Russell Jaslow
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Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
UConn is a D1 member. They can't compete in D3 in any sport.
UConn is a D1 member. They can't compete in D3 in any sport.
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Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Very well aware of this, just making a statement.....
Very well aware of this, just making a statement.....
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
I know. But others may get confused. Plus, we all know how you feel about Atlantic Hockey...
I know. But others may get confused. Plus, we all know how you feel about Atlantic Hockey...
Pioneers#1
Just call me Pio#1....
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
How about SUNY-IT??? i heard their building a rink? anyone think maybe they'd be a competitor.I doubt they would be in D-III though,since their a junior collge i think.....
How about SUNY-IT??? i heard their building a rink? anyone think maybe they'd be a competitor.I doubt they would be in D-III though,since their a junior collge i think.....
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
As much as I would love to see some of these ACHA teams move to DIII, I just can't see it happening. Most of the really great ACHA programs are at NCAA DI schools. I would love to see Lindenwood make a move to DIII (just because I think an important hockey area like STL should have some form of NCAA hockey) I can imagine that the conversion from NAIA to NCAA would need to be in the best interest of all of their programs.
Some of the existing leagues have some room for expansion (Bates and McCalister in the NESCAC and MIAC both some to mind). A lot of the NY schools that have already been listed would be very logical. In terms of areas with strong existing interest in hockey and a large number of DIII schools, I think Michigan and Ohio are ripe for new DIII programs.
As much as I would love to see some of these ACHA teams move to DIII, I just can't see it happening. Most of the really great ACHA programs are at NCAA DI schools. I would love to see Lindenwood make a move to DIII (just because I think an important hockey area like STL should have some form of NCAA hockey) I can imagine that the conversion from NAIA to NCAA would need to be in the best interest of all of their programs.
Some of the existing leagues have some room for expansion (Bates and McCalister in the NESCAC and MIAC both some to mind). A lot of the NY schools that have already been listed would be very logical. In terms of areas with strong existing interest in hockey and a large number of DIII schools, I think Michigan and Ohio are ripe for new DIII programs.
Celticusa46
New member
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
What about moving some teams to stock up D II I apologize for my ignorance at this topic but it seems like it could be reasonable. Move up some of the top teams from D III and some bottom feeders from DI and you could have some competitive hockey games.
What about moving some teams to stock up D II I apologize for my ignorance at this topic but it seems like it could be reasonable. Move up some of the top teams from D III and some bottom feeders from DI and you could have some competitive hockey games.
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
However it's all $$$. Why should St. Cloud St. or Minnesota-Duluth leave the WCHA for the GLIAC? Why should Merrimack or Mass-Lowell leave HEA for the Northeast 10?
There are enough teams currently playing hockey in D II to stock a decent D-II championship. Trouble is they are playing D-1 (most of the WCHA) or the ECAC-E or NE. If the Canadian teams come into the NCAA, they play D-II. The NCAA has proposed legislation to eliminate the play-ups (except for the current schools), so there is another chance to stock the pool.
However it's all $$$. Why should St. Cloud St. or Minnesota-Duluth leave the WCHA for the GLIAC? Why should Merrimack or Mass-Lowell leave HEA for the Northeast 10?
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Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
I've written about SUNY-IT a number of times in my column. They are now a 4-year institution and were already members of the SUNYAC, but pulled out like Morrisville to join the NEAC.
And yes, they are seriously considering forming a hockey team once their new complex gets built, and now that the SUNYAC will allow associate membership like with Morrisville for hockey, it's a distinct possibility. Of course, with the economy nowadays, it may take longer to come about.
I've written about SUNY-IT a number of times in my column. They are now a 4-year institution and were already members of the SUNYAC, but pulled out like Morrisville to join the NEAC.
And yes, they are seriously considering forming a hockey team once their new complex gets built, and now that the SUNYAC will allow associate membership like with Morrisville for hockey, it's a distinct possibility. Of course, with the economy nowadays, it may take longer to come about.
CollegeHockey2591
New member
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
They also just lost to Assumption 3-2 and Southern New Hampshire 5-2. They did beat Franklin Pierce in OT though. I'm sure if they moved to DIII it would assist in their recruiting and they would be competitive.
They also just lost to Assumption 3-2 and Southern New Hampshire 5-2. They did beat Franklin Pierce in OT though. I'm sure if they moved to DIII it would assist in their recruiting and they would be competitive.
Celticusa46
New member
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Could some teams like Oswego, Plattsburgh, and St Norberts just to name three of the top of my head make a jump up to D II or would that be impossible
Could some teams like Oswego, Plattsburgh, and St Norberts just to name three of the top of my head make a jump up to D II or would that be impossible
Matthew Webb
Whiner.
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
As the rules stand, the only way it's possible is if they elect to move their entire athletic programs to DII.
As the rules stand, the only way it's possible is if they elect to move their entire athletic programs to DII.
Celticusa46
New member
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Ok thanks
Ok thanks
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Division II doesn't exist for D-III hockey basically. There are only a handful of teams that have programs and none of them are very good. There is no recognized NCAA championship, nor should there be for the 10? if that colleges that have teams.
I don't think any of the three teams you mention would make a jump up to a division that doesn't exist or to D-I for that matter.
With the rules that are in place now, you need athletic scholarships to be successful in Division I. The only way to be able to have athletic scholarships for teams that "play-up" (Ex: St. Lawrence, RPI, Clarkson, Colorado College etc.) is if you were grandfathered in, which all those programs were.
If you jump to D-I now, you have to bring the whole program up in order to be able to offer athletic scholarships. I don't know how fit Plattsburgh and St. Norbert's athletic programs are for a jump like that but I know for a fact Oswego is nowhere close.
The only legitimate sports they have are hockey and swimming and diving (but even that program has taken a hit recently) and many of the resources the school has are funnelled into the hockey program. The rest of the athletic teams are average at best and many are below average.
A jump to D-I would only make things worse.
Division II doesn't exist for D-III hockey basically. There are only a handful of teams that have programs and none of them are very good. There is no recognized NCAA championship, nor should there be for the 10? if that colleges that have teams.
I don't think any of the three teams you mention would make a jump up to a division that doesn't exist or to D-I for that matter.
With the rules that are in place now, you need athletic scholarships to be successful in Division I. The only way to be able to have athletic scholarships for teams that "play-up" (Ex: St. Lawrence, RPI, Clarkson, Colorado College etc.) is if you were grandfathered in, which all those programs were.
If you jump to D-I now, you have to bring the whole program up in order to be able to offer athletic scholarships. I don't know how fit Plattsburgh and St. Norbert's athletic programs are for a jump like that but I know for a fact Oswego is nowhere close.
The only legitimate sports they have are hockey and swimming and diving (but even that program has taken a hit recently) and many of the resources the school has are funnelled into the hockey program. The rest of the athletic teams are average at best and many are below average.
A jump to D-I would only make things worse.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Oh, no doubt if Canton went DIII, they would have some success. There is a long tradition of hockey success there, and a new facility will do wonders for their recruiting.
The only drawback is the same one Potsdam faces -- they will be in the shadows of a successful D1 program, in this case St. Lawrence.
Oh, no doubt if Canton went DIII, they would have some success. There is a long tradition of hockey success there, and a new facility will do wonders for their recruiting.
The only drawback is the same one Potsdam faces -- they will be in the shadows of a successful D1 program, in this case St. Lawrence.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Didn't the basketball team have some success recently (not the past year or two, but before that)?
Didn't the basketball team have some success recently (not the past year or two, but before that)?
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Some existing NCAA DIII schools that could, IMO, (if they wanted too) add hockey:
Lyndon State (VT), has ACHA Club Team - currently NCAA provisional member
Geneva College (PA), could play here.
Penn State Harrisburg, could start playing here.
Lancaster Bible College (PA), could start playing here.
Northwestern College (MN), St. Paul, MN might have a rink or two.
Some existing NCAA DIII schools that could, IMO, (if they wanted too) add hockey:
Lyndon State (VT), has ACHA Club Team - currently NCAA provisional member
Geneva College (PA), could play here.
Penn State Harrisburg, could start playing here.
Lancaster Bible College (PA), could start playing here.
Northwestern College (MN), St. Paul, MN might have a rink or two.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
The women's team did. I believe they went to the NCAA Tournament two years in a row and won the SUNYAC in 2006.
I'm not sure on the men. I'm pretty they havent won the SUNYAC in atleast the last four years not sure before that. The Oswego athletics webpage wasnt much help either...
The women's team did. I believe they went to the NCAA Tournament two years in a row and won the SUNYAC in 2006.
I'm not sure on the men. I'm pretty they havent won the SUNYAC in atleast the last four years not sure before that. The Oswego athletics webpage wasnt much help either...
nysportsfan29
Repping The 'Sweeg in JC
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Per the SUNYAC website, the men's team hasn't won a SUNYAC Crown since the 1960s. The women's one and only championship came in 05-06.
The men have finished 2nd or 3rd in the SUNYACs for the last 7 years or so. Last year they had a great opportunity as they had homecourt for the "final four" after the top 2 seeds fell, but played awful against 8 seed Brockport and lost before making it to the championship game. Their head coach for the last decade plus just left for his alma mater too so there may be a transition/rebuilding period now.
The women's team did. I believe they went to the NCAA Tournament two years in a row and won the SUNYAC in 2006.
I'm not sure on the men. I'm pretty they havent won the SUNYAC in atleast the last four years not sure before that. The Oswego athletics webpage wasnt much help either...
Per the SUNYAC website, the men's team hasn't won a SUNYAC Crown since the 1960s. The women's one and only championship came in 05-06.
The men have finished 2nd or 3rd in the SUNYACs for the last 7 years or so. Last year they had a great opportunity as they had homecourt for the "final four" after the top 2 seeds fell, but played awful against 8 seed Brockport and lost before making it to the championship game. Their head coach for the last decade plus just left for his alma mater too so there may be a transition/rebuilding period now.
cooperalls
Registered User
Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
Having seen the Canton team play I would have to say that they have a quality coach who seems to get the most out of the high school and low level Jr. B players on the roster. I have to imagine that the program would really move up in quality if they were to announce membership into the NCAA. I would like to believe that Morrisville and Canton would be a good game since Canon's #8 defensemen last year is dressing for Morrisville this year. They mainly got outshot badly in the last period of the Potsdam game but the radio commentator had mentioned that Potsdam was rotating 3 lines for most of the game while Canton was rolling 5 lines for just about the entire game.
Having seen the Canton team play I would have to say that they have a quality coach who seems to get the most out of the high school and low level Jr. B players on the roster. I have to imagine that the program would really move up in quality if they were to announce membership into the NCAA. I would like to believe that Morrisville and Canton would be a good game since Canon's #8 defensemen last year is dressing for Morrisville this year. They mainly got outshot badly in the last period of the Potsdam game but the radio commentator had mentioned that Potsdam was rotating 3 lines for most of the game while Canton was rolling 5 lines for just about the entire game.
Flashy Man
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Re: Teams that should look at joining DIII after the moratorium is lifted
This thread may be useful to you guys.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85164
This thread may be useful to you guys.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?t=85164