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Shannon Miller out at UMD?
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Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I was thinking it must have to do with the salaries...and here it is.
Merry Christmas and junk. Feel badly for Kingsbury just having arrived on the scene.
http://bulldoghockeyblog.areavoices...-shannon-miller-coaching-final-season-at-umd/
I was thinking it must have to do with the salaries...and here it is.
Merry Christmas and junk. Feel badly for Kingsbury just having arrived on the scene.
http://bulldoghockeyblog.areavoices...-shannon-miller-coaching-final-season-at-umd/
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Smells a little fishy. Men's cosch Sandelin makes 250K with his assistants making 225K. If money is the issue there are many other ways in the department to make budget cuts. Terrible timing really with the team having won 12 of its last 13. Students are in the middle of Finals Week. This isn't an easy situation for them either and this distraction is completely unwarranted
Smells a little fishy. Men's cosch Sandelin makes 250K with his assistants making 225K. If money is the issue there are many other ways in the department to make budget cuts. Terrible timing really with the team having won 12 of its last 13. Students are in the middle of Finals Week. This isn't an easy situation for them either and this distraction is completely unwarranted
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
If they're squeezed for cash maybe the scholarship pot takes a hit, too?
If they're squeezed for cash maybe the scholarship pot takes a hit, too?
frozenfeet
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I don’t think it was so much the salary but the unlimited supply of sequin shirts and leisure suites that was killing them
Seriously, the current salary can only be justified if you were still in the championship picture, disappearing from the big three rotation and not sniffing the playoffs for several years may have something to do with it.
I don’t think it was so much the salary but the unlimited supply of sequin shirts and leisure suites that was killing them
Seriously, the current salary can only be justified if you were still in the championship picture, disappearing from the big three rotation and not sniffing the playoffs for several years may have something to do with it.
Hux
Alfond to Ridder & rinks in between
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Surprised they didn't opt to drop a sport or two, which is what usually happens when an institution is cash strapped. Cutting out the coach who turned the program into a revenue sport doesn't seem too bright, nor does waiting until the end of the season to find a replacement. Recruiting is going to take a big hit.
Surprised they didn't opt to drop a sport or two, which is what usually happens when an institution is cash strapped. Cutting out the coach who turned the program into a revenue sport doesn't seem too bright, nor does waiting until the end of the season to find a replacement. Recruiting is going to take a big hit.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
UMD took a bit of an enrollment hit the last few years that took them somewhat by surprise and has given them budget challenges.
Wouldn't be surprising if Shannon Miller is a bit high maintenance also, which could make them less inclined to try to work it out now that she isn't winning so much.
The housecleaning that took place on the roster at the end end of last year really gave me the impression that she was scrambling to make a last ditch effort to turn things around and re-establish the program's winning ways. If so, it seems to be working, but I don't know that all athletic departments and schools want that kind housecleaning to be a part of their women's hockey program.
UMD took a bit of an enrollment hit the last few years that took them somewhat by surprise and has given them budget challenges.
Wouldn't be surprising if Shannon Miller is a bit high maintenance also, which could make them less inclined to try to work it out now that she isn't winning so much.
The housecleaning that took place on the roster at the end end of last year really gave me the impression that she was scrambling to make a last ditch effort to turn things around and re-establish the program's winning ways. If so, it seems to be working, but I don't know that all athletic departments and schools want that kind housecleaning to be a part of their women's hockey program.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Yeah.
Maybe waiting until the end of the season to start the search for an entire coaching staff is a show of respect for what she's done for the program. Even so, it sure increases the difficulty of the task. I wonder if Schuler and Kingsbury were approached with respect to pay cuts? Doesn't seem to make sense that you wouldn't have those discussions and plumb those depths before canning everyone if money was the only issue. There might have been a chance that all three would have agreed, seeing as the following article indicates that Miller was open to it, unless the AD just thought that the pay cuts would have to be so substantial that it would amount to an insult...but even so, I think it's a lot better to let your employees tell you that so that there is no guessing going on in a serious situation like this.
Just posted this on the UMD thread...
There's a little more in this article (the money issue wasn't a surprise to Miller)...including Team Captain Hickel's letting AD Berlo know what she thinks in a two word tweet...
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/spo...xtended-beyond
Yeah.
Maybe waiting until the end of the season to start the search for an entire coaching staff is a show of respect for what she's done for the program. Even so, it sure increases the difficulty of the task. I wonder if Schuler and Kingsbury were approached with respect to pay cuts? Doesn't seem to make sense that you wouldn't have those discussions and plumb those depths before canning everyone if money was the only issue. There might have been a chance that all three would have agreed, seeing as the following article indicates that Miller was open to it, unless the AD just thought that the pay cuts would have to be so substantial that it would amount to an insult...but even so, I think it's a lot better to let your employees tell you that so that there is no guessing going on in a serious situation like this.
Just posted this on the UMD thread...
There's a little more in this article (the money issue wasn't a surprise to Miller)...including Team Captain Hickel's letting AD Berlo know what she thinks in a two word tweet...
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/spo...xtended-beyond
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
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ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
"Budget cuts" - right. Miller has said that in summer meetings, she told UMD she was willing to take a pay cut. I second the mention of Sandelin's salary on the men's side, if the budget is really the issue.
What happens to the players who have officially committed to UMD? Are they stuck now with whatever Dollar Store staff replaces Miller's?
"Budget cuts" - right. Miller has said that in summer meetings, she told UMD she was willing to take a pay cut. I second the mention of Sandelin's salary on the men's side, if the budget is really the issue.
What happens to the players who have officially committed to UMD? Are they stuck now with whatever Dollar Store staff replaces Miller's?
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
No I'm pretty sure they are able to re-open their recruiting due to the coaching change, and even get out of an NLI if they wanted.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Of course, that's what happens because the recruits officially committed to the program with no conditions attached as to who the coach(es) would be even though the coach(es) might have been a major reason why the recruits committed.
For an even worse circumstance just look what happened at WSU a few years ago.
Of course, that's what happens because the recruits officially committed to the program with no conditions attached as to who the coach(es) would be even though the coach(es) might have been a major reason why the recruits committed.
For an even worse circumstance just look what happened at WSU a few years ago.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
very often in cases like this schools will let recruits out of their NLI's without penalty if they ask.
very often in cases like this schools will let recruits out of their NLI's without penalty if they ask.
ZedLeppelin
Motormouth
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
That's good news for those players. The underclassmen who went to UMD for the program under Miller can't be too happy right about now. Miller's recruiting reach is going to be missed there, too.
That's good news for those players. The underclassmen who went to UMD for the program under Miller can't be too happy right about now. Miller's recruiting reach is going to be missed there, too.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I think those players would be allowed to transfer without penalty as well.
TonyTheTiger20
#SOAR
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Let me be the first (second, really, after joegrav) to float Tracy Johnson's name for the job. Young up-and-comer, and from Minnesota too.
DO IT, DOGS. #TJ4UMD
Let me be the first (second, really, after joegrav) to float Tracy Johnson's name for the job. Young up-and-comer, and from Minnesota too.
DO IT, DOGS. #TJ4UMD
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
That's news to me, but good news if it is correct.
I broached that topic a number of years ago and was told a commitment is just that, a commitment, which was the basis for my previous comment. Coaches come and go and no guarantee can be made with respect to who the coaching staff will be, regardless of the program, is more or less what I was told. That certainly made sense to me.
That's news to me, but good news if it is correct.
I broached that topic a number of years ago and was told a commitment is just that, a commitment, which was the basis for my previous comment. Coaches come and go and no guarantee can be made with respect to who the coaching staff will be, regardless of the program, is more or less what I was told. That certainly made sense to me.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
the bottom line is you don't want people at your school who don't want to be there...and especially when the removal of the coach is over something that is very much in the gray and not the black or white, you probably don't need the headache or bad PR that could come with going down the appeals process, etc.
the bottom line is you don't want people at your school who don't want to be there...and especially when the removal of the coach is over something that is very much in the gray and not the black or white, you probably don't need the headache or bad PR that could come with going down the appeals process, etc.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
That is correct. A student athlete signs an NLI with a program, not a coach. But as others say, coaches will usually release a player who doesn't want to be there, but there have been exceptions.