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Not to mention the time it took to earn that degree...
Not to mention the time it took to earn that degree...
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Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?
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A friend’s wife’s hairdresser’s niece works in the Registrar’s Office and she told me that when they reported his grades, they used the grades of an engineering student!
A friend’s wife’s hairdresser’s niece works in the Registrar’s Office and she told me that when they reported his grades, they used the grades of an engineering student!
Runninwiththedogs
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jcarter7669
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Well not in our world.......but Osrosososhrjoojojo....in his world it's a different story. Keep in mind this guy once claimed to be an educator in Michigan I think.....
Well not in our world.......but Osrosososhrjoojojo....in his world it's a different story. Keep in mind this guy once claimed to be an educator in Michigan I think.....
cg_siouxfan
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Patman
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Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?
The solution to this is to borrow from Ghandi... not so much the whole "lets get ourselves beaten up by the colonialist masters" but rather to start shaming Canadians over this issue.... because this is, very arguably, a very selfish mechanism set up to pool kids to favor their leagues and not to develop talent in the best manner available to the player. Heck, Canada is probably shooting themselves in the developmental foot by limiting opportunities for their players. Canadians with talented young players should be offended by this... and we should be informing them that they should be offended.
I wonder if I we can buy a billboard on the 401 or something.
The solution to this is to borrow from Ghandi... not so much the whole "lets get ourselves beaten up by the colonialist masters" but rather to start shaming Canadians over this issue.... because this is, very arguably, a very selfish mechanism set up to pool kids to favor their leagues and not to develop talent in the best manner available to the player. Heck, Canada is probably shooting themselves in the developmental foot by limiting opportunities for their players. Canadians with talented young players should be offended by this... and we should be informing them that they should be offended.
I wonder if I we can buy a billboard on the 401 or something.
Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?
Title IX is the biggest obstacle for expansion.......Thus it becomes an economic one when you have to finance 2 teams (by whatever definition). This is why you have seen the 3 levels in the club circuit have grown tremendously across the country. At Iowa they were just a d3 club team for many years but have moved up to a d2 and kept their d3 team as well just to give students the opportunity to play hockey. The next 2 questions for them would be can they move further up to d1 varsity and keep their club teams as developmental programs. I mentioned this before on USCHO but the cronie posters didnt want any part of it for discussion.
Title IX is the biggest obstacle for expansion.......Thus it becomes an economic one when you have to finance 2 teams (by whatever definition). This is why you have seen the 3 levels in the club circuit have grown tremendously across the country. At Iowa they were just a d3 club team for many years but have moved up to a d2 and kept their d3 team as well just to give students the opportunity to play hockey. The next 2 questions for them would be can they move further up to d1 varsity and keep their club teams as developmental programs. I mentioned this before on USCHO but the cronie posters didnt want any part of it for discussion.
Re: Should College Hockey grow? Does it need change?
RIT CANNOT offer hockey scholarships. All aid must be available everyone. Also, if it appears that more aid is going to hockey players, the NCAA will crackdown on them. They just need to look down the road about a half hour to see an example of this in Geneseo and Brockport.
RIT CANNOT offer hockey scholarships. All aid must be available everyone. Also, if it appears that more aid is going to hockey players, the NCAA will crackdown on them. They just need to look down the road about a half hour to see an example of this in Geneseo and Brockport.
Patman
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A lot of us think that your pet project (and in this you, Larry, are just as annoying as Octavius) will be VERY bad for this sport and the teams currently involved. I don't think anybody has any problem with Iowa moving up to varsity status. What everybody has a problem with is your gleeful desire to **** their school. While I don't think mine will be affected... but I think you'd understand if people get upset in regards towards your glee towards something that would substantially harm their school.
A lot of us think that your pet project (and in this you, Larry, are just as annoying as Octavius) will be VERY bad for this sport and the teams currently involved. I don't think anybody has any problem with Iowa moving up to varsity status. What everybody has a problem with is your gleeful desire to **** their school. While I don't think mine will be affected... but I think you'd understand if people get upset in regards towards your glee towards something that would substantially harm their school.
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GLEE, what are you talking about. BTHC wouldnt hurt any school, look whats currently happening on a much larger scale with the Big 12. Yea the conference is going to disintergrate but not the schools, they just realign into new conferences. That has been my point all along. So nothing is going to expand anyway until title IX is modiifed, schools cant afford the start up price and that is why you dont see expansion at the varsity level. Glee... just like everyone thinks that a BTHC would dominate and havent been with Boston College capturing 2 recent national titles. Im not annoying it just some fans dont want to understand change.
GLEE, what are you talking about. BTHC wouldnt hurt any school, look whats currently happening on a much larger scale with the Big 12. Yea the conference is going to disintergrate but not the schools, they just realign into new conferences. That has been my point all along. So nothing is going to expand anyway until title IX is modiifed, schools cant afford the start up price and that is why you dont see expansion at the varsity level. Glee... just like everyone thinks that a BTHC would dominate and havent been with Boston College capturing 2 recent national titles. Im not annoying it just some fans dont want to understand change.
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Patman
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ok... tell me why it would not be a disadvantage to the midwestern schools who are not part of the big 10.
BTW, have you not seen the meltdown by Bill Self at Kansas? He has a couple of national championships in basketball... why would he be worried if there's no problem?
ok... tell me why it would not be a disadvantage to the midwestern schools who are not part of the big 10.
BTW, have you not seen the meltdown by Bill Self at Kansas? He has a couple of national championships in basketball... why would he be worried if there's no problem?
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Where is the meltdown at Kansas? they can still schedule a tough nonconference schedule and go to the Big Dance. And we are talking about start up teams Kansas has been varsity quite sometime.
Again Title IX has created a financial stagnation for new sports going varsity, it used to take a smaller startup sum maybe these new mega conferences will push some money towards college hockey.
Where is the meltdown at Kansas? they can still schedule a tough nonconference schedule and go to the Big Dance. And we are talking about start up teams Kansas has been varsity quite sometime.
Again Title IX has created a financial stagnation for new sports going varsity, it used to take a smaller startup sum maybe these new mega conferences will push some money towards college hockey.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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No, they won't. They're going to push the extra money to football, so they can make even more money on football...
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I used the word "maybe" loosely.
One thing has happened that is good, the private sector has and had to come out and support club hockey. If the NCAA could make an extra effort (somewhere similar to the private sector) for additional revenue in college hockey, not only will the Big-Ten expand hockey across the board would and all these fears of contraction would turn into one hellva postseason tournament.
I used the word "maybe" loosely.
One thing has happened that is good, the private sector has and had to come out and support club hockey. If the NCAA could make an extra effort (somewhere similar to the private sector) for additional revenue in college hockey, not only will the Big-Ten expand hockey across the board would and all these fears of contraction would turn into one hellva postseason tournament.
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
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I agree with the problem of Title IX.
You didn't answer the question about the other schools.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/12308/kus-self-hopeful-but-frustrated
“Yeah I’m frustrated,’’ he said. “In the end, we’re going to have a home and who knows, it could be even better for us, but there’s a lot of concern. This doesn’t just affect us. This is about alumni, the state, giving, a fan base. The entire landscape of our university is going to change potentially for the next 35 to 50 years. Whether we believe we can compete at a very high level or not, that decision is being made for us.’’
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He's moderated his comments since... but I'm sure pressure from other sources will do that. If guys like him see a fundamental sea change as harmful then its likely others will as well.
edit: i know we are way off topic now
I agree with the problem of Title IX.
You didn't answer the question about the other schools.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/12308/kus-self-hopeful-but-frustrated
“Yeah I’m frustrated,’’ he said. “In the end, we’re going to have a home and who knows, it could be even better for us, but there’s a lot of concern. This doesn’t just affect us. This is about alumni, the state, giving, a fan base. The entire landscape of our university is going to change potentially for the next 35 to 50 years. Whether we believe we can compete at a very high level or not, that decision is being made for us.’’
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He's moderated his comments since... but I'm sure pressure from other sources will do that. If guys like him see a fundamental sea change as harmful then its likely others will as well.
edit: i know we are way off topic now
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That there is a guy who puts waaaaaay too much emphasis on college athletics and not enough on college academics.
Powers &8^]
That there is a guy who puts waaaaaay too much emphasis on college athletics and not enough on college academics.
Powers &8^]
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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He's the head basketball coach, what else did you expect?
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
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UConn wouldn't be what it is today without Jim Calhoun... without him nobody would give a **** about the school and they certainly wouldn't have fed 2 billion dollars to the school over 10 years. Its a lot more important than you think... all the wrong reasons, sure, but that's the reality.
UConn wouldn't be what it is today without Jim Calhoun... without him nobody would give a **** about the school and they certainly wouldn't have fed 2 billion dollars to the school over 10 years. Its a lot more important than you think... all the wrong reasons, sure, but that's the reality.
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Patman is right but so are academics, the funny thing is the mega money has slighted/powered the course a little for quite a few schools
Patman is right but so are academics, the funny thing is the mega money has slighted/powered the course a little for quite a few schools
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Are you saying there are Division I schools that do NOT give hockey scholarships?
This is outrageous! These schools probably don't even differentiate between athlete and non-athlete scholars, which gives the school a huge advantage recruiting hockey players and clearly incites recruiting violations and academic fraud. Has the NCAA heard about this inequity?
Dang holier-than-thou eggheads!
Are you saying there are Division I schools that do NOT give hockey scholarships?
This is outrageous! These schools probably don't even differentiate between athlete and non-athlete scholars, which gives the school a huge advantage recruiting hockey players and clearly incites recruiting violations and academic fraud. Has the NCAA heard about this inequity?
Dang holier-than-thou eggheads!