The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

[Carter]

Re: The 112th Congress - The first Orange-American to be elected Speaker

And Henry Ford made anti-semetic quotes and accepted the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from a German consulate in 1938. Clearly the Ford Motor Company is financing Arab efforts against Israel because of things its founder said decades ago. Rotten to the core.

Not to mention IBMs active participation in "The Final Solution".

 

[Kepler]

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Meanwhile we're talking about Sanger and not the supposed corruption of an organization who does over 1,000,000 cervical and breast cancer exams a year. And Kepler apparently thinks Catholics are unclean.

"You ever eaten with one?"

 

[Priceless]

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And Henry Ford made anti-semetic quotes and accepted the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from a German consulate in 1938. Clearly the Ford Motor Company is financing Arab efforts against Israel because of things its founder said decades ago. Rotten to the core.

IBM programmed the computers (if you want to call them that) that the Nazis used at the concentration camps. I suppose when the programmers read that Jews were being sent to Auschwitz and Dachau for special treatment, they thought it was for a party or something.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Yeah, we're all on board that train, Bob. You can certainly conclude that from what we've been saying.

Make one wonder. Or else your just hopelessly unwilling to question any of your liberal causes. Except, oh, right, you don't think you're liberal. You are very entertaining, I'll give you that.

I guess some people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying lalalalalalalala to themselves endlessly when someone brings up inconvenient facts is considered the way to go by some folks.

 

[Kepler]

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I guess some people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying lalalalalalalala to themselves endlessly when someone brings up inconvenient facts is considered the way to go by some folks.

Bob, it isn't so much that as that every other white supremacist of the 20th century was a reactionary conservative.

It's not really a liberal thing. Now, hating Whitey -- we are DOWN with that!

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Make one wonder. Or else your just hopelessly unwilling to question any of your liberal causes. Except, oh, right, you don't think you're liberal. You are very entertaining, I'll give you that.

I guess some people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying lalalalalalalala to themselves endlessly when someone brings up inconvenient facts is considered the way to go by some folks.

I don't care about Margaret Sanger. I do care about 1,000,000 cervical and breast cancer exams. I guess that makes me a bad person. Sorry I don't live up to your standards, Bob.

 

[unofan]

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http://omaha.com/article/20110411/NEWS01/704119859#bachmann-health-care-ruined-deal

It must be nice to be able to live in fantasy land where you get to be a pure ideologue and not have to worry about governing a diverse population. Especially when you only control 1/3rd of the effective government (ie, not the Senate or the White House).

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ichele-Bachmann-wants-to-see-U-S-turn-around-

Oh, she also will fix the country in 4 years if elected president. Good to know.

 

[Kepler]

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http://omaha.com/article/20110411/NEWS01/704119859#bachmann-health-care-ruined-deal

It must be nice to be able to live in fantasy land where you get to be a pure ideologue and not have to worry about governing a diverse population. Especially when you only control 1/3rd of the effective government (ie, not the Senate or the White House).

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...ichele-Bachmann-wants-to-see-U-S-turn-around-

Oh, she also will fix the country in 4 years if elected president. Good to know.

She's selling books. The only budget she cares about is her own.

 

[Handyman]

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Well this thread has certainly gone down hill fast

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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She's selling books. The only budget she cares about is her own.

No, she cares about the 5% too. They got her elected after all. She'll balance it for them. Probably could do it in 2 years with the right Congress.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I don't care about Margaret Sanger. I do care about 1,000,000 cervical and breast cancer exams. I guess that makes me a bad person. Sorry I don't live up to your standards, Bob.

And 332,278 abortions in 2009, compared to 997 adoption referrals. That's 333 abortions per adoption referral.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
-Winston Churchill

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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And 332,278 abortions in 2009, compared to 997 adoption referrals. That's 333 abortions per adoption referral.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
-Winston Churchill

Do you really want to go there? Really? I got plenty of ammo if you do.

 

[leswp1]

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I can understand you wanting to avoid talking about PP's very checkered history by throwing out some relativistic language. Nice duck.

Another dodge. Again, I don't blame you. It's a pretty grisly history.

??

I raised the issue of PP's very checkered past. Both of them avoided addressing the point I raised. Pretty simple really.

Focus. PP's grisly history. Margaret Sanger. I didn't say anything about them doing anything illegal (though it wouldn't surprise me). I said they have a grisly history. You made some statement about nobody is perfect. Yah, that explains statements like this from Margaret Sanger "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population." Or "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order." Or "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Yup, every other interest group is like that.

That was my first post. I brought up a new angle that Priceless and Foxton both dodged. The person who founded and ran PP for much of its early history and who is still highly honored by the organization is certainly germane to how one looks at PP...

And 332,278 abortions in 2009, compared to 997 adoption referrals. That's 333 abortions per adoption referral.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
-Winston Churchill

So, Not to inject anything into the sissy fight...I am confused still about what PP is doing related to corruption. If you are against abortion that is one thing but it is legal and that is not corruption.

I will agree that what Margaret Sanger said in today's culture is not acceptable but in those times there was a lot of that kind of rhetoric from all sides. There certainly was racism, bigotry and all sorts of unChristian behavior, even from the Christians! (and yes, I am one). Popes have done some horrifying things but does that make Christianity null? No, the basis is the belief system. THe PP belief is that women should be given the tools to take care of their bodies. Prevention is the most important part of what they teach.

I understand you are against abortion. I can't say that I disagree with this as I have said before. I ask once again how cutting funding to a place that provides a way to prevent the need is helping this situation? Do you have stats on just how many ABs could potentially be prevented by all the birth control that is being distributed? How about how many total visits compared to how many ABs were performed? I am pretty sure the ratio would way outdo the stat about adoption vs AB. How about how many referrals to OB for prenatal care?

I know they have all the propaganda nonsense about ABs being pushed. I have to disagree with this. I have had more than a few patients that were rejected because they were not sure they wanted one and wanted to just get it over with. For those who are seeking adoption there are other, well known avenues that are available. I have referred patients to them. PP is not the first place that comes to mind to broker that altho they offer the service.

On the whole I understand that abortion is objectionable. I do not understand why some of what someone said a century ago has bearing on the way the organization is judged today. Margaret Sanger said some horrifying things. Just like we have Glen Beck, Rush, and Oberman now who are way over the line when they say things. She was a wildly radical person in her time and I bet would still be one now.

Despite her nasty side she also was an advocate for women when there were no other advocates and some of the things she advocated for were things that made being a woman more safe. At that time in history women were purposefully kept in the dark about most things to do with sexuality including pregnancy prevention and STDs. Sanger diseminated this information allowing women to protect against pregnancy and STDs in a time when there was very little intervention that could help a woman who was a risk. She may not have had the best moral character but I am sure that at least this is a good thing for women.

 

[Bakunin]

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Do you really want to go there? Really? I got plenty of ammo if you do.

Is your gun armed with aborted fetuses or adopted babies?

 

[Bob Gray]

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Do you really want to go there? Really? I got plenty of ammo if you do.

Same here.

 

[Foxton]

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Same here.

Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

We can start with Senator John Kyl having to lie on the Senate floor to try to make his point.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmem...-sen-kyls-statement-on-planned-parenthood.php

In the heated budget debate last week, Kyl erroneously claimed on the Senate floor that 90% of Planned Parenthood's services are abortions; the real number is more like 3%. Rather than admit a mistake, Kyl defended that claim by saying it was, "not intended to be a factual statement."

"Kyl just rounded up to the nearest 90," Colbert explained.

"You can't call him out for being wrong when he never intended to be right," he added.

 

[bronconick]

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Still waiting for things that Planned Parenthood does that means they should be defunded. I'm sure Sanger might have been a current event way back when but please indicate something that is happening NOW.

Members of NOW should be executed as well. Calling for letting women read and backtalk the menfolk. If they'd just stay in the kitchen, not only would the country be better, we'd all be healthier from eating a proper, home cooked meal.

 

[Priceless]

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We can start with Senator John Kyl having to lie on the Senate floor to try to make his point.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmem...-sen-kyls-statement-on-planned-parenthood.php

Jon Kyl likes to rape little boys.
This is not intended as a factual statement

 

[Bob Gray]

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??

So, Not to inject anything into the sissy fight...I am confused still about what PP is doing related to corruption. If you are against abortion that is one thing but it is legal and that is not corruption.

I will agree that what Margaret Sanger said in today's culture is not acceptable but in those times there was a lot of that kind of rhetoric from all sides. There certainly was racism, bigotry and all sorts of unChristian behavior, even from the Christians! (and yes, I am one). Popes have done some horrifying things but does that make Christianity null? No, the basis is the belief system. THe PP belief is that women should be given the tools to take care of their bodies. Prevention is the most important part of what they teach.

I understand you are against abortion. I can't say that I disagree with this as I have said before. I ask once again how cutting funding to a place that provides a way to prevent the need is helping this situation? Do you have stats on just how many ABs could potentially be prevented by all the birth control that is being distributed? How about how many total visits compared to how many ABs were performed? I am pretty sure the ratio would way outdo the stat about adoption vs AB. How about how many referrals to OB for prenatal care?

I know they have all the propaganda nonsense about ABs being pushed. I have to disagree with this. I have had more than a few patients that were rejected because they were not sure they wanted one and wanted to just get it over with. For those who are seeking adoption there are other, well known avenues that are available. I have referred patients to them. PP is not the first place that comes to mind to broker that altho they offer the service.

On the whole I understand that abortion is objectionable. I do not understand why some of what someone said a century ago has bearing on the way the organization is judged today. Margaret Sanger said some horrifying things. Just like we have Glen Beck, Rush, and Oberman now who are way over the line when they say things. She was a wildly radical person in her time and I bet would still be one now.

Despite her nasty side she also was an advocate for women when there were no other advocates and some of the things she advocated for were things that made being a woman more safe. At that time in history women were purposefully kept in the dark about most things to do with sexuality including pregnancy prevention and STDs. Sanger diseminated this information allowing women to protect against pregnancy and STDs in a time when there was very little intervention that could help a woman who was a risk. She may not have had the best moral character but I am sure that at least this is a good thing for women.

Thank you for being thoughtful in your dialogue. I'm afraid I have to say yet again that Patman was the one talking about corruption at PP, not me. I don't know how many more times I have to say it, but somehow people are missing it. My point is PP's checkered history and it's honoring of Sanger, who was pretty monstrous in her views of things. I'm not going to say she didn't do anything good in her lifetime, but her views of minorities, the poor, the handicapped, immigrants, etc. are far beyond Beck or those others who you mention. I'm not a Beck or Olberman or Rush fan and don't listen to any of their junk, but I've never heard any of them remotely suggest exterminating the negro race, as Sanger advocated. She didn't just say horrifying things, she pushed horrifying agendas. Pre-WW2 her group was connected the Nazi Germany. And it's not like she was just associated with the group for a short period when it initially started and then the group radically changed and rejected its roots. She was active in these issues until her death in 1966. And PP still greatly honors her. So efforts to say something she said or did a century ago has no association with PP now just doesn't square with or reflect the reality of her long association with PP and their continued holding her on a pedestal. It'd be like Cambodia honoring Pol Pot or something. I guess a lot of folks simply aren't as bothered by her views and her long association with PP. The amount of handwringing around here when some conservative person says something relatively innocuous who nobody wants to confront the grisly views of Margaret Sanger shows wild hypocrisy. If some conservative icon from back then had said such things, they'd be horribly castigated (and rightly so), but you get a free pass if you're a liberal darling. I mean, her views aren't just mildly offensive on the edge stuff, they are gross and vile by any measure, part of the reason her organization was looked up to by Nazi Germany, which shared in some of her and her group's perspectives.