and a couple pints and our bill for the three of us was about $42 for lunch for three with a couple beers...pretty reasonable for the area!



Thanks a lot for the info!


GO CATS!!!
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Bouzouki's.... Sports Bar???.... ok, I'll go along with that.

However be advised that thanks to the Detroit City Council's new ordinance they approved last month in a vote, that this "sports bar" cannot provide any lap dances or VIP rooms.


Lap dances while the wife and kids look on wouldn't be cool I guess.:o
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

I do listen, But I don't agree with you. You actually just made my point. They lost Palushaj and didn't replace him, that is a talent/depth issue. They also didn't replace the guys the lost with guys who did the things need like you stated, that is a talent issue. You made my point, it just seems like you don't want to come to terms that the talent this year isn't what it was last year. Maybe Palushaj just made those guys better and without him they aren't as good. I don't think any different about Michigan they are a good team, just not as good as last years. Don't know why its so hard to admit...

regardless, it is great conversation and atleast you are getting mad/angry or bitter and can have a nice debate.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I proved that they were nominal offensively compared to last season, sans Palushaj. The intangibles were the greatest difference, along with poor goaltending and defensive breakdowns.

Losing Palushaj early (a junior to be) was a blow. You can't replace a talent like him in a couple months. Same with Czarnik, although his impact was less.
Yes, Palushaj made his teammates better, where the other was a distraction.
Just the same, Michigan has overcome early departures for over 15 seasons and never missed a beat until this season. I could stretch to last year and also point out that Michigan lost Max Pachioretty early, after his freshman year, too. He would have had an impact this season.

I don't equate leadership, experience and maturity with talent. They have just as many upperclassmen this season that should have taken over. Depth is a different story. They are not as strong offensively, but that is a matter of age and development, plus their leading goalscorer from last season tanked. I showed you that it was a net sum wash in production. Last year's team was one player better in pure talent and had more experienced depth. Not that much a change that they should drop from 2nd to 7th place. Eleven NHL draft choices, coaches choice for top of the league... that doesn't tell me they are not talented, at least on paper, across at least three lines.

Just the same, amongst Michigan fans, we are missing a pure goalscorer we've had in the past- Hensick, Comrie, Cammalleri, Cogliano, Tambellini Porter, Kolarik... etc. Caporusso was suppose to supply that, but hasn't up until the last ten games.

The goaltending wasn't changed, yet it was worse.
The core group of juniors are performed nominally better than they were a year ago. Next year is put up or shut up time.
The underclassmen are about where they said they'd be, especially Chris Brown who was highly touted.
The experienced defense all returned and were inconsistent for most of the season and added little offense.

How many times did you see Michigan this season? I saw them for every home game live and some others on tv. Can say that for the last 15 years.
Just the same, how many Miami teams have you seen like this season or last?
Very few, IMO. They are that special.

Seems to me that it was more execution and effort than talent and depth that led to their conference spot. That is not to take anything away from UNO, Alaska, NMU, FSU and MSU- all talented teams. I think any team in the league could randomly beat another in positions 2-8. It happened last weekend, as a matter of fact. There is good reason some of those teams will qualify for the NCAA tourney this season.

But I will give you this much- the "type" of player Michigan has recruited has changed. They are still lightning quick, but are not as big, not as gifted as in the recent past. Michigan still doesn't have a big strong scoring defenseman, either. Most of their offensive rushing d-men are smallish. Their stay at home guys are not offensively gifted.

Remember, you asked why they finished 7th. I'm saying this team may not be vintage Michigan of the past, but they have enough talent and depth to at least finish top four in the league and make the NCAA's. They failed at the first goal and have some work to do for the other. It shouldn't have come to this, but in the long term it may be better for the returning players next season.
 
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I proved that they were nominal offensively compared to last season, sans Palushaj. The intangibles were the greatest difference, along with poor goaltending and defensive breakdowns.

Losing Palushaj early (a junior to be) was a blow. You can't replace a talent like him in a couple months. Same with Czarnik, although his impact was less.
Yes, Palushaj made his teammates better, where the other was a distraction.
Just the same, Michigan has overcome early departures for over 15 seasons and never missed a beat until this season. I could stretch to last year and also point out that Michigan lost Max Pachioretty early, after his freshman year, too. He would have had an impact this season.

I don't equate leadership, experience and maturity with talent. They have just as many upperclassmen this season that should have taken over. Depth is a different story. They are not as strong offensively, but that is a matter of age and development, plus their leading goalscorer from last season tanked. I showed you that it was a net sum wash in production. Last year's team was one player better in pure talent and had more experienced depth. Not that much a change that they should drop from 2nd to 7th place. Eleven NHL draft choices, coaches choice for top of the league... that doesn't tell me they are not talented, at least on paper, across at least three lines.

Just the same, amongst Michigan fans, we are missing a pure goalscorer we've had in the past- Hensick, Comrie, Cammalleri, Cogliano, Tambellini Porter, Kolarik... etc. Caporusso was suppose to supply that, but hasn't up until the last ten games.

The goaltending wasn't changed, yet it was worse.
The core group of juniors are performed nominally better than they were a year ago. Next year is put up or shut up time.
The underclassmen are about where they said they'd be, especially Chris Brown who was highly touted.
The experienced defense all returned and were inconsistent for most of the season and added little offense.

How many times did you see Michigan this season? I saw them for every home game live and some others on tv. Can say that for the last 15 years.
Just the same, how many Miami teams have you seen like this season or last?
Very few, IMO. They are that special.

Seems to me that it was more execution and effort than talent and depth that led to their conference spot. That is not to take anything away from UNO, Alaska, NMU, FSU and MSU- all talented teams. I think any team in the league could randomly beat another in positions 2-8. It happened last weekend, as a matter of fact. There is good reason some of those teams will qualify for the NCAA tourney this season.

But I will give you this much- the "type" of player Michigan has recruited has changed. They are still lightning quick, but are not as big, not as gifted as in the recent past. Michigan still doesn't have a big strong scoring defenseman, either. Most of their offensive rushing d-men are smallish. Their stay at home guys are not offensively gifted.

Remember, you asked why they finished 7th. I'm saying this team may not be vintage Michigan of the past, but they have enough talent and depth to at least finish top four in the league and make the NCAA's. They failed at the first goal and have some work to do for the other. It shouldn't have come to this, but in the long term it may be better for the returning players next season.

Ok if you read this carefully you are making the same arguement I am. Maybe Hogan isn't as good and his numbers were inflated because of the play in front of him last year. And maybe Palushaj was a dynamic player and made those better around him. And you admitted they don't have the depth which is the main problem I see with this team. They aren't as deep as past Michigan teams. They still do have talented players, Im not saying they don't but the talent on the third and fourth lines aren't as good as say last year or years past. From reading your post you have agreed to this, so it seems we are making the same arguement.
 
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GOOFUS!! :) That guy is awesome!

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Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

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YES!

Screw you, Elda Tate, for banning those lyrics.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

YES!

Screw you, Elda Tate, for banning those lyrics.

Oh dear! Did she not like the "Men of Northern" line?

The previous Miami administration replaced the first chorus of our Alma Mater with a really lame PC chorus to avoid the line "While thy sons have quested from thee..." Of course, I haven't met a single person that approves of the change and most are pretty angry about it.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Bren was the only one who appeciated hockey, as it allowed him to get drunk and avoid his wife. AND they would let him drive the blimp during intermissions.

You could tell when the nights were rough. :D
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Im shocked Judy Bailey didnt ban the entire fight song and block USCHO on campus :D

Judy Bailey. I felt so bad for her husband. Came you imagine having to be married to that monstrocity? It's no wonder the guy was/is such a lush.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

Ok if you read this carefully you are making the same arguement I am. Maybe Hogan isn't as good and his numbers were inflated because of the play in front of him last year. And maybe Palushaj was a dynamic player and made those better around him. And you admitted they don't have the depth which is the main problem I see with this team. They aren't as deep as past Michigan teams. They still do have talented players, Im not saying they don't but the talent on the third and fourth lines aren't as good as say last year or years past. From reading your post you have agreed to this, so it seems we are making the same arguement.

No, I'm not saying that, completely. Hogan had a solid year last season. No one but him can stop the puck. He didn't do it this season. Doesn't mean he is as bad as he was this season or as good as he was last season. Our expectation is that he didn't give up the type of goals he did at times this season with the same defense in front of him from last season. I also said our defense stunk in front of him, too. He was hung out to dry more this season. Same talent, same depth as last season.

The forwards on the other hand- I will concede your depth point, but only on the basis of experience. In a couple years the freshmen that stepped in this season could prove to be as effective and more productive than the seniors they replaced.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

No, I'm not saying that, completely. Hogan had a solid year last season. No one but him can stop the puck. He didn't do it this season. Doesn't mean he is as bad as he was this season or as good as he was last season. Our expectation is that he didn't give up the type of goals he did at times this season with the same defense in front of him from last season. I also said our defense stunk in front of him, too. He was hung out to dry more this season. Same talent, same depth as last season.

The forwards on the other hand- I will concede your depth point, but only on the basis of experience. In a couple years the freshmen that stepped in this season could prove to be as effective and more productive than the seniors they replaced.

I have no reason to not believe the freshman wont develop into solid players, but they aren't at this point and that is what we are talking about. That has seemed to be the biggest difference from last year to this.

I will concede to you that the defense hasn't had a lot of turnover, unless a full year out of Kampfer and the fact that Scooter Vaughn has moved to forward. But they haven't played well for some reason, and IMO it is a direct reflect on Hogan. Last year Hogan had great play in front of him and he didn't have to stand on his head a lot. ( kind of how Miami is this year) I for one don't believe Cody is the best goaltender in the league, for my money Gil at Western is. For him to have the numbers he does with a garbage team in front of him is very impressive. But sometimes goaltenders numbers can be somewhat inflated by the team they have in front of them. However, I do think Cody is a very very good goaltender, but maybe a 1.8 or 2.0 GAA instead of a 1.3 GAA. Makes a big difference, IMO. Guys haven't played well in front of Hogan for whatever reason and he became vulnerable. I am high on Hunwick though, even when most aren't. Have seen him play in 3 of the 6 he has and have seen a lot of great things out of him.
 
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Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

GOOFUS!! :) That guy is awesome!

I seen the dude at Miami of Ohio last year during the playoffs. I was sober, had to drive back to Louisville after the game, so I didn't go up and talk to him. It was quite comical to watch the Redhawk reaction to him.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

I seen the dude at Miami University last year during the playoffs. I was sober, had to drive back to Louisville after the game, so I didn't go up and talk to him. It was quite comical to watch the Redhawk reaction to him.

That was my first personal encounter with Goofus. Talked to him after the games in Oxford. Great guy and a lot of fun. He was definitely the only entertaining part of the Saturday and Sunday games for Miami fans...
 
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It hasn't been mentioned yet, probably because it's nothing more than bar food, but I really like the State Bar (right across the street from CoMerica Park, near HockeyTown and The State Theatre on Woodward). Like I said there really isn't anything special about it but I really like the atmosphere.
 
Re: The 2010 CCHA Championships 3/19-20: FSU, Miami, Michigan, and NMU

That was my first personal encounter with Goofus. Talked to him after the games in Oxford. Great guy and a lot of fun. He was definitely the only entertaining part of the Saturday and Sunday games for Miami fans...

The product on the ice was far more entertaining...at least from my standpoint, even more so in Overtime :D
 
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