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Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
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Driftryder
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
I doubt Rau really wanted to injure Zucker, yes it was stupid and warranted the 5 min and a game, but intent to injure... doubtful.
I doubt Rau really wanted to injure Zucker, yes it was stupid and warranted the 5 min and a game, but intent to injure... doubtful.
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Of course you doubt it. And you'd give that same benefit of the doubt to someone who took a run at one of your guys, right? "Stupid," eh? But not "wrong." Just "stupid."
Of course you doubt it. And you'd give that same benefit of the doubt to someone who took a run at one of your guys, right? "Stupid," eh? But not "wrong." Just "stupid."
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
This is what psyhologists call an approach avoidance conflict. On the one hand, I'd hate to see any Gopher star (or any player, for that matter, injured). On the other hand, I would surely enjoy listening to the high pitched whining coming out of Gopherland if some punk took out one of your front line players.
The notion that what Geof Paukovich did to a player on another team before Zucker became a Pioneer somehow justifies or explains what that gutless punk Rau did last night is so childish, so irrelevant and, frankly, so stupid as to require only a minimum effort to swat it down.
This is what psyhologists call an approach avoidance conflict. On the one hand, I'd hate to see any Gopher star (or any player, for that matter, injured). On the other hand, I would surely enjoy listening to the high pitched whining coming out of Gopherland if some punk took out one of your front line players.
The notion that what Geof Paukovich did to a player on another team before Zucker became a Pioneer somehow justifies or explains what that gutless punk Rau did last night is so childish, so irrelevant and, frankly, so stupid as to require only a minimum effort to swat it down.
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trixR4kids
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
I love how pioneers homers are playing this hit up to ridiculous levels. "AND THEN RAU SKATED FULL SPEED AT HIM FROM BEHIND AND SMASHED HIM WITH A TIRE IRON!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT PUNK!"
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
What goes around comes around.
What goes around comes around.
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
I think those saying Rau was out to "deliberately injury DU's star" are seeing what they want rather than what happened (just as a couple Gopher fans are guilty of the other way).
It was a reckless and dangerous hit. The intent was definitely to get under Zuckers skin or in his head. He crossed the line in doing so. Making the jump to say he was out to injure Zucker is a gigantic leap. Crossing the line with the physical play and deliberately trying to injure aren't the same thing. Just ask any Sioux player
Look, Rau has no history of this kind of thing; not just in his college career but at any level he has played at. And I'll repeat, that's not meant to excuse the play or take Rau off the hook. The suspension is just in my eyes. It is simply to say that in Rau's career as a hockey player, this incident was an aberration and not part of a pattern.
Hopefully Rau learns from this and this incident will be a single stain on his history rather than 1 of a few. If he does, the small glimmer of a silver lining is that it didn't take another Jesse Martin, Robbie Bina or Jack Jablonski type incident. Little solace to those involved with the DU program, I know.
I also, as so many other WCHA fans have expressed in this thread, hope the WCHA begins dealing with these types of hits with consistency along the hard line taken with Rau. It would be good for the conference. Players need to know that if they step over that line and pose an unnecessary risk to another player (whether potential or realized), they WILL be held accountable by the league. Regardless of who the endangered or injured player is.
I think those saying Rau was out to "deliberately injury DU's star" are seeing what they want rather than what happened (just as a couple Gopher fans are guilty of the other way).
It was a reckless and dangerous hit. The intent was definitely to get under Zuckers skin or in his head. He crossed the line in doing so. Making the jump to say he was out to injure Zucker is a gigantic leap. Crossing the line with the physical play and deliberately trying to injure aren't the same thing. Just ask any Sioux player
Look, Rau has no history of this kind of thing; not just in his college career but at any level he has played at. And I'll repeat, that's not meant to excuse the play or take Rau off the hook. The suspension is just in my eyes. It is simply to say that in Rau's career as a hockey player, this incident was an aberration and not part of a pattern.
Hopefully Rau learns from this and this incident will be a single stain on his history rather than 1 of a few. If he does, the small glimmer of a silver lining is that it didn't take another Jesse Martin, Robbie Bina or Jack Jablonski type incident. Little solace to those involved with the DU program, I know.
I also, as so many other WCHA fans have expressed in this thread, hope the WCHA begins dealing with these types of hits with consistency along the hard line taken with Rau. It would be good for the conference. Players need to know that if they step over that line and pose an unnecessary risk to another player (whether potential or realized), they WILL be held accountable by the league. Regardless of who the endangered or injured player is.
trixR4kids
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Yeah except our players aren't made of glass like Zucker and can take a hit. One that really wasn't all that malicious and happens in more hockey games than not. The hits on Crosby that gave him a concussion were probably worse and neither warranted a suspension from the league.
Yeah except our players aren't made of glass like Zucker and can take a hit. One that really wasn't all that malicious and happens in more hockey games than not. The hits on Crosby that gave him a concussion were probably worse and neither warranted a suspension from the league.
Slap Shot
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
I have watched the replay in real time and you can argue the hit wasn't late all you want, he still took too many strides and imho the 5 and game were probably warranted. I'm on the fence about him having to sit tonight but I'm not flabbergasted in the least.
As for some others, call me a homer for saying I don't think it's fair to claim Rau is a punk after one incident. If he does something like this again I'll concede.
I have watched the replay in real time and you can argue the hit wasn't late all you want, he still took too many strides and imho the 5 and game were probably warranted. I'm on the fence about him having to sit tonight but I'm not flabbergasted in the least.
As for some others, call me a homer for saying I don't think it's fair to claim Rau is a punk after one incident. If he does something like this again I'll concede.
mnstate0fhockey
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I think those saying Rau was out to "deliberately injury DU's star" are seeing what they want rather than what happened (just as a couple Gopher fans are guilty of the other way).
It was a reckless and dangerous hit. The intent was definitely to get under Zuckers skin or in his head. He crossed the line in doing so. Making the jump to say he was out to injure Zucker is a gigantic leap. Crossing the line with the physical play and deliberately trying to injure aren't the same thing. Just ask any Sioux player
Look, Rau has no history of this kind of thing; not just in his college career but at any level he has played at. And I'll repeat, that's not meant to excuse the play or take Rau off the hook. The suspension is just in my eyes. It is simply to say that in Rau's career as a hockey player, this incident was an aberration and not part of a pattern.
Hopefully Rau learns from this and this incident will be a single stain on his history rather than 1 of a few. If he does, the small glimmer of a silver lining is that it didn't take another Jesse Martin, Robbie Bina or Jack Jablonski type incident. Little solace to those involved with the DU program, I know.
I also, as so many other WCHA fans have expressed in this thread, hope the WCHA begins dealing with these types of hits with consistency along the hard line taken with Rau. It would be good for the conference. Players need to know that if they step over that line and pose an unnecessary risk to another player (whether potential or realized), they WILL be held accountable by the league. Regardless of who the endangered or injured player is.
If the league is consistent from this point out, I will agree with everything you said. However, considering the fact that they weren't even consistent with equally dangerous hits ON THE SAME NIGHT as Rau's, I'm not holding my breathe.
Rau getting 5+ the game? I am 1,000% on board with that. The punishment was justified, and they have been calling those types of hits somewhat CONSISTENTLY close.
Rau getting a DQ? If the league consistently punishes these types of hits with that penalty, then I have no problem with it. I think the league has consistently shown that these types of hits DO NOT warrant this penalty this year (even on hits the same night), and THAT is what I have a problem with.
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
I concur. We almost lost Jesse last year. His doctor said the boy had "won the lottery twice" because he wasn't dead and he wasn't paralyzed. Speaking only for myself, I'm probably a little sensitive. But IMO that doesn't explain what seems to me to be an overly legalistic, decidedly empathy free reaction from the Gopher fans who post here.
I think those saying Rau was out to "deliberately injury DU's star" are seeing what they want rather than what happened (just as a couple Gopher fans are guilty of the other way).
It was a reckless and dangerous hit. The intent was definitely to get under Zuckers skin or in his head. He crossed the line in doing so. Making the jump to say he was out to injure Zucker is a gigantic leap. Crossing the line with the physical play and deliberately trying to injure aren't the same thing. Just ask any Sioux player
Look, Rau has no history of this kind of thing; not just in his college career but at any level he has played at. And I'll repeat, that's not meant to excuse the play or take Rau off the hook. The suspension is just in my eyes. It is simply to say that in Rau's career as a hockey player, this incident was an aberration and not part of a pattern.
Hopefully Rau learns from this and this incident will be a single stain on his history rather than 1 of a few. If he does, the small glimmer of a silver lining is that it didn't take another Jesse Martin, Robbie Bina or Jack Jablonski type incident. Little solace to those involved with the DU program, I know.
I also, as so many other WCHA fans have expressed in this thread, hope the WCHA begins dealing with these types of hits with consistency along the hard line taken with Rau. It would be good for the conference. Players need to know that if they step over that line and pose an unnecessary risk to another player (whether potential or realized), they WILL be held accountable by the league. Regardless of who the endangered or injured player is.
I concur. We almost lost Jesse last year. His doctor said the boy had "won the lottery twice" because he wasn't dead and he wasn't paralyzed. Speaking only for myself, I'm probably a little sensitive. But IMO that doesn't explain what seems to me to be an overly legalistic, decidedly empathy free reaction from the Gopher fans who post here.
huskyfan
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
it no way justifies anything on ice. it justifies the Minnesota fans. didn't hear much out of the DU fans on Paukovich's hit.
it no way justifies anything on ice. it justifies the Minnesota fans. didn't hear much out of the DU fans on Paukovich's hit.
mnstate0fhockey
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Save it. We all want to prevent injuries, but vilifying an 18 year old kid playing in the heat of the moment and calling him a "punk" is outside the lines. I've known the kid since he was a squirt and I'm "sensitive" to your callous remarks.
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Then you weren't paying attention, which doesn't surprise me. Please remember your attitude here when something bad happens to one of your guys.
Then you weren't paying attention, which doesn't surprise me. Please remember your attitude here when something bad happens to one of your guys.
trixR4kids
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
He took too many strides but ended up gliding into him. I would agree that the hit was pointless and only served to intimidate but until we adopt USA hockey rules that isn't technically illegal. 5 minutes, sure. A game on top of that is pushing it and a suspension just goes to show that the WCHA makes decisions something like this:
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Oh, I "know" the kid and he couldn't possibly be a "punk." He just did a punk like thing. Tell me what the parameters here, because I certainly don't want to misjudge him or be callous. I'm not vilyfying him, I'm calling a spade a spade. I suppose on some philosophical level you could argue that just because somebody does something punk like it doesn't mean he's actually a punk. Nevertheless, I still say he's a punk. And a gutless one at that.
BTW, while you Gopher bunker dwellers continue to defend the indefensible, we still don't know the nature of Zuker's injury. For all we know, he could be out for the season. But the important thing to remember is this doofus "knows" the kid and he's not a punk. The important thing is protecting the punk's reputation, not the injury to another player. Priorities. Priorities.
Oh, I "know" the kid and he couldn't possibly be a "punk." He just did a punk like thing. Tell me what the parameters here, because I certainly don't want to misjudge him or be callous. I'm not vilyfying him, I'm calling a spade a spade. I suppose on some philosophical level you could argue that just because somebody does something punk like it doesn't mean he's actually a punk. Nevertheless, I still say he's a punk. And a gutless one at that.
BTW, while you Gopher bunker dwellers continue to defend the indefensible, we still don't know the nature of Zuker's injury. For all we know, he could be out for the season. But the important thing to remember is this doofus "knows" the kid and he's not a punk. The important thing is protecting the punk's reputation, not the injury to another player. Priorities. Priorities.
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mnstate0fhockey
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NO ONE is defending the decision he made or what he did. You're just the only one hurling verbal insults at an 18-year old kid.
trixR4kids
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Look I felt bad when Jesse Martin got knocked out by Brad Malone on a vicious hit to the head. Or when Genoway got injured by a hit from behind. This wasn't even close to that.
Look I felt bad when Jesse Martin got knocked out by Brad Malone on a vicious hit to the head. Or when Genoway got injured by a hit from behind. This wasn't even close to that.
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Okay, so now the punk's age is relevant. Maybe somebody ought to keep a list of these paramaters for criticizing him. "No one is defending?" Seriously? What the h*ll are you doing?
Okay, so now the punk's age is relevant. Maybe somebody ought to keep a list of these paramaters for criticizing him. "No one is defending?" Seriously? What the h*ll are you doing?
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Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!
Zuker's just lucky. Stretched yourself emotionally, did you? "Felt bad?" Jesse had his neck broken and somehow managed to live through it. What happened to him was infinitely more than being "knocked out."
Zuker's just lucky. Stretched yourself emotionally, did you? "Felt bad?" Jesse had his neck broken and somehow managed to live through it. What happened to him was infinitely more than being "knocked out."
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