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The only reason SLU ever loses a game, right?
What a bunch of whiners.
The only reason SLU ever loses a game, right?
What a bunch of whiners.
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SLU Hockey 2011-2012
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It's tough to get serious about a claim which assumes biased officiating, which is evidently the case here, but I'll try. It might have been poor officiating, but I don't know since I haven't seen the game. ECAC officiating might be sub-par, but I have nowhere near the immense amount of evidence to make such a claim, nor has anyone I know of. I do know for an absolute fact that the same officials call the game, well or poorly, for both teams. Just as certainly the claim that "the officials stole the game from us" assumes officials deliberately favored one team with their calls - presumably because of bigotry or pay-offs, but with ZERO evidence of either. I have known referees who would cheerfully rough up anyone making this accusation. I respect such referees and wish them well.
It's tough to get serious about a claim which assumes biased officiating, which is evidently the case here, but I'll try. It might have been poor officiating, but I don't know since I haven't seen the game. ECAC officiating might be sub-par, but I have nowhere near the immense amount of evidence to make such a claim, nor has anyone I know of. I do know for an absolute fact that the same officials call the game, well or poorly, for both teams. Just as certainly the claim that "the officials stole the game from us" assumes officials deliberately favored one team with their calls - presumably because of bigotry or pay-offs, but with ZERO evidence of either. I have known referees who would cheerfully rough up anyone making this accusation. I respect such referees and wish them well.
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Really? Where did I say that? Because I made a comment that the call on Wick last night wasn't a major if it was even a penalty. He was square and it was shoulder to shoulder. Gotevets fakes an injury and they call it 5.
By all means, you deserve to play in a league where one of the best players in the country takes a clear elbow to the head (a player who missed the last SLU-Cornell tilt with a concussion, and would have taken a second elbow to the head if he didn't duck out of the hit over by the penalty boxes but they do call one of 10 cross-checks in front of the SLU goalie 70-80% of which were committed by Cornell players but SLU got the only call.
Go ahead, watch the game tape of SLU versus Q-Pac. Penalties called 13 penalties on SLU, 6 on Q-Pac then watch the game tape and see how many were missed.
Your program is the definition of hypocrisy when Schafer has been disciplined for going after the officials and Schafer has a reputation within the league as does Gaudet and Donato and you guys sit here and defend them. On their best day, they are of little consequence to the outcome of the game. On their typical day, they are wildly inconsistent from one night to the next or one period to the next and they are not doing an adequate job of protecting the players. What is next? Are you guys going to tell us how much better the NHL is without guys like Pat LaFontaine, Eric / Brett Lindros, Sidney Crosby and Paul Kariya so we get to watch the finesse play of guys like O'Byrne.
Really? Where did I say that? Because I made a comment that the call on Wick last night wasn't a major if it was even a penalty. He was square and it was shoulder to shoulder. Gotevets fakes an injury and they call it 5.
By all means, you deserve to play in a league where one of the best players in the country takes a clear elbow to the head (a player who missed the last SLU-Cornell tilt with a concussion, and would have taken a second elbow to the head if he didn't duck out of the hit over by the penalty boxes but they do call one of 10 cross-checks in front of the SLU goalie 70-80% of which were committed by Cornell players but SLU got the only call.
Go ahead, watch the game tape of SLU versus Q-Pac. Penalties called 13 penalties on SLU, 6 on Q-Pac then watch the game tape and see how many were missed.
Your program is the definition of hypocrisy when Schafer has been disciplined for going after the officials and Schafer has a reputation within the league as does Gaudet and Donato and you guys sit here and defend them. On their best day, they are of little consequence to the outcome of the game. On their typical day, they are wildly inconsistent from one night to the next or one period to the next and they are not doing an adequate job of protecting the players. What is next? Are you guys going to tell us how much better the NHL is without guys like Pat LaFontaine, Eric / Brett Lindros, Sidney Crosby and Paul Kariya so we get to watch the finesse play of guys like O'Byrne.
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And now the biggest tool of them all has made his appearance. That is right, I forgot it was in fact a Cornell cheapshot kneeing that knocked Flanagan out for a while as a freshmen. Class program all the way. Players, coaches, fans!
And now the biggest tool of them all has made his appearance. That is right, I forgot it was in fact a Cornell cheapshot kneeing that knocked Flanagan out for a while as a freshmen. Class program all the way. Players, coaches, fans!
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Yeah, maybe we can come down and dump you guys on your butts at Starr if it doesn't get condemned first. C'mon up to the North Country any time you want. Smith may win the Hobey but the fact remains during a crunch time weekend his team walked out of a pair of games with 1 goal that came off a broken play and no points for the Raiders in a tight race. Just glad the game winner at SLU came off a PP goal on a clear penalty for 5 for CTH for a 'gate defensemen clearly going for Flanny's head. McPherson's was more blatant but that was only a two. More solid consistency from the officials. Comparing Smith to MSL....we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves. The important stat is where Colgate finishes and right now the only team in line for an at-large is Union so who wins the league matters more than individual stats to most, but I guess not all, players.
Yeah, maybe we can come down and dump you guys on your butts at Starr if it doesn't get condemned first. C'mon up to the North Country any time you want. Smith may win the Hobey but the fact remains during a crunch time weekend his team walked out of a pair of games with 1 goal that came off a broken play and no points for the Raiders in a tight race. Just glad the game winner at SLU came off a PP goal on a clear penalty for 5 for CTH for a 'gate defensemen clearly going for Flanny's head. McPherson's was more blatant but that was only a two. More solid consistency from the officials. Comparing Smith to MSL....we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves. The important stat is where Colgate finishes and right now the only team in line for an at-large is Union so who wins the league matters more than individual stats to most, but I guess not all, players.
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Big talk for a team that just got swept by us this year... Seriously the officiating was awful, but its not like it was awful in either direction (see the 2 first period makeup calls while Cornell was on the PP). The goal was disallowed on intent because Iles had covered the puck and the ref lost sight. Absolutely the correct call. Happened to us much more questionably earlier this year. It happens. Deal with it. It was an exciting game. And the better team won. Just be glad that a few of our miscues even let you take this to overtime.
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Actually this is GREAT. Our thread has been dead for far too long. We go weeks with few if any posts. I'm glad everyone is throwing in their ten cents or in some cases ten dollars worth!
You were almost spot on with your quote.....you just have to substitute "Saints" for "Angels"!!!! After all we do have a holy nickname!!
As to my ten cents it's only worth about a penny as I didn't watch the game but listened. As to the officiating and position of the coaches and the team the article in the Watertown Times sums it up. Our team captain Jake Drewiske is a pretty classy guy and although he didn't want to take anything away from Cornell's victory he did intimate there were some missed calls. Here is his quote:
“We don’t blame the refs whatsoever, but it would have been nice to get a few more power plays,” Drewiske said. “Our power play has been hot. I think when (the officials) watch the film in the next few days they’ll realize that they missed some calls.”
Here is the link to the article in the Watertown Times which gives a decent representation of what went on.
http://http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120219/SPORTS03/702199890/-1/sports
Actually this is GREAT. Our thread has been dead for far too long. We go weeks with few if any posts. I'm glad everyone is throwing in their ten cents or in some cases ten dollars worth!
You were almost spot on with your quote.....you just have to substitute "Saints" for "Angels"!!!! After all we do have a holy nickname!!
As to my ten cents it's only worth about a penny as I didn't watch the game but listened. As to the officiating and position of the coaches and the team the article in the Watertown Times sums it up. Our team captain Jake Drewiske is a pretty classy guy and although he didn't want to take anything away from Cornell's victory he did intimate there were some missed calls. Here is his quote:
“We don’t blame the refs whatsoever, but it would have been nice to get a few more power plays,” Drewiske said. “Our power play has been hot. I think when (the officials) watch the film in the next few days they’ll realize that they missed some calls.”
Here is the link to the article in the Watertown Times which gives a decent representation of what went on.
http://http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120219/SPORTS03/702199890/-1/sports
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Cornell has one more TUC game on Friday, and would probably have 1 more if they make it to the ECAC semis. If they win those two, I can definitely see them getting an at-large bid if they lose the championship game (depending how teams around them do, of course). The fact remains that right now, they are in line for an at-large.
Wrong again. Current PWR:
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Rank Team PWR W-L-T Win % Win % Rank RPI RPI Rank vs. TUC TUC %
15 Cornell 17 14-6-7 .6481 7 .5373 14 4-4-3 .5000Cornell has one more TUC game on Friday, and would probably have 1 more if they make it to the ECAC semis. If they win those two, I can definitely see them getting an at-large bid if they lose the championship game (depending how teams around them do, of course). The fact remains that right now, they are in line for an at-large.
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Really, that is what you took away? The difference is that if players make bad, selfish plays, they sit. In fact, looking at twitter feeds of ECAC players, Gunnar Hughes was ridiculed by his team mates with statements such as "Hitting from Behind is a choice"! And it is throughout the lineup at SLU. Years ago ECAC POTY TJ Trevelyan slashed a player in retaliation at Union as he was skating to the bench...no call but he sat the next game because of it. That is responsible coaching. Craig had three blatant CTH infractions last night and didn't miss a shift. So it wasn't called because ECAC refs are paralyzed by fear of calling a penalty against Cornell in a close game. Let's see what happens later. There is such a thing as karma. Let's see if he does that in AC or game 3 of the playoffs and puts his team down for 5 minutes? Yale got their Karma after some cheapshots in the ECAC's last year and it came in their winnable game against UMD. I have spent years watching WHL and WCHA hockey and the quality and consistency of officiating is 10 times greater.
As for the stats, not real meaningful when one penalty can result in 15 minutes. What is meaningful is a game like SLU versus Q-Pac where the number of penalities was 13-6 and that was completely opposite of what it should have been based on what happened on the ice.
Maybe O'Byrne picked up some skills while doing his community service stint for purse snatching? Is he still with the last place Habs?
Really, that is what you took away? The difference is that if players make bad, selfish plays, they sit. In fact, looking at twitter feeds of ECAC players, Gunnar Hughes was ridiculed by his team mates with statements such as "Hitting from Behind is a choice"! And it is throughout the lineup at SLU. Years ago ECAC POTY TJ Trevelyan slashed a player in retaliation at Union as he was skating to the bench...no call but he sat the next game because of it. That is responsible coaching. Craig had three blatant CTH infractions last night and didn't miss a shift. So it wasn't called because ECAC refs are paralyzed by fear of calling a penalty against Cornell in a close game. Let's see what happens later. There is such a thing as karma. Let's see if he does that in AC or game 3 of the playoffs and puts his team down for 5 minutes? Yale got their Karma after some cheapshots in the ECAC's last year and it came in their winnable game against UMD. I have spent years watching WHL and WCHA hockey and the quality and consistency of officiating is 10 times greater.
As for the stats, not real meaningful when one penalty can result in 15 minutes. What is meaningful is a game like SLU versus Q-Pac where the number of penalities was 13-6 and that was completely opposite of what it should have been based on what happened on the ice.
Maybe O'Byrne picked up some skills while doing his community service stint for purse snatching? Is he still with the last place Habs?
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Thanks for the link and the doses of sanity. Sounds like Hurlburt flat out disagrees with Got6 regarding the waved off goal:
Actually this is GREAT. Our thread has been dead for far too long. We go weeks with few if any posts. I'm glad everyone is throwing in their ten cents or in some cases ten dollars worth!
You were almost spot on with your quote.....you just have to substitute "Saints" for "Angels"!!!! After all we do have a holy nickname!!
As to my ten cents it's only worth about a penny as I didn't watch the game but listened. As to the officiating and position of the coaches and the team the article in the Watertown Times sums it up. Our team captain Jake Drewiske is a pretty classy guy and although he didn't want to take anything away from Cornell's victory he did intimate there were some missed calls. Here is his quote:
“We don’t blame the refs whatsoever, but it would have been nice to get a few more power plays,” Drewiske said. “Our power play has been hot. I think when (the officials) watch the film in the next few days they’ll realize that they missed some calls.”
Here is the link to the article in the Watertown Times which gives a decent representation of what went on.
http://http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120219/SPORTS03/702199890/-1/sports
Thanks for the link and the doses of sanity. Sounds like Hurlburt flat out disagrees with Got6 regarding the waved off goal:
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When is the last time a team with a PWR of 15 got a bid? They might get at bid without winning it in AC but it really is not that likely at the moment. Right now the 5-8 teams in the league are barely TUC's so assuming they get home ice they could win 2 straight and still not budge. With the parity in college hockey and the fact that before last nights game only FSU had 20 wins, you can plan on a bunch of teams from Hockey East, WCHA and CCHA making it as this year the ECAC has been pretty horrific OOC which doesn't help in H2H comparisons.
When is the last time a team with a PWR of 15 got a bid? They might get at bid without winning it in AC but it really is not that likely at the moment. Right now the 5-8 teams in the league are barely TUC's so assuming they get home ice they could win 2 straight and still not budge. With the parity in college hockey and the fact that before last nights game only FSU had 20 wins, you can plan on a bunch of teams from Hockey East, WCHA and CCHA making it as this year the ECAC has been pretty horrific OOC which doesn't help in H2H comparisons.
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Yeah, that is what coaches say that don't want to get suspended.
I am not about to repeat things that have been said to me but suffice it to say you are probably wrong. Further, they is a growing consensus amongst ECAC coaches that officiating is a real issue in the league and I can promise you that Schafer is part of that consensus.
I wonder if Hurlbut did disagree with me though why he sent Drewiske over to talk to the refs after that goal was disallowed, after Jillson scored with a cornell player on top of our goalie or when Gunnar Hughes got smoked in the head five feet in front of both Hurlbut and the ref late in the third. I am sure Drewiske was just going over there to tell them what a great job they were doing and that none of the SLU goals should have counted because one of our players once used an illegal stick in junior hockey.
Yeah, that is what coaches say that don't want to get suspended.
I am not about to repeat things that have been said to me but suffice it to say you are probably wrong. Further, they is a growing consensus amongst ECAC coaches that officiating is a real issue in the league and I can promise you that Schafer is part of that consensus.
I wonder if Hurlbut did disagree with me though why he sent Drewiske over to talk to the refs after that goal was disallowed, after Jillson scored with a cornell player on top of our goalie or when Gunnar Hughes got smoked in the head five feet in front of both Hurlbut and the ref late in the third. I am sure Drewiske was just going over there to tell them what a great job they were doing and that none of the SLU goals should have counted because one of our players once used an illegal stick in junior hockey.
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It pains me a bit to say this, but you'll have a bunch of fans rooting for you in Ithaca next week. At least our losses to Union this year were fair and square. We were simply outplayed both games.
It pains me a bit to say this, but you'll have a bunch of fans rooting for you in Ithaca next week. At least our losses to Union this year were fair and square. We were simply outplayed both games.
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RPI in 2011. That was easy.
Of the teams in the top 40 for penalty minutes, 32 earned between 2.3 and 2.6 minutes per penalty, including SLU. Face it - your team's penalty record speaks for itself, and it is very average, not saint-like (pun intended), regardless of the heroic efforts of your coaches.
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If it helps you sleep at night thinking that a former Cornell player who wasn't much of a huge asset to our team in his three years there, is playing for a mediocre team in the NHL, then so be it, but to answer your question, no. O'Byrne plays for Colorado now, and Montreal isn't a last-place team in the Eastern Conference, let alone the whole NHL, either. Although it's pretty clear, from folks having to repeatedly correct your inaccuracies and misunderstandings regarding NCAA rules, officiating, and NHL rosters and standing, that facts don't seem to matter in your "throw it out there, and see what sticks" world.
Don't worry, maybe Flanagan will join Peverley in the NHL one day and be the next Crosby that you seem to think he is, although if he keeps diving, embellishing, and falling down every time another player so much as breathes on him, he's not going to last long.
If it helps you sleep at night thinking that a former Cornell player who wasn't much of a huge asset to our team in his three years there, is playing for a mediocre team in the NHL, then so be it, but to answer your question, no. O'Byrne plays for Colorado now, and Montreal isn't a last-place team in the Eastern Conference, let alone the whole NHL, either. Although it's pretty clear, from folks having to repeatedly correct your inaccuracies and misunderstandings regarding NCAA rules, officiating, and NHL rosters and standing, that facts don't seem to matter in your "throw it out there, and see what sticks" world.
Don't worry, maybe Flanagan will join Peverley in the NHL one day and be the next Crosby that you seem to think he is, although if he keeps diving, embellishing, and falling down every time another player so much as breathes on him, he's not going to last long.
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Make up calls? Was it make up calls because the call on Wick was horse****? Or were they make up calls because Cornell got called for the point men very clearly setting a pick to give themselves space which they have done for years and rarely get called or the make up call for Ryan smoking a player not near the puck to give more room to the slow Cornell player? Answer is irrelevant as by even saying make up call you made my point about the quality of officiating.
Oh, thank you for your miscues. Obviously, we were clearly outmatched and should be ashamed that we didn't pay proper homage to the hockey royalty so kind to grace us with their presence. If you guys are half as good as you blow on these boards about being you'd be 27-0 at the moment. Maybe with more biased officiating and some skill you would be.
Make up calls? Was it make up calls because the call on Wick was horse****? Or were they make up calls because Cornell got called for the point men very clearly setting a pick to give themselves space which they have done for years and rarely get called or the make up call for Ryan smoking a player not near the puck to give more room to the slow Cornell player? Answer is irrelevant as by even saying make up call you made my point about the quality of officiating.
Oh, thank you for your miscues. Obviously, we were clearly outmatched and should be ashamed that we didn't pay proper homage to the hockey royalty so kind to grace us with their presence. If you guys are half as good as you blow on these boards about being you'd be 27-0 at the moment. Maybe with more biased officiating and some skill you would be.
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O'Byrne didn't matter? Maybe he mattered more than you think since he is in the NHL and the goalies who got the accolades at Cornell are not? Was Doug Murray also inconsequential?
Yeah, maybe if Flanagan didn't have such sick skills he wouldn't be run at as he was both nights this weekend. I see now...he is just embelleshing when a player like McPherson who has 7 inches on him drills him into the boards from behind and he gets right back up but Gotovets does his acting job to sell a penalty on Wick in the first minute but doesn't miss a shift?
As for use of facts...please go ahead and show me where I said Flanagan is the next Sydney Crosby? If he makes it great, if he doesn't thats fine too but it would be nice if he at least has an honest shot instead of having his career ended by some ******** like Craig who was hitting high all night and going back to collect his high fives from the Cornell bench.
O'Byrne didn't matter? Maybe he mattered more than you think since he is in the NHL and the goalies who got the accolades at Cornell are not? Was Doug Murray also inconsequential?
Yeah, maybe if Flanagan didn't have such sick skills he wouldn't be run at as he was both nights this weekend. I see now...he is just embelleshing when a player like McPherson who has 7 inches on him drills him into the boards from behind and he gets right back up but Gotovets does his acting job to sell a penalty on Wick in the first minute but doesn't miss a shift?
As for use of facts...please go ahead and show me where I said Flanagan is the next Sydney Crosby? If he makes it great, if he doesn't thats fine too but it would be nice if he at least has an honest shot instead of having his career ended by some ******** like Craig who was hitting high all night and going back to collect his high fives from the Cornell bench.