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Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Old Pio

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The American people have been reacting with outrage to the latest excesses of the TSA: sexual assaults of nuns, handicapped children, senior citizens and happy go lucky college kids--all explained away as "keeping us safe from terrorists." Bollocks!

The premise of our "security" system is that the risk of terrorism is evenly spread through the traveling public. Thus, young dudes from middle eastern countries wearing "Osama Rocks" tees are deemed as much of a threat as 3 year old girls. Why? Because we don't want to run the risk of being accused of "profiling" people based on their ethnicity or religion. Consequently, we've established protocols where you either have to pose for a nude picture or submit yourself to a sexual assault if you want to fly. This is madness, and more importantly, doesn't make us any safer.

The Israelis manage to provide the best security in the world for air travelers in their country, without this elaborate "security theatre." They profile passengers, and although ethnicity is part of the mix, it is not the only consideration in determining who may represent an unacceptable risk. They haven't had a single terrorist attempt on any of their flights to my knowledge.

By now I assume we've all seen the chilling footage of TSA women (who look surprisingly like the giant butch matron in the prison movie "Caged") fondling that kicking and screaming 3 year old girl. That was difficult to watch and even more difficult to reconcile with our values.

In recent days the stories of TSA outrages have flooded the internet: the cancer survivor lady forced to reveal her prosthetic breast, the cancer survivor gentleman whose urostomy tube was dislodged during a search (despite repeated efforts on his part to warn them) which caused him the humilitation of having to fly with his clothes made wet by his own urine because he didn't have time to clean himself up in the airport, the handicapped 14 year old wheelchair bound girl forced to undergo an exploration of her crotch. And on and on.

It's as if the federal government has turned loose 65 thousand Barney Fifes on the traveling public, all of whom have no fear or concern about crossing any line. Because, "we're here to combat terrorism, and any humiliating thing we can think up you have to submit to, period." Based on the ones I've encountered, the vast majority of these people aren't fit to be men's room attendants--"can I brush the dandruff off your shoulders, sir?'

The fact is, TSA has not stopped a single terrorist act, nor uncovered a single terrorist. They like to brag about the thousands of contraband nail clippers and bottles of Jack Daniels they've confiscated, but there's no evidence anybody carrying those items was planning a terrorist attack.

We are in a re-active mode: the 9/11 highjackers used box cutters--we scan for box cutters. Richard Reid tried to use a shoe bomb--we make passengers take off their shoes. Some potential terrorists were planning to use liquid explosives--now you can't take Lavoris on your flight. The "panty bomber" had explosives in his underwear--now you either submit to a nude photo session or get sexually assaulted. We're always one step behind, while they are always one step ahead. The record indicates they've never used the same method twice. They're always looking for new ways to kill us, while we are focusing on the previous ways they've tried to kill us.

And our leaders seem to think we're too stupid to see and understand what's going on here. Janet Napolitano pronounced the panty bomber episode as an example of the "system working." Really? He got the bomb on the plane and was attempting to detonate it when it failed to work and caught fire, rather than exploding. This is the "system working?" God help us all.

These new imaging machines can't (as I understand it) pick up explosives stored in body cavities. And notwithstanding assurances that the images can't be retained, we've already had US Marshalls busted for doing exactly that. Having nude images of well known people on the internet is inevitable.

We know who the terrorists are. We can pretty easily identify people who are far more likely to be terrorists than 3 year old girls. So why don't we start there instead of wasting the time and money treating everyone as a potential terrorist? It's expensive, inefficient, un-American and virtually ensures that we'll be victimized again, even as we pat ourselves on the back for our sensitivities. We cannot rely on luck much longer.
 
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Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Like anything, only those with bad experiences are going to come out and say anything. So while those people certainly didn't deserve the experience they had, I think it's a bit early to say that's the norm for body searches of people who refuse scanning. Better training and screening of employees in the TSA is a more likely solution.

Also, the only way legally to resist the TSA would be to not fly at all. Or for the airport itself to not use them, which I think 1 airport is trying. I'm not sure how thats going to go. I can't imagine very well.
 
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When I saw the video of the three year old I thought, hey this kid is a huge brat and her parents should be ashamed. She was barely being touched.

I hate this era of whiners. Guess what, Israel doesn't have our Constitutional protections. If you hate America so much, move to a country with less guaranteed liberties.

We have no right to fly without security checkpoints. You know how you avoid this? Don't fly.

Done and done.

The saddest thing is it used to be just liberals who created new rights, now we have conservatives infected with the same stupidity.

Do you know how many people fly into and through Israel? Compare that to the United States. It's not even close.

Oh and we know who the terrorists are and what they look like.

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Oh wait, you just meant the Muslim ones.

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Ohhh you just mean the brown Muslims! Got it! Oh and racially profiling the Sikhs because they wear Turbans even though they're not Muslims!

Want to keep going?
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

So is this about sexual assault or about racial profiling? This thread strikes me as the Internet equivalent of proposing a law that broadens the power of the federal government to do all sorts of domestic information-gathering and then calling it the "Patriot Act".
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

You miss the point almost entirely. The entire premise of how we "protect" ourselves from terrorists is flawed, and an invitation for them to figure out new ways to kill us. They've recently bragged about "a death of a thousand cuts," meaning smaller attacks instead of more spectacular efforts. They had a rehersal with the toner cartridges. As usual, we're going to ban toner cartridges. Good, that'll stop 'em. You act as if this is a customer relations problem. It isn't. It's a giant violation of the 4th amendment, carried on from coast to coast, every single day, all in the name of "protecting" us, which it certainly doesn't. The fact that more people don't complain is not an endorsement or justification for these outrageous, unconstitutional, and ineffective measures. It's just a measurement of how much like sheep we've all become at the hands of the mighty (in this case) federal government. You may not mind having Janet Napolitano's hands in your pants, but I assure you millions of Americans do mind.
 
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Except its not an unreasonable search when you refuse to submit to the regular security measures.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

So is this about sexual assault or about racial profiling? This thread strikes me as the Internet equivalent of proposing a law that broadens the power of the federal government to do all sorts of domestic information-gathering and then calling it the "Patriot Act".

I'm not sure what your point is here, except maybe "it's Bush's fault," or something. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

When I saw the video of the three year old I thought, hey this kid is a huge brat and her parents should be ashamed. She was barely being touched.

I hate this era of whiners. Guess what, Israel doesn't have our Constitutional protections. If you hate America so much, move to a country with less guaranteed liberties.

We have no right to fly without security checkpoints. You know how you avoid this? Don't fly.

Done and done.

The saddest thing is it used to be just liberals who created new rights, now we have conservatives infected with the same stupidity.

Do you know how many people fly into and through Israel? Compare that to the United States. It's not even close.

Oh and we know who the terrorists are and what they look like.

timothy-mcveigh-1-sized.jpg


Oh wait, you just meant the Muslim ones.

gadahn-inside.jpg


Ohhh you just mean the brown Muslims! Got it! Oh and racially profiling the Sikhs because they wear Turbans even though they're not Muslims!

Want to keep going?

Is this silly response an example of "nuance?" Come on now, you can do better than this.
 
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The American people have been reacting with outrage to the latest excesses of the TSA: sexual assaults of nuns, handicapped children, senior citizens and happy go lucky college kids--all explained away as "keeping us safe from terrorists." Bollocks!

The premise of our "security" system is that the risk of terrorism is evenly spread through the traveling public. Thus, young dudes from middle eastern countries wearing "Osama Rocks" tees are deemed as much of a threat as 3 year old girls. Why? Because we don't want to run the risk of being accused of "profiling" people based on their ethnicity or religion. Consequently, we've established protocols where you either have to pose for a nude picture or submit yourself to a sexual assault if you want to fly. This is madness, and more importantly, doesn't make us any safer.

The Israelis manage to provide the best security in the world for air travelers in their country, without this elaborate "security theatre." They profile passengers, and although ethnicity is part of the mix, it is not the only consideration in determining who may represent an unacceptable risk. They haven't had a single terrorist attempt on any of their flights to my knowledge.

By now I assume we've all seen the chilling footage of TSA women (who look surprisingly like the giant butch matron in the prison movie "Caged") fondling that kicking and screaming 3 year old girl. That was difficult to watch and even more difficult to reconcile with our values.

In recent days the stories of TSA outrages have flooded the internet: the cancer survivor lady forced to reveal her prosthetic breast, the cancer survivor gentleman whose urostomy tube was dislodged during a search (despite repeated efforts on his part to warn them) which caused him the humilitation of having to fly with his clothes made wet by his own urine because he didn't have time to clean himself up in the airport, the handicapped 14 year old wheelchair bound girl forced to undergo an exploration of her crotch. And on and on.

It's as if the federal government has turned loose 65 thousand Barney Fifes on the traveling public, all of whom have no fear or concern about crossing any line. Because, "we're here to combat terrorism, and any humiliating thing we can think up you have to submit to, period." Based on the ones I've encountered, the vast majority of these people aren't fit to be men's room attendants--"can I brush the dandruff off your shoulders, sir?'

The fact is, TSA has not stopped a single terrorist act, nor uncovered a single terrorist. They like to brag about the thousands of contraband nail clippers and bottles of Jack Daniels they've confiscated, but there's no evidence anybody carrying those items was planning a terrorist attack.

We are in a re-active mode: the 9/11 highjackers used box cutters--we scan for box cutters. Richard Reid tried to use a shoe bomb--we make passengers take off their shoes. Some potential terrorists were planning to use liquid explosives--now you can't take Lavoris on your flight. The "panty bomber" had explosives in his underwear--now you either submit to a nude photo session or get sexually assaulted. We're always one step behind, while they are always one step ahead. The record indicates they've never used the same method twice. They're always looking for new ways to kill us, while we are focusing on the previous ways they've tried to kill us.

And our leaders seem to think we're too stupid to see and understand what's going on here. Janet Napolitano pronounced the panty bomber episode as an example of the "system working." Really? He got the bomb on the plane and was attempting to detonate it when it failed to work and caught fire, rather than exploding. This is the "system working?" God help us all.

These new imaging machines can't (as I understand it) pick up explosives stored in body cavities. And notwithstanding assurances that the images can't be retained, we've already had US Marshalls busted for doing exactly that. Having nude images of well known people on the internet is inevitable.

We know who the terrorists are. We can pretty easily identify people who are far more likely to be terrorists than 3 year old girls. So why don't we start there instead of wasting the time and money treating everyone as a potential terrorist? It's expensive, inefficient, un-American and virtually ensures that we'll be victimized again, even as we pat ourselves on the back for our sensitivities. We cannot rely on luck much longer.

Poor baby.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Except its not an unreasonable search when you refuse to submit to the regular security measures.



Ding ding ding... Go through the appropriate measures and you won't have any problems...
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Is there ANY limit to what these clods can do in the name of "security?"
You maintain the right to not fly if you disapprove of the methods used. If no one flies, because they all agree with you, then the system will either have to change or it will fail. So either way, you will have successfully stopped their practices.
 
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Just so I'm on the same page here... The reason for the pat down style search is basically a refusal of the body scanner, correct? I don't see what the harm in the scanner is, especially given the alternative...
 
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You maintain the right to not fly if you disapprove of the methods used. If no one flies, because they all agree with you, then the system will either have to change or it will fail. So either way, you will have successfully stopped their practices.

Actually, the airlines are very concerned that millions of Americans HAVE chosen not to fly, and it's cost them billions of dollars.
It's like the TSA bully who held a news conference after Tyner told those imbeciles "don't touch my junk" and announced they may pursue fines and other punishments for him speaking up. Higher ups in TSA quickly distanced themselves from that outrage.

What I'm seeing here is the standard "progressive" approach to govenement excess and ineptitude: "there is no such thing as government excess and ineptitude."
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Just so I'm on the same page here... The reason for the pat down style search is basically a refusal of the body scanner, correct? I don't see what the harm in the scanner is, especially given the alternative...
Right, you can also just request a search (same as refusal). Almost no one is asked to use the scanner in the first place. The old detectors are still used most of the time.

Those who fail the standard detectors are the most common people asked to use a scanner.

Actually, the airlines are very concerned that millions of Americans HAVE chosen not to fly, and it's cost them billions of dollars.
It's like the TSA bully who held a news conference after Tyner told those imbeciles "don't touch my junk" and announced they may pursue fines and other punishments for him speaking up. Higher ups in TSA quickly distanced themselves from that outrage.

What I'm seeing here is the standard "progressive" approach to govenement excess and ineptitude: "there is no such thing as government excess and ineptitude."
I agree our government is very inept, I just realize that I should be more concerned with things that actually matter. This isn't one of those things.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Just so I'm on the same page here... The reason for the pat down style search is basically a refusal of the body scanner, correct? I don't see what the harm in the scanner is, especially given the alternative...

That would be the choice I would make, since I'm confident a nude photo of me wouldn't be stroke material for the defectives who infest TSA. But that's not really the issue. Chosing a bad procedure over a worse procedure is a Hobsons choice. And the larger issue, which you all have ignored is: how effective is the TSA? No terrorists captured. No plots uncovered. But lots of contraband Jack Danials confiscated.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

Right, you can also just request a search (same as refusal). Almost no one is asked to use the scanner in the first place. The old detectors are still used most of the time.

Those who fail the standard detectors are the most common people asked to use a scanner.

I agree our government is very inept, I just realize that I should be more concerned with things that actually matter. This isn't one of those things.

I guess we'll have to wait to see what your response is when they blow an airliner out of the sky using some method we're not screening for and we're still not looking for the people who actually carry out these attacks.
 
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

That would be the choice I would make, since I'm confident a nude photo of me wouldn't be stroke material for the defectives who infest TSA. But that's not really the issue. Chosing a bad procedure over a worse procedure is a Hobsons choice. And the larger issue, which you all have ignored is: how effective is the TSA? No terrorists captured. No plots uncovered. But lots of contraband Jack Danials confiscated.

It's pretty naive to say "well since they haven't caught anyone yet, we don't need them". Yet that seems to be the basis of your argument. You don't offer much in the way of solutions. Which is pretty standard for these kind of rants.

I guess we'll have to wait to see what your response is when they blow an airliner out of the sky using some method we're not screening for and we're still not looking for the people who actually carry out these attacks.
This will ALWAYS be the case, no matter what systems are in place for security. There is no fail safe plan, and there never will be.
 
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Gloria Allred thinks you should sit back and enjoy your groping.
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