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St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyond?

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

vicb said:
I did not see the first period but did see periods 2 and 3 on the SLU feed. Great HI DEF broadcast and I really enjoyed the announcer and color guy. Who were they? As for the part that I saw, SLU had their chances and did not capitalize, especially on the 5 min major in the 3rd. 4th Clarkson goal was a laser by Zarbo but I think Wenninger should have had it. I don't care what anyone says, this rivalry is as good as any in college hockey. So, I am sure Got6 will now tell us all how the refs screwed SLU out of this one. Let the ****ing and moaning and WA WA WA WA begin. LGT
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Several thought here Vic. Clarkson was the better team. The difference was the PK by Clarkson and the lack of a PK by SLU tonight as well as last night. As to the referees???? They had more on their hands than they could handle. When two teams play with that much hate on....I'm not sure NHL referee's could handle it. We have only ourselves to blame for tonight. IMO we played only one period and were absent the rest of the game.
I don't know who the announcers were....my guess is students? Wally and Greg Lapinski did the radio but this is the first time I have watched our feed with these announcers. I thought they (unlike last night from what I heard) were very fair and objective.

Like you I did not see the game last night....but good thing Greg Carey is a Saint because tonight he showed the patience of one. Your boys mauled him constantly. Putting a guy on someone is one thing....but if the referee's called everything they should have (both ways) there wouldn't be players left on the ice.

TimU said:
Well.

You don't have to like the way Clarkson played tonight, but there is no way in the world SLU deserved to win. Very disappointing.
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I agree with you on both counts Tim. I DID NOT LIKE the way Clarkson played...and we did not deserve to win. We lost to a better team and were outplayed.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Ok, I want to talk about attendance figures and not the game. Who's with me???

The Saints lost 2 one goal games to the 10th ranked team in the country. There is no shame in that. They can't afford to have their heads down and need to move on. Let's not forget that Yale lost 3 games last year to the Q until they won one.

If the Saints keep their heads up and focus on looking ahead, they'll have another chance at Clarkson.

Practice starts on Monday and they need to focus on the University of Vermont (UVM) now for next week.
 
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Spaceman said:
Ok, I want to talk about attendance figures and not the game. Who's with me???

The Saints lost 2 one goal games to the 10th ranked team in the country. There is no shame in that. They can't afford to have their heads down and need to move on. Let's not forget that Yale lost 3 games last year to the Q until they won one.

If the Saints keep their heads up and focus on looking ahead, they'll have another chance at Clarkson.

Practice starts on Monday and they need to focus on the University of Vermont (UVM) now for next week.
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Well, that's cheerful Tayt. I've never liked calling players out. I'll just say that two guys on the defensive side of things did not play well tonight.

Clarkson is much better than I expected. I didn't expect them to be this good after last year, but they played well and the PK made me envious. I bet they won 75% of the faceoffs tonight too. SLU has a ways to go to be a contender. I don't think Clarkson is as good as Yale, Q-Pac or probably even Union, but we aren't as good as Clarkson right now. We have won 2 out of our last 8. There's something wrong. We are better than that and need to figure it out.

I'll say this...great call by the Clarkson coach switching goalies. That was a difference maker. Coach earned his paycheck this weekend with that move and the coaching on the PK.
 
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Spaceman said:
Ok, I want to talk about attendance figures and not the game. Who's with me???

The Saints lost 2 one goal games to the 10th ranked team in the country. There is no shame in that. They can't afford to have their heads down and need to move on. Let's not forget that Yale lost 3 games last year to the Q until they won one.

If the Saints keep their heads up and focus on looking ahead, they'll have another chance at Clarkson.

Practice starts on Monday and they need to focus on the University of Vermont (UVM) now for next week.
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The better team got 4 points and it was not us. The team has to learn from this and move forward. Very disappointing, but there's still plenty of hockey to be played. We may see CCT again at some point this season.

I think a concern is 3-straight league losses at home and the number of GA's in each. If we don't fix that, we will end up about where we are now, at .500.

As for attendance, haven't seen the number yet but I bet everybody in the NC put on 50 lbs. after the game in Cheel. :)
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

My take on things ...

I wanted to post immediately after the game and let me tell you I was enraged, but I thought the better of it and decided to make the two hour drive home first to cool off and think about it. First off, I will point out that the crowd was FANTASTIC tonight!!! Appleton was rocking in the first two minutes when we scored those two goals, man was it loud in there!!! Very pleased from that respect!

The bad ... Well, if it was even remotely possible we got even worse defensively this weekend and now so far off from a good defensive team it's not even funny. Back to square one because obviously something is not working from that end of the ice. On a small note, the game winning goal was a really soft goal let in by Wenninger and he has definitely had his fair share of those this season, for whatever reason, but I will leave that issue alone.

Anywho, the Carey's were great as always, especially Greg. He had the Clarkson team literally all over him all night and he still managed to get a goal and two assists. He is one incredible player 100% worthy of all the praise he receives. Also, the refs were much better tonight than at Cheel, MUCH better. Yeah they missed a few both ways, but considering the immense pressure put on them to try and contain that rivalry, hats off to them ...

Finally, yes absolutely it's beyond very disappointing continuously losing to Clarkson over and over again, year after year. I was so upset after the game was done that I knew if I posted here immediately afterwords that it wouldn't be pretty, for real! Glad I did wait because it really got me thinking, what good does it do to let it get me that upset. It's just one game, I can't go out there and control the play and win one for the team. Gotta have faith and try and persevere as a fan when the team is trying to do the same on the ice. Hoping we can turn this around and get headed back in the right direction. I know we can and we did the same thing last year. This team has loads of talent and loads of talent coming in, we will have many more cracks at Clarkson and trust me they will get what they deserve. In the meantime, keep working hard Saints and good things are bound to happen ... Let's Go Saints!!!
 
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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Just wanted to mention 'those tool' at Clarkson. I happened to listen to the broadcast at Clarkson on Friday and, while disappointed in what Bartell said about Carey, Bartell did say how classy Carvel, Hurlbut and Mayotte along with the staff are. Did he go over the line?? Probably, but no worse than 'our' announcers. At the same time, I've not heard anything but positive about Ahlfield and have met Bartell on occasions in the rink. It was a heated moment and, for sure, we're upset that Greg was put on the spotlight. I've never heard anything but positive things about SLU from Ahlfield and, do enjoy listening to both games when I can. It's great that there are two quality broadcast teams in the North Country! Sad to see the result at Appleton tonight, I thought our PP would do more given how much opportunity they had. To put this to rest, I heard (when I could as they had some broacast problems) NO complaining about either major call. I think it was Bob that said Moore's hit was a penalty and Bartell agreed, saying that last year it wasn't the case, but the players had to adjust.

Anyway, GO SAINTS!!! These losses will lead to greater things later !!
 
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NorthCountrySaint said:
Just wanted to mention 'those tool' at Clarkson. I happened to listen to the broadcast at Clarkson on Friday and, while disappointed in what Bartell said about Carey, Bartell did say how classy Carvel, Hurlbut and Mayotte along with the staff are. Did he go over the line?? Probably, but no worse than 'our' announcers. At the same time, I've not heard anything but positive about Ahlfield and have met Bartell on occasions in the rink. It was a heated moment and, for sure, we're upset that Greg was put on the spotlight. I've never heard anything but positive things about SLU from Ahlfield and, do enjoy listening to both games when I can. It's great that there are two quality broadcast teams in the North Country! Sad to see the result at Appleton tonight, I thought our PP would do more given how much opportunity they had. To put this to rest, I heard (when I could as they had some broacast problems) NO complaining about either major call. I think it was Bob that said Moore's hit was a penalty and Bartell agreed, saying that last year it wasn't the case, but the players had to adjust.

Anyway, GO SAINTS!!! These losses will lead to greater things later !!
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I agree with everything you posted ... Welcome to USCHO Fan Forum, good to see another Saints fan join us here ... Glad to have you! :)
 
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Spaceman said:
The Saints lost 2 one goal games to the 10th ranked team in the country. There is no shame in that.
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However . . .

SLU was the better team for 90 seconds last night. From that point on, what happened? Over the course of 58 minutes, Clarkson was hit with two 5-minute majors, two game misconducts, one 10-minute misconduct, and several minor penalties. What did SLU do against that team? Get outscored 4-1. #10 or not, that's bad.

Spaceman said:
If the Saints keep their heads up and focus on looking ahead, they'll have another chance at Clarkson.

Practice starts on Monday and they need to focus on the University of Vermont (UVM) now for next week.
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Agreed. I think they need to own up to this weekend, but then put it in the past.
 
NorthCountrySaint said:
Just wanted to mention 'those tool' at Clarkson. I happened to listen to the broadcast at Clarkson on Friday and, while disappointed in what Bartell said about Carey, Bartell did say how classy Carvel, Hurlbut and Mayotte along with the staff are. Did he go over the line?? Probably, but no worse than 'our' announcers. At the same time, I've not heard anything but positive about Ahlfield and have met Bartell on occasions in the rink. It was a heated moment and, for sure, we're upset that Greg was put on the spotlight. I've never heard anything but positive things about SLU from Ahlfield and, do enjoy listening to both games when I can. It's great that there are two quality broadcast teams in the North Country! Sad to see the result at Appleton tonight, I thought our PP would do more given how much opportunity they had. To put this to rest, I heard (when I could as they had some broacast problems) NO complaining about either major call. I think it was Bob that said Moore's hit was a penalty and Bartell agreed, saying that last year it wasn't the case, but the players had to adjust.

Anyway, GO SAINTS!!! These losses will lead to greater things later !!
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Two things: Bartell did not make a "heated comment", He went on a libelous five minute diatribe that went way over the line and ought to have him taken off the air --- no matter how many nice things he said about our coaching staff. And second, I do give his partner Ahlfield plenty of credit. He did not take the bait. He stayed professional and kept right on going without trashing Carey.
 
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NorthCountrySaint said:
Just wanted to mention 'those tool' at Clarkson. I happened to listen to the broadcast at Clarkson on Friday and, while disappointed in what Bartell said about Carey, Bartell did say how classy Carvel, Hurlbut and Mayotte along with the staff are. Did he go over the line?? Probably, but no worse than 'our' announcers. At the same time, I've not heard anything but positive about Ahlfield and have met Bartell on occasions in the rink. It was a heated moment and, for sure, we're upset that Greg was put on the spotlight. I've never heard anything but positive things about SLU from Ahlfield and, do enjoy listening to both games when I can. It's great that there are two quality broadcast teams in the North Country! Sad to see the result at Appleton tonight, I thought our PP would do more given how much opportunity they had. To put this to rest, I heard (when I could as they had some broacast problems) NO complaining about either major call. I think it was Bob that said Moore's hit was a penalty and Bartell agreed, saying that last year it wasn't the case, but the players had to adjust.

Anyway, GO SAINTS!!! These losses will lead to greater things later !!
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Welcome to the forum. First the commentators last night, one of which was Joe Keniston, were excellent. Second, the Clarkson guys on Friday were not. Bartell was over the line. He didn't say so much how classy the SLU coaches were as much as Carvy and Hurley were classy players and should be ****ed at their players over the debacle at the end. I can't say anything about Ahfield because he couldn't get a word in edgewise as that ******* just kept flapping his gums. I am with BCarlisle on this one. He shouldn't be on the air again after that until he understands what he did wrong. If Clarkson wants someone like that representing them, it's a stain on their program. I don't think it is fair to compare them to Greg and Wally. Greg doesn't go after players on the other team like Bartell did, he goes after the refs and I happen to fully concur that the refs in this league need a major upgrade (even though I agree that was one of the best officiated games I have seen in the ECAC on Saturday night....night and day better). That's a big difference. You don't comment on the character or a player that you don't even know. The way it came off to me was part envy and part fear as he tried to build a case for a suspension. Is he going to yap about how the league is all wrong now after saying the league would say its open season to do what any player wants and would have no integrity if he is not suspended? Again, over the line, bush-league, biased and wrong. That's about as bad as it gets.

TimU puts it right. I don't know whether we had bad games or there is something wrong. I mean those games other than a few minutes here and there were more painful to watch than the 2008 election returns. Battles we should have won or places we should have had success we didn't. Period. The 4th line was on the ice for the game winner both nights and was minus 2 both nights. Last night, they gave up the homerun pass after a good shift and then the CCT GW which was an unscreened wrister from the blue line. I think they were responsible on Friday but last night, well, let's just say if our D-men are going to focus so much on the offensive end of the ice that our goalie has to stand on his head, and that didn't happen. I have zero explanation for why our PK is struggling so much.

We'll see if we can turn it around. Defensively, I'd say there is plenty of opportunity for improvement after the last three games at home against the CU's.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Fundamentals-too many missed passes, missed assignments, bad positioning, whiffs, mental mistakes. Back to basics if you want to win.
And we need more than 3 scorers-same story as last year when it was Carey, Flanny, and Wick. This year its Carey x 2 and Wick. C'son knew it and defended that way-cover Greg with 2 guys, keep a real close on on Matt, and let SLU ineptitude do the rest.
Can't fault Wennie for not having any defense (and he doesn't-too many guys out of position to help), but this year he's not what he can be-too many uncovered rebounds that find their way in.
Oh well, this is how last year went, and we have great promise, if can just become a fundamentally solid hockey TEAM.
 
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saintsdad said:
Fundamentals-too many missed passes, missed assignments, bad positioning, whiffs, mental mistakes. Back to basics if you want to win.
And we need more than 3 scorers-same story as last year when it was Carey, Flanny, and Wick. This year its Carey x 2 and Wick. C'son knew it and defended that way-cover Greg with 2 guys, keep a real close on on Matt, and let SLU ineptitude do the rest.
Can't fault Wennie for not having any defense (and he doesn't-too many guys out of position to help), but this year he's not what he can be-too many uncovered rebounds that find their way in.
Oh well, this is how last year went, and we have great promise, if can just become a fundamentally solid hockey TEAM.
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Well said. I'd add that one of the most basic things good hockey teams do is play with a lead. We failed on that count twice this weekend.
 
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Got 6 said:
Well said. I'd add that one of the most basic things good hockey teams do is play with a lead. We failed on that count twice this weekend.
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If my memory is right, we've done it for 2 years now. Up 3-0 late in the third last year at Cheel.
 
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Got 6 said:
Welcome to the forum. First the commentators last night, one of which was Joe Keniston, were excellent. Second, the Clarkson guys on Friday were not. Bartell was over the line. He didn't say so much how classy the SLU coaches were as much as Carvy and Hurley were classy players and should be ****ed at their players over the debacle at the end. I can't say anything about Ahfield because he couldn't get a word in edgewise as that ******* just kept flapping his gums. I am with BCarlisle on this one. He shouldn't be on the air again after that until he understands what he did wrong. If Clarkson wants someone like that representing them, it's a stain on their program. I don't think it is fair to compare them to Greg and Wally. Greg doesn't go after players on the other team like Bartell did, he goes after the refs and I happen to fully concur that the refs in this league need a major upgrade (even though I agree that was one of the best officiated games I have seen in the ECAC on Saturday night....night and day better). That's a big difference. You don't comment on the character or a player that you don't even know. The way it came off to me was part envy and part fear as he tried to build a case for a suspension. Is he going to yap about how the league is all wrong now after saying the league would say its open season to do what any player wants and would have no integrity if he is not suspended? Again, over the line, bush-league, biased and wrong. That's about as bad as it gets.

TimU puts it right. I don't know whether we had bad games or there is something wrong. I mean those games other than a few minutes here and there were more painful to watch than the 2008 election returns. Battles we should have won or places we should have had success we didn't. Period. The 4th line was on the ice for the game winner both nights and was minus 2 both nights. Last night, they gave up the homerun pass after a good shift and then the CCT GW which was an unscreened wrister from the blue line. I think they were responsible on Friday but last night, well, let's just say if our D-men are going to focus so much on the offensive end of the ice that our goalie has to stand on his head, and that didn't happen. I have zero explanation for why our PK is struggling so much.

We'll see if we can turn it around. Defensively, I'd say there is plenty of opportunity for improvement after the last three games at home against the CU's.
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I'm not defending what Bartell said, but have listened to the end of way too many CCT games (when ours finish earlier that CCT's) to have issues with him. Maybe he, just like the refs. and our PK unit, had an off night on Friday. I'm going to give him a pass this time but only if he issues an on-air apology (as Greg L. did once after and for losing it at D'mouth several yrs. ago).

Our team has me worried right now. Our defense, including goaltenders, has/have not been up to par of late. The PK % and Save % are both not good. There's only one way to fix it - everybody on the TEAM has to work harder and fight its way through it. Then, the losses to CCT can be turned into a positive.
 
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You're right Got 6, and lets add: Ferris State-up 2-0, give up 3 in the 3rd; Northeastern-up 2-0, give up 4 in the 3rd; Yale-up 2-0. And then there's Cornell-give up 4 in the 1st and RIT give up 4 in the 2nd.

I also wonder if the guys aren't tired. Many teams took Thanksgiving week off, but we changed time zones. That may have some impact.

Finally, I lost my train of thought earlier (you will too when you're my age), so far this has been a carbon copy of last year: start hot (get ranked) then get dreadfully cold. Hopefully we'll not just repeat last year's return to winning hockey but trump with tourney success. I believe our team can be much better than last year's (the freshman really impress me) but we need a defense and scoring from the 2nd and 3rd lines.
 
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While we're trying to figure out what's wrong with the team, has anyone noticed how slow they are at times on the shift changes? I remember a few years ago that Coach Joe was having that problem for a few games. He was yelling at them ,that if they didn't get back to the bench as fast as they left, he'd have someone on the ice next game that would .He just would not put up with it-----
 
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saintsdad said:
You're right Got 6, and lets add: Ferris State-up 2-0, give up 3 in the 3rd; Northeastern-up 2-0, give up 4 in the 3rd; Yale-up 2-0. And then there's Cornell-give up 4 in the 1st and RIT give up 4 in the 2nd.

I also wonder if the guys aren't tired. Many teams took Thanksgiving week off, but we changed time zones. That may have some impact.

Finally, I lost my train of thought earlier (you will too when you're my age), so far this has been a carbon copy of last year: start hot (get ranked) then get dreadfully cold. Hopefully we'll not just repeat last year's return to winning hockey but trump with tourney success. I believe our team can be much better than last year's (the freshman really impress me) but we need a defense and scoring from the 2nd and 3rd lines.
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I was actually going to make this point as well. 5 of our losses were from blown leads, 4 of them were 2-0 leads, also the two ties we had leads on multiple occasions including 3-1 on Yale and that's completely unacceptable. Need to figure out what's causing that and shore it up! If we won the games we lead 2-0 or had leads on the other team we would be 15-3-0, instead of 8-8-2 ... I mean, really that's a pretty drastic statistic when you take a moment to think about it.
 
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