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The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

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WeWantMore said:
Virginia? Are you guys really still a state? I thought you guys merged with DC years ago. ;)

Anyways, they'll be in Minnesota soon enough
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PG County has essentially merged with DC and Montgomery's not far behind. (Those are in Maryland, not Virginia.)

I should note that the participants in the "one midwestern state is as good as another" conversation were, as 95% of my workplace is, hard-core Fox News viewers. So it's not surprising.

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Sigh. More work for the Tea Party to do, clearly.

The House rejected a measure cutting an additional $22 billion from the Republican spending bill, as conservatives ran into a wall of opposition from the GOP establishment over the depth of reductions to federal funding.
The amendment backed by the conservative Republican Study Committee failed, 147-281, but not before putting the GOP spending divide under a spotlight on the House floor. Authored by RSC chairman Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), the proposal would have dramatically reshaped an appropriations bill that already slashes federal spending by $61 billion over the next seven months.
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Sloe Gin said:
they are NOT vastly underpaid. They work 6 months out of the year (and don't tell me differently, because you know for a fact that's true). They get every single holiday off, every single important day on the calendar off, and let's not even get into the benefits that every teacher gets. Tenure after a certain amount of time? What the *k is that? Then, when the governor has the balls to tell them they need to sacrifice like EVERY OTHER AMERICAN the Union gets its thong turned all around and demands unreasonable *t. Oh, you didn't get a raise last year? Boo *king hoo. I didn't get a raise this year, and I'm guessing most Americans didn't either. In fact, most in the private sector have taken paycuts that have not been restored in years.

Give me a *king break. Overworked. Easiest profession in the world.
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Sloe Gin said:
I was a teacher in North Dakota. I taught in the private sector. I didn't rely on the government to supply me with a pension or any benefits. I didn't enjoy it, but I did it because I was paid to do it. Now, unlike your ugly ***, I had to work very hard for my money. But hey, obviously I don't know what I'm talking about because I've never had to teach. Oh no.

You chose to be a teacher. If it's too hard for you, find a different job. Don't you dare sit here and complain about your job and how you don't get enough benefits. You chose to do a job; **** and get your *** back in the classroom.
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Um, if my kid goes from Sept-June where are the other 3 months of the 9 months they teach. Not sure what kind of teacher you were but the teachers in my family never had a holiday that they were with us the whole time. They were grading papers and doing lesson plans. In August they qwere setting up their rooms and paying stuff out of their pocket for supplies because the funding didn't not cover everything. They stayed after school to help run clubs that they weren't reimbursed for. Saying you worked in the private sector and comparing that to the job in a public school is a joke. The private schools have way more resources (why wouldn't they, they charge thousands!)

Curious here, not following from the beginning- I can't imagine any setting where it is appropriate for the gov't to sail in to say that there are arbitrary cuts to things and no one can negotiate. Are they going to arbitrarily reimburse the businesses less than what they contracted for, tax them more and tell them they can't negotiate?
 
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Bakunin said:
http://maciverinstitute.com/2010/03/average-mps-teacher-compensation-tops-100kyear/

Wow, those teachers are really hurting for money. :p
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Wow, I don't think I have seen this kind of thing ever quoted except when they put stuff out about CEOs. I wonder what the average person gets if you factor in all the benefits.

My initial thought was that is a lot of cash. But then I thought-benefits may factor a lot of money but you can't hand a benefit to the cashier at the grocery store when you are paying or send in some to the heating company. 56.5K in this part of the country would make it very hard to make ends meet but I know our COL is much higher here than there. Also how much does that work out per hour? Mr Les has what would appear to be a good salary but when you calculate the amount of time he works or is expected to be available by phone he would make more working at Walmart per hour. :(
 
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leswp1 said:
I can't imagine any setting where it is appropriate for the gov't to sail in to say that there are arbitrary cuts to things and no one can negotiate.
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Seriously? Do you not remember what happened with GM and the people to whom they owed money?
 
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leswp1 said:
Wow, I don't think I have seen this kind of thing ever quoted except when they put stuff out about CEOs. I wonder what the average person gets if you factor in all the benefits.

My initial thought was that is a lot of cash. But then I thought-benefits may factor a lot of money but you can't hand a benefit to the cashier at the grocery store when you are paying or send in some to the heating company. 56.5K in this part of the country would make it very hard to make ends meet but I know our COL is much higher here than there. Also how much does that work out per hour? Mr Les has what would appear to be a good salary but when you calculate the amount of time he works or is expected to be available by phone he would make more working at Walmart per hour. :(
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I don't disagree with that last line, but I'll be ****ed if I don't work at least 60 hours a week or even up to 80 hours during the busy times or when projects are in the middle of the detailed engineering phase. It happens. I knew weekends and overtime were a major part of the job of a busy engineer. Plus I knew I would never be compensated on an hourly basis for those hours. A bonus might be part of it, but there are never any guarantees.
 
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Priceless said:
Wow. A right-wing columnist who thinks the union has too much power and Sarah Palin is a great candidate wrote a piece extolling the virtues of the governor and telling how awful the unions are? Knock me over with a feather. I would NEVER have guessed.
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:D

Someone's in denial about his political god being anti public union. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the writer either, I was just shocked that FDR opposed public unions. Or at least that's how the writer spun it. The rest of the article is throwaway.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
:D

Someone's in denial about his political god being anti public union. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the writer either, I was just shocked that FDR opposed public unions. Or at least that's how the writer spun it. The rest of the article is throwaway.
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Someone's putting a lot of weight on one editorial piece by a right-wing guy. I'm sure he'd never twist facts or take things out of context to prove a point.

And who said FDR was my "political god?"
 
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Priceless said:
Someone's putting a lot of weight on one editorial piece by a right-wing guy. I'm sure he'd never twist facts or take things out of context to prove a point.

And who said FDR was my "political god?"
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Apparently someone doesn't know how to read white text or interpret smileys. Here's another ---> :rolleyes:
 
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I might have to head down to the capitol today after all. I have a few commitments next week it would be nice to get out of.

Fake Doctors Notes Handed Out at Union Rally

On Saturday, a group of men and women in lab coats purporting to be doctors were handing out medical excuse notes, without examining the ‘patients.’

“I asked this doctor what he was doing and he told me they were handing out excuses to people who were feeling sick due to emotional, mental or financial distress,” said Christian Hartsock. “They never performed an exam–he asked me how I was feeling today and I said I’m from California and I’m not used to the cold, so he handed me a note.”

Another woman, who wished to remain anonymous, said they were handing out excuses like they were leaflets.

“I asked if they were handing out doctors’ excuses and a guy said yes and asked me if I needed one,” she said. “When I told them I needed one for February 16 and 17th, he wondered if I wanted to come back here for the protests next week.”

What happened next?

“I said, ‘sure,’ and I received a doctor’s note for the 16th through the 25th of February, without a medical exam.”
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It amazes me that the right is actually out there telling everyone that Middle Class public sector workers are the ones that are screwing the country. Amazing.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It amazes me that the right is actually out there telling everyone that Middle Class public sector workers are the ones that are screwing the country. Amazing.
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And some people are actually buying it.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It amazes me that the right is actually out there telling everyone that Middle Class public sector workers are the ones that are screwing the country. Amazing.
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Why is this amazing? And the sheep say baa-aa.
 
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From 2000-2009, the Wisconsin public pension program cost $12.6 billion. Amount paid into that program by public sector employees? $55 million. So yeah, I think a program that only gets .4% of it paid by the actual workers is a problem.

The workers though? Not the problem. The public sector union that negotiates for them? Yeah, I'd say it's a problem.

Plus, it's hardly "the right". New York Times story headline: Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) Vows Offensive Against Unions. From a more recent story:
Public worker unions are also holding their fire for now, saying they will wait to see how contract negotiations go first. Cuomo has threatened up to 10,000 lay offs if he does not win union concessions.
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Or, if the West Coast is more your style, try Jerry Brown (D-California).
While he says he won't go as far as Walker in limiting bargaining rights, he does plan to adress the issue:
Like many other states, California faces soaring costs for its retired workers, caused primarily by the recession's effect on the value of pension-fund investments, generous benefits awarded to public employees during better economic times and a wave of baby boomers heading into retirement.

The California Public Employees' RetirementSystem, the nation's largest pension fund, has $75 billion in unfunded liabilities. The state also is on the hook for nearly $52 billion in unfunded retiree health care benefits.

Brown said he wants to seek pension reforms after the state closes its budget deficit. His budget proposal last month called for 10 percent pay cuts for the six state employee bargaining groups that are operating without a contract. It also proposes creating a lower-cost "core health plan" for state employees.
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So all this begs the question, why does the left think Middle Class public sector workers are screwing the country?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It amazes me that the right is actually out there telling everyone that Middle Class public sector workers are the ones that are screwing the country. Amazing.
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Yeah
Make sure their budget doesn't get touched, leave them alone, they're overworked and underpaid.
 
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WeWantMore said:
From 2000-2009, the Wisconsin public pension program cost $12.6 billion. Amount paid into that program by public sector employees? $55 million. So yeah, I think a program that only gets .4% of it paid by the actual workers is a problem.

The workers though? Not the problem. The public sector union that negotiates for them? Yeah, I'd say it's a problem.

Plus, it's hardly "the right". New York Times story headline: Andrew Cuomo (D-NY) Vows Offensive Against Unions. From a more recent story:


Or, if the West Coast is more your style, try Jerry Brown (D-California).
While he says he won't go as far as Walker in limiting bargaining rights, he does plan to adress the issue:


So all this begs the question, why does the left think Middle Class public sector workers are screwing the country?
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Facts are not allowed. Cripes. I wish I only had to pay 0.4% for my retirement...
 
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