Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

[LynahFan]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Facts:
Cornell's role as New York State's land grant institution, and the public responsibilities that come with that status, are reflected in activities throughout the university. However, four of the schools at Cornell are directly tied to the university's land grant mission, and receive operating and construction funds from New York State:
College of Veterinary Medicine;
College of Agriculture and Life Sciences;
College of Human Ecology;
School of Industrial and Labor Relations

I know this is hearkening back to an ancient digression in this flame war, but I just found this interesting. I did not know that Cornell was our state's land grant institution (I guess in reality, I didn't even know we had one - or that all states have one). So instead of us having a "University of inserst state name here" like most other states have, we have Cornell... or more specifically, four of the fourteen colleges at Cornell. You learn something new every day (sometimes weeks later )

Good stuff. The only teensiest nit I could pick with that is that I'm not really sure that the ILR and HumEc colleges really have all that much to do with Cornell's "land grant" mission. I suppose there may be an ILR student or two who ended up working for a living, but in general they don't really have need for "such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts, in such manner as the legislatures of the States may respectively prescribe, in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes in the several pursuits and professions in life."

They are simply colleges that Cornell (a private institution) administers by contract on behalf of the state, much like Lockheed runs the Los Alamos National Lab or like Johns Hopkins runs the Applied Physics Lab.

 

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Has this thread degenerated into interesting information and useful discussion?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Has this thread degenerated into interesting information and useful discussion?

Yep. Unfortunately, we must now turn elsewhere for our daily bit of humor.

 

[Henry]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

Alabama Huntsville 's coach has resigned that is not a good sign. I don't really know how to make it grow. Perhaps the top D 3 teams could move up and play some D 1 teams. I guess that woild take a lot of rule changes though. Unfortunately there really is a shortage of D 1 teams. A lot of guys are playing D 3 who are very good players. Even the level of Club hockey is much higher than it was 20 years ago. Unfortunately hockey is an expensive sport, then you add in the Title IX wrinkle, scholarships etc and I don't see too many schools adding D 1 hockey. especially in the current economic climate.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Good stuff. The only teensiest nit I could pick with that is that I'm not really sure that the ILR and HumEc colleges really have all that much to do with Cornell's "land grant" mission. I suppose there may be an ILR student or two who ended up working for a living, but in general they don't really have need for "such branches of learning as are related to agriculture and the mechanic arts, in such manner as the legislatures of the States may respectively prescribe, in order to promote the liberal and practical education of the industrial classes in the several pursuits and professions in life."

They are simply colleges that Cornell (a private institution) administers by contract on behalf of the state, much like Lockheed runs the Los Alamos National Lab or like Johns Hopkins runs the Applied Physics Lab.

That may be so, I really don't know. The quote I used was directly copied and pasted from Cornell's website.

Ok, enough useful discussion for this thread.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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Alabama Huntsville 's coach has resigned that is not a good sign. I don't really know how to make it grow. Perhaps the top D 3 teams could move up and play some D 1 teams. I guess that woild take a lot of rule changes though. Unfortunately there really is a shortage of D 1 teams. A lot of guys are playing D 3 who are very good players. Even the level of Club hockey is much higher than it was 20 years ago. Unfortunately hockey is an expensive sport, then you add in the Title IX wrinkle, scholarships etc and I don't see too many schools adding D 1 hockey. especially in the current economic climate.

What does Cole's resignation have to do with growth (or contraction) of college hockey? Coaches change jobs all the time. An opportunity that he really couldn't pass up came along and he jumped on it. I'm sure UAH had to have figured he wouldn't be around there forever. He's a quality coach who most likely would have looked to advance his career to higher levels eventually. UAH is supposedly naming a replacement within the week (if their posters are to be believed ) and it sounds like they have a good number of their opponents lined up for the next two to three years. So I don't see that program going anywhere in the near future.

 

[BCHF]

Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?

I think college hockey should grow...and would use RMU as a solid example where a D-1 program has risen from the ashes in a area starved for college hockey. In a short period of time they have built a solid program with a very good coach that had success against final four competition in 2010.

For the sport of hockey to grow in the US, I think college hockey at all levels must grow for women and men. Lacrosse is the fastest growing sport in America at every level but college for the same reasons facing college hockey growth.

What I like about hockey is, if a small college can get into the game they have a 9 month sport, through the winter months that can flourish in a short period of time. It is expensive as everyone has mentioned, but viable just the same. Johns Hopkins University is a great example of how a school can flourish in one division one sport, men's lacrosse.

A well run program like RMU is developing and places like RIT, RPI, Vermont, etc. already have, can bring a big time atmosphere and sports prestige to a smaller college campus. I also believe that given time and some level of financial commitment facilities-wise a place like RMU could pay it's own way which should be a goal of any men's hockey programs long term strategy.

Still, as others have pointed out, these strange and interesting times do not bode well for college sports expansion any time soon which is dissappointing because it slows progress in the development, and attractiveness of the sport in the US.

 

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. . . It is expensive as everyone has mentioned, but viable just the same. Johns Hopkins University is a great example of how a school can flourish in one division one sport, men's lacrosse.
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Unfortunately, most of the examples of that already have hockey, and the possibility of adding more has effectively been eliminated . It would be nice if that were possible, though.

 

[jcarter7669]

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A well run program like RMU is developing and places like RIT, RPI, Vermont, etc. already have, can bring a big time atmosphere and sports prestige to a smaller college campus. I also believe that given time and some level of financial commitment facilities-wise a place like RMU could pay it's own way which should be a goal of any men's hockey programs long term strategy.
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I am unsure of your point.

RMU has gone from 15-15-4 to 10-19-7 to 10-19-6 in a weak league. I don't know if I would say they are developing as they are really getting worse, albiet a short time span.

And I wouldn't consider RIT (16,773) RPI ( 7,421) or UVM (13,391) as small schools. There are many other schools much smaller. Moreover they aren't really all that new either and have been around for quite a while.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I am not sure really what you are trying to point out especially with those examples?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I am unsure of your point.

RMU has gone from 15-15-4 to 10-19-7 to 10-19-6 in a weak league. I don't know if I would say they are developing as they are really getting worse, albiet a short time span.

And I would consider RIT (16,773) RPI ( 7,421) or UVM (13,391) as small schools. There are many other schools much smaller. Moreover they aren't really all that new either and have been around for quite a while.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but I am not sure really what you are trying to point out especially with those examples?

I think with RMU, the poster was referring to the non-league games. Yes, it's a weak league, and they didn't necessarily do well there. However, they made some noise in one of the Alaska tournaments, as well with a weekend against Miami (#1 at the time), and other non-league games I am likely missing.

 

[TigerFan86-87]

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A well run program like RMU is developing and places like RIT, RPI, Vermont, etc. already have, can bring a big time atmosphere and sports prestige to a smaller college campus.

I think a lot of people keep confusing "not well known for athletics, nationally" with "small". Division II / III schools are not all necessarily small, they just have small athletic budgets.
RIT is in the top two or three sized private schools in DI hockey, and somewhere around 13th overall in DI.

 

[jcarter7669]

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I think with RMU, the poster was referring to the non-league games. Yes, it's a weak league, and they didn't necessarily do well there. However, they made some noise in one of the Alaska tournaments, as well with a weekend against Miami (#1 at the time), and other non-league games I am likely missing.

Well that thought occurred to me, but honestly I don't really consider one weekend sweep of miami to be a "solid" program.

In any event, JMO.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Well that thought occurred to me, but honestly I don't really consider one weekend sweep of miami to be a "solid" program.

In any event, JMO.

I took a look at the schedule, and aside from the games I mentioned, plus a split against Quinnipiac, the rest were conference wins, including against now-WCHA-member Bemidji State. It was 3 games under 500 for conference, and just the 4 wins NC. Maybe lucky with Miami, but we'll have to see how they do with Atlantic, as well as their upcoming NC games.