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Shooting at the Empire State Building

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FlagDUDE08 said:
Guns don't kill people. They could just use knives, or homemade explosives. Are you going to ban combustible liquids next?
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My guns have been sitting in my living room for about 9 months now. They have yet to kill someone. I'm lucky I bought well-behaved guns.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
My guns have been sitting in my living room for about 9 months now. They have yet to kill someone. I'm lucky I bought well-behaved guns.
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I don't know; I seem to remember you mentioned one jumped in one of your posts in tLodge. :D
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
I don't know; I seem to remember you mentioned one jumped in one of your posts in tLodge. :D
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The biggest problem I've had is Brent wanting to take pictures with them when he's drunk. Which is reason #1 that the ammunition is stored a long ways away, in a place where it would be tough to find if you didn't know it was there. :p
 
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bigblue_dl said:
The biggest problem I've had is Brent wanting to take pictures with them when he's drunk. Which is reason #1 that the ammunition is stored a long ways away, in a place where it would be tough to find if you didn't know it was there. :p
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And we all made sure before we hit the bars, and after we came home, that everything was locked away, etc etc etc etc. ;)

It was a funny picture, too. :)
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I saw some moron on Twitter going off about gun laws in the US, saying that we're the only civilized country that has this mass shooting problem. I got to thinking, while I don't agree with that, *cough*NORWAY*cough.
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Norway: 0.6 deaths per 100k
US: 4.2 deaths per 100k

US with 7:1 Norway's murder rate.

2010, UNODC
 
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5mn_Major said:
Norway: 0.6 deaths per 100k
US: 4.2 deaths per 100k

US with 7:1 Norway's murder rate.

2010, UNODC
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Yeah, but we've got a pesky 2nd Amendment plus "Stand Your Ground" which presumably accounts for a lot of those deaths and keeps you awake at night. Well, excluding the slaughter on the streets of Chicago, which you and the president find not important enough to mention.
 
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joecct said:
Chicago weighs in:
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Let me give you a little background on the gang originally known as the Blackstone Rangers. Back in the days of LBJ's "war on poverty," these thugs got a white minister to front for them and hired a grant writer. They got (IIRC) about $900,000.00 in "anti-poverty" money. Now any 9-year old in Chicago in those days would know not to give these a*sholes ANY money, let alone hundreds of thousands. But the white liberals in DC, doling out the money by the boxcar full, had no clue. Here's the giggle: the money came from the "Office of Economic Opportunity." I guess so.

The leader was a guy named Jeff Fort. Among other things, he used to money to pay himself and his top thugs handsome salaries. In addition, they spent a lot of money on heavy, military style weapons, which they stored in the basement of the church.

As an initiation into full membership, the Stones required juvenile members to commit a murder in order to make their bones.

The Blackstone Rangers became the Black P. Stone nation which became El Rukns. At some point, Jeff Fort offered the gang's services to Gadaffi in Libya. "We'll commit terrorism in the United States, if you pay us." That wound up on the radar of federal officials. Fort and others were convicted and sent to prison. Fort is serving consecutive life sentences at the Marian federal pen in Illinois. The new Alcatraz.

Don't know if Jeff Fort has any role with the gang now. Naturally he has taken some half a*s "islamic" name (Umma Gumma, or something). But the Blackstones or Black P. Stones or whatever the fook they call themselves, are as violent and vicious a bunch as you could ever find. Cops aren't afraid of them, exactly, but they are very cautious when dealing with them. These days they support themselves with all sorts of criminal activity. I surely hope and wish the mayor and maybe even his pal the president can figure out some strategy to get these urban animals off the streets. They make the guys in the Capone mob look like Mormon missionaries.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Norway: 0.6 deaths per 100k
US: 4.2 deaths per 100k

US with 7:1 Norway's murder rate.

2010, UNODC
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You're barking up the wrong tree. There is no way you'll convince me.

We have a people problem, not a gun problem.

I slept in the same room as my guns last night, I'm so lucky that one didn't up and kill me! I'm really living on the edge!
 
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bigblue_dl said:
You're barking up the wrong tree. There is no way you'll convince me.

We have a people problem, not a gun problem.

I slept in the same room as my guns last night, I'm so lucky that one didn't up and kill me! I'm really living on the edge!
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bigblue_dl said:
You're barking up the wrong tree. There is no way you'll convince me.

We have a people problem, not a gun problem.

I slept in the same room as my guns last night, I'm so lucky that one didn't up and kill me! I'm really living on the edge!
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Don't be so childish. No one is arguing that it's the guns themselves that make up the difference between what happens in Norway and what happens in the US. It's the culture that surrounds those guns, and the madmen that they produce that we want to keep our eyes on. While it's unfair to entirely blame the culture for the madman, I don't think it's reasonable to ignore whatever role it plays.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
As far as I am able to tell, the gun laws in Canada are quite similar to here (if someone knows more about Canadian gun laws, feel free to correct me), and I believe, for the most part, we'd consider Canada to be civilized....I don't think they have a problem with mass shootings up there. Seems to me like we have a crazy people problem, not a gun problem.
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Wrong-o!

Gun laws in Canada are much more restrictive - it's virtually impossible to own a handgun and if you do, it has to be kept under lock and key unless it's being transported to and from an approved shooting range. There's no carry-concealed permits that allow citizens to carry. Heck, back in my day we had to keep our department-issued firearms at the station when we weren't on duty.

However, that doesn't keep the gang-bangers from arming themselves. As for mass shootings, there's been two within a month of each other this summer in Toronto, along with dozens of gang-related shootings.
 
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Here's some news...Official: All 9 people injured in Friday's shooting near the Empire State Building were wounded by police gunfire.

Two things are required to kill quantities of people. One the will to kill. The other the means to kill. There are absolutely ways to ensure constitutional rights while managing both.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Here's some news...Official: All 9 people injured in Friday's shooting near the Empire State Building were wounded by police gunfire.

Two things are required to kill quantities of people. One the will to kill. The other the means to kill. There are absolutely ways to ensure constitutional rights while managing both.
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Sounds like the NYC cops need to go back to the range. Shameful marksmanship.
 
5mn_Major said:
Norway: 0.6 deaths per 100k
US: 4.2 deaths per 100k

US with 7:1 Norway's murder rate.

2010, UNODC
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Norways's climate ultimately plays a role in this as well. More shootings occur in warmer months and states. Take a look at any map of gun shootings per state and you will see the most violent states are in the south.

When you're freezing you a*s off, you don't have the energy to shoot other people. :D
 
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joecct said:
Sounds like the NYC cops need to go back to the range. Shameful marksmanship.
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http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf

Page 4, only about 15% of all shots fired by officers hit their mark during NYPD gunfights between the years 1990 and 2000. Marksmanship on the firing range doesn't necessarily translate to a real life gunfight when the adrenaline's pumping and the officer is literally fearing for his/her own life.
 
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St. Clown said:
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf

Page 4, only about 15% of all shots fired by officers hit their mark during NYPD gunfights between the years 1990 and 2000. Marksmanship on the firing range doesn't necessarily translate to a real life gunfight when the adrenaline's pumping and the officer is literally fearing for his/her own life.
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Something to bear in mind when people think how unfortunate it was none of the students at Virginia Tech was packing.
 
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