Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

[komey1]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

College Hockey is not laissez faire. There are NCAA rules and regulations already in place due to the academic problems in football and basketball. Your scores go low enough, then you lose scholarships and other benefits. See Syracuse basketball and Colorado football this offseason. And those are the brand names. The smaller non-BCS schools had more academic issues than the brand names.

You raised one issue that technically be debated, although there is a place for those non-academic minded students - Major Juniors. Also, various NCAA reports show that on most teams the hockey players are on par if not better than the general student population.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Hey, you can stop. After careful consideration I have decided my doubts about college hockey present and future were unfounded, and I agree completely with my former adversaries.

Great. It's about freaking time.

 

[Osorojo]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

College Hockey is not laissez faire. There are NCAA rules and regulations already in place due to the academic problems in football and basketball. Your scores go low enough, then you lose scholarships and other benefits. See Syracuse basketball and Colorado football this offseason. And those are the brand names. The smaller non-BCS schools had more academic issues than the brand names.

You raised one issue that technically be debated, although there is a place for those non-academic minded students - Major Juniors. Also, various NCAA reports show that on most teams the hockey players are on par if not better than the general student population.

Right on! College hockey has rules and really should follow them, just like investment banks and coal mining corporations and investment advisors and oil corporations did. Unlike nasty college football and basketball that don't have rules, college hockey does have rules and regulations. Statistics show that not only are college hockey players smarter (better grades, more graduate) than ordinary college students, hockey players are MUCH smarter than football or basketball players. Isn't it wonderful? Hurrah for the status quo!
Hurrah for laissez faire!

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Right on! College hockey has rules and really should follow them, just like investment banks and coal mining corporations and investment advisors and oil corporations did. Unlike nasty college football and basketball that don't have rules, college hockey does have rules and regulations. Statistics show that not only are college hockey players smarter (better grades, more graduate) than ordinary college students, hockey players are MUCH smarter than football or basketball players. Isn't it wonderful? Hurrah for the status quo!
Hurrah for laissez faire!

You still don't understand the difference between college basketball and football compared to college hockey.

Here, let me try again. As have been noted at least a gajillion times now, NCAA hockey is different because athletes who really don't have an interest in school go to MJ's instead of college. NCAA football and basketball doesn't have that competition. If a kid wants to continue to play basketball after High school they have to go to college. Same with football. NOT the cases with hockey.

What this means is that by and large the players in college hockey in fact do actually have an interest in their education, as demonstrated by the NCAA's GSR and APR.


SO let's break it down to some simple yes or no questions for you,

Do you acknowledge the difference between hockey and other NCAA sports?

Do you acknowledge that the GSR's have increased over the past 5 years?

Do you acknowledge that the GSR's are higher for hockey then basketball and football

Do you acknowledge that the GSR's for hockey in most cases are higher then the general student body?

 

[bronconick]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Right on! College hockey has rules and really should follow them, just like investment banks and coal mining corporations and investment advisors and oil corporations did. Unlike nasty college football and basketball that don't have rules, college hockey does have rules and regulations. Statistics show that not only are college hockey players smarter (better grades, more graduate) than ordinary college students, hockey players are MUCH smarter than football or basketball players. Isn't it wonderful? Hurrah for the status quo!
Hurrah for laissez faire!

So, since your argument has been torn to shreds and beaten more than an expired horse, you're back to outlandish statements, poor comparisons, and aimless trolling. Good.

I think there's a college soccer board out there waiting for you to predict their academic demise because the World Cup is getting publicity on ESPN and all the newly talented soccer players are going to waste time in college and purposely fail instead of starting their pro careers at 18.

 

[komey1]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

College football and basketball have rules, else teams would not be punished. As you SHOULD know, teams get punished. Syracuse lost 2 basketball scholarships for a low score in the APR. Colorado football lost scholarships. USC football has their own issues, though not for academics.

This is not true status quo. Due to the problems with acedemics, the GSR and APR were created to better measure the problems so that punishments such as above can be dished out. These apply to ALL NCAA sports.

Hockey currently HAS an outlet for hockey players that have no interest in going to college called Major Juniors.

 

[Osorojo]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

College football and basketball have rules, else teams would not be punished. As you SHOULD know, teams get punished. Syracuse lost 2 basketball scholarships for a low score in the APR. Colorado football lost scholarships. USC football has their own issues, though not for academics.

This is not true status quo. Due to the problems with acedemics, the GSR and APR were created to better measure the problems so that punishments such as above can be dished out. These apply to ALL NCAA sports.

Hockey currently HAS an outlet for hockey players that have no interest in going to college called Major Juniors.

Hey, don't waste your time scolding me. I'm on your side. The NCAA rules for D I football and basketball suck, but they're just swell for D I hockey, right?
We have proven beyond question the innate mental superiority of hockey players over football players, basketball players, and the student body in general, since hockey players have higher grades and a better graduation rate (APR and GSR), right?
Hockey ticket prices, ticket sales, TV contracts and merchandise profits are inconsequential for college hockey since we have proven Div. I hockey programs don't turn a profit and there's no way they ever will, right? Man, I pity those morons running OHL hockey who are trying to out-bid U.S. Div. I colleges for the compensation of hockey players. Those morons don't know what we do about the economics of running a hockey program. OHL teams don't even receive public funding. How could they expect to outbid public colleges and universities to pay hockey players, even if non-NHL hockey programs could turn a profit?
It sure is great to finally be on the winning side and have such astonishing insights into current and future college hockey programs.

"I once was lost, but now I'm found, was blind, but now I see."

 

[Dirty]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

What in the **** are you talking about? Do you even know? Did your mother drink Drano while she was pregnant?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

What in the **** are you talking about? Do you even know? Did your mother drink Drano while she was pregnant?

Here, I'll translate: Bear Red thinks college hockey isn't doing very well, and so the poster would like college hockey to not be played by college students, but rather local Juniors teams that simply wear the colors of a college because it would be profitable.

 

[bronconick]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Hey, don't waste your time scolding me. I'm on your side. The NCAA rules for D I football and basketball suck, but they're just swell for D I hockey, right?
We have proven beyond question the innate mental superiority of hockey players over football players, basketball players, and the student body in general, since hockey players have higher grades and a better graduation rate (APR and GSR), right?
Hockey ticket prices, ticket sales, TV contracts and merchandise profits are inconsequential for college hockey since we have proven Div. I hockey programs don't turn a profit and there's no way they ever will, right? Man, I pity those morons running OHL hockey who are trying to out-bid U.S. Div. I colleges for the compensation of hockey players. Those morons don't know what we do about the economics of running a hockey program. OHL teams don't even receive public funding. How could they expect to outbid public colleges and universities to pay hockey players, even if non-NHL hockey programs could turn a profit?
It sure is great to finally be on the winning side and have such astonishing insights into current and future college hockey programs.

"I once was lost, but now I'm found, was blind, but now I see."

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[Osorojo]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Golly, I'm beginning to think this is a personal thing and not at all about the fact that college hockey isn't changing much and probably never will.

When I repeat facts you have cited (GSR's, etc.) you naturally don't deny your own facts but you do call me names. When I agree with your arguments(college hockey isn't changing much and won't so it will never be like those nasty dummies who play D I football and basketball) you call my family names, but you won't renounce your arguments.

I'm forced to say you are and odd bunch and not very nice, but I still agree with all your facts and conclusions about college hockey (see above).

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

When I agree with your arguments(college hockey isn't changing much and won't so it will never be like those nasty dummies who play D I football and basketball) you call my family names, but you won't renounce your arguments.

When you agree with an argument why would another poster renounce it? And who called your family names?

 

[komey1]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Dude - quit patronizing us. It's not becoming.

Did anyone say that the rules suck for football and basketball but are great for hockey? No. They key differance is that football and basketball players are practically forced to go to college before they are eligible to go pro. Hockey players have another option - Major Juniors (such as the OHL).

Yes, the OHL competes for the best players. Some will go to the NCAA, some to Major Juniors. OHL teams MAY make a profit because they are primarily (if not all) Canadian and hockey is far more popular in Canada than in the United State. I also believe some NCAA teams do make a profit. But most of them don't.

 

[Osorojo]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Dude - quit patronizing us. It's not becoming.

Did anyone say that the rules suck for football and basketball but are great for hockey? No. They key differance is that football and basketball players are practically forced to go to college before they are eligible to go pro. Hockey players have another option - Major Juniors (such as the OHL).

Yes, the OHL competes for the best players. Some will go to the NCAA, some to Major Juniors. OHL teams MAY make a profit because they are primarily (if not all) Canadian and hockey is far more popular in Canada than in the United State. I also believe some NCAA teams do make a profit. But most of them don't.

"Forced?" Really, or paid to mark time for a one-and-done?

 

[The Rube]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

"Forced?" Really, or paid to mark time for a one-and-done?

Basically forced:

NFL: The restriction to enter says that a player must be at least three years removed from the end of high school, or that he must have completed at least three years of college.

NBA: Beginning in 2006, a player must be 19 and one year removed from high school before he ca be drafted.

 

[Dirty]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Speaking of forced, someone should have forced your mother to have an abortion.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Basically forced:

NFL: The restriction to enter says that a player must be at least three years removed from the end of high school, or that he must have completed at least three years of college.

NBA: Beginning in 2006, a player must be 19 and one year removed from high school before he ca be drafted.

To defend Bear Red's comment, this does not mean they are required to go to college. They can play semi-pro in Europe, or a small American league. They merely have to be out of high school for a certain number of years. However, there aren't any feasible semi-pro junior leagues for these players aside from NCAA. Therefore, the players are attempting to further their careers by any means necessary, hence all of the issues discussed.

I think we are now over the fact of entering college, in that hockey won't seem to have the issue due to feasible alternatives. No comment on the side discussions.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Rats. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were kidding around, given the rather public feud between Keith Olbermann (Cornell Ag School) and Ann Coulter (Cornell Arts School) regarding Cornell colleges, the state of NY, and the Ivy League. Guess not - better check your facts.

Facts:
Cornell's role as New York State's land grant institution, and the public responsibilities that come with that status, are reflected in activities throughout the university. However, four of the schools at Cornell are directly tied to the university's land grant mission, and receive operating and construction funds from New York State:
College of Veterinary Medicine;
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences;
College of Human Ecology;
School of Industrial and Labor Relations

I know this is hearkening back to an ancient digression in this flame war, but I just found this interesting. I did not know that Cornell was our state's land grant institution (I guess in reality, I didn't even know we had one - or that all states have one). So instead of us having a "University of inserst state name here" like most other states have, we have Cornell... or more specifically, four of the fourteen colleges at Cornell. You learn something new every day (sometimes weeks later )

 

[4four4]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Facts:
Cornell's role as New York State's land grant institution, and the public responsibilities that come with that status, are reflected in activities throughout the university. However, four of the schools at Cornell are directly tied to the university's land grant mission, and receive operating and construction funds from New York State:
College of Veterinary Medicine;
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences;
College of Human Ecology;
School of Industrial and Labor Relations

I know this is hearkening back to an ancient digression in this flame war, but I just found this interesting. I did not know that Cornell was our state's land grant institution (I guess in reality, I didn't even know we had one - or that all states have one). So instead of us having a "University of inserst state name here" like most other states have, we have Cornell... or more specifically, four of the fourteen colleges at Cornell. You learn something new every day (sometimes weeks later )

You just couldn't let this thread die, could you?

 

[TigerFan86-87]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

You just couldn't let this thread die, could you?