SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

[Red Cloud]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Marvin's suspension is because he's a serial offender.

Hey, you got it! Take a bow!

 

[RedFreak]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Hey, you got it!

Yeah, but you don't:

Yes, we get it that Marvin's suspension is only because Geoffrion got hurt, just like you would expect under "zero tolerance."

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Since so many of you want, have, need to believe it, ... fine.

Here's the memo.

Satisfied?

Fellow Sioux fans,

Our pawn and minion, McLeod, has completed his task.

Our plan is moving forward.


Signed,

Kommissar of Skulduggery
The Vast Fighting Sioux Conspiracy
" ... if you only knew ... "

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I believe that article makes it clear that Aaron Marvin was completely innocent. His suspension should be lifted and a statue should be build in his honor at all the WCHA arenas. No one in the history of the world has been persecuted more than Aaron Marvin. Everyone should personally apologize for questioning the Marsiah.

Dead Marsiah,

I am sorry for thinking you did anything wrong. You did not. You are the greatest person in the history of the world, please accept my humble apology.

In Your Debt because you're so awesomely awesome,

Dirty

Game. Set. Thread.

 

[huskiesfan1990]

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Does this mean that UND has to now pass the WCHA "halos" to SCSU?

No, we could never measure up to UND's level. We don't whine enough.

 

[PCM]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Yes, we get it that Marvin's suspension is only because Geoffrion got hurt, just like you would expect under "zero tolerance."

The problem is, Knight never hit Connolly in the head. He delivered a shoulder check that caused Connolly's head to hit the glass. That, to me, is boarding, but not contact to the head.

 

[Husky4Life]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I will be excited when some kid from Wisco and Nodak has a dirty hit, I will skewer him like a pig at a roast.

I like how everyone is trying to crucify Marvin as if his is the first player to dish out questionable hits.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I will be excited when some kid from Wisco and Nodak has a dirty hit, I will skewer him like a pig at a roast.

I like how everyone is trying to crucify Marvin as if his is the first player to dish out questionable hits.

What you folks don't understand is that UND fans have lived with scrutiny for years:

Commodore was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Prpich was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Greene was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Finley was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Now it's Hextall that's guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.​

They earned tougher scrutiny, and continually got it. Such is life.


Now an SCSU "wannabe halo" is deservedly facing such scrutiny and SCSUies* can't take it.


*SCSUi : pronounced "scu-si" (think like Favre); "scusi" is the Italian word for "excuses". Plural form is "SCSUies" and their battle cry is, "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!"

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I will be excited when some kid from Wisco and Nodak has a dirty hit, I will skewer him like a pig at a roast.

I like how everyone is trying to crucify Marvin as if his is the first player to dish out questionable hits.

Nobody's skewering Marvin. He got his punishment and I'm satisfied with it.

We're trying to get you people to stop defending him like he didn't do what he did.

If a Badger does something similar and gets suspended, I won't cry about it and claim that he doesn't deserve it. I'll take it, hope he learns from it and move on.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

What you folks don't understand is that UND fans have lived with scrutiny for years:

Commodore was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Prpich was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Greene was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Finley was guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.
Now it's Hextall that's guilty for and of stepping onto the ice.​

That's like a penal league roster.

 

[PCM]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I will be excited when some kid from Wisco and Nodak has a dirty hit, I will skewer him like a pig at a roast.

I like how everyone is trying to crucify Marvin as if his is the first player to dish out questionable hits.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Because of what happened to Robbie Bina and Derrick LaPoint (twice), UND is the last team that should be getting called for checking from behind.

And because of what happened to Chay Genoway, UND is the last team that should be getting called for contact to the head.

Despite that, UND continues to take checking from behind and contact to the head penalties. So it may only be a matter of time before you get your wish. At that point, I will not rationalize or make excuses for whatever Sioux player commits the act. He will deserve whatever punishment he gets.

The problem is that even though the NCAA has made checking from behind and contact to the head points of emphasis, the WCHA has avoided consistently enforcing the rules -- until a player is seriously injured.

Unfortunately, the NCAA has failed to hold the WCHA accountable for its lack of enforcement, which only exacerbates the problem. It creates the perception that player safety isn't of paramount importance. The more players get away with making dangerous hits, the more likely it becomes that another player will have his career ended prematurely or spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair -- or worse.

And then the WCHA and NCAA will pretend that they never saw it coming when, in fact, they had the power and authority to help prevent it.

 

[johnnyredshoes]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

The problem is that even though the NCAA has made checking from behind and contact to the head points of emphasis, the WCHA has avoided consistently enforcing the rules -- until a player is seriously injured.

Unfortunately, the NCAA has failed to hold the WCHA accountable for its lack of enforcement, which only exacerbates the problem. It creates the perception that player safety isn't of paramount importance. The more players get away with making dangerous hits, the more likely it becomes that another player will have his career ended prematurely or spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair -- or worse.

And then the WCHA and NCAA will pretend that they never saw it coming when, in fact, they had the power and authority to help prevent it.

very well said.

 

[ts8801]

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One more time.

If the video had continued, you'd see that Connolly popped up and jumped back into play.

The WCHA, which has access to far better video than what's shown in the YouTube clip, looked at Knight's hit and determined that it was clean.

It's not that I have great faith in the league to make correct decisions. However, given what happened to UND's Mario Lamoureux (suspended for a minor penalty that went uncalled during the game) and Brett Hextall (tagged with a checking from behind major he never committed), there's no doubt in my mind that if the WCHA felt it had a legitimate reason to suspend Knight, it would have done so.

We also have much higher quality video from youtube but you just failed to download it, and post it on your blog, either through incompetence of knowing how to get it or purposely trying to hide the maliciousness of the hit

The fans did not suspend Blake, the league did. For an illegal hit. According to league rules. Intent as judged by Blake is not a factor in the least. Blake's just trying to be a stand up guy, which shows his class.

Nice to know UW players can show class when their fans can't. And I didn't know Blake got suspended he really got the shaft there.

 

[brianvf]

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We also have much higher quality video from youtube but you just failed to download it, and post it on your blog, either through incompetence of knowing how to get it or purposely trying to hide the maliciousness of the hit

This is high quality humor right here.
Preach on, man! Darn that PCM and his elaborate YouTube cover-up!

 

[ts8801]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

This is high quality humor right here.
Preach on, man! Darn that PCM and his elaborate YouTube cover-up!

Just pointing out he posted the low quality version of what youtube put up. I downloaded a much clearer version for the Marvin Blake hit.

 

[motox]

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We're trying to get you people to stop defending him like he didn't do what he did.

Who's defending it? Every SCSU poster I've seen has said the hit on Genoway was dirty, cheap, etc. Every SCSU poster I've seen agrees that the hit on Geoffrion should've been called a penalty. From there people disagree on the suspension, how it impacts future decisions, etc. I don't understand how "you people" keep trying to paint a picture that isn't there?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Who's defending it? Every SCSU poster I've seen has said the hit on Genoway was dirty, cheap, etc. Every SCSU poster I've seen agrees that the hit on Geoffrion should've been called a penalty. From there people disagree on the suspension, how it impacts future decisions, etc. I don't understand how "you people" keep trying to paint a picture that isn't there?

There are posters claiming that it was a "good hit" when it was in fact illegal. It cannot by definition be both.

An illegal chop block in football can be effective, but not legal. Being an effective block doesn't make it a good block if it's illegal.

A helmet to helmet hit in football can be effective and spectacular, but not legal. Therefore, it's not a "good" hit.

 

[ts8801]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

There are posters claiming that it was a "good hit" when it was in fact illegal. It cannot by definition be both.

An illegal chop block in football can be effective, but not legal. Being an effective block doesn't make it a good block if it's illegal.

A helmet to helmet hit in football can be effective and spectacular, but not legal. Therefore, it's not a "good" hit.

No that is the thing your thick skull can't comprehend we agree it should be a penalty, but unlike a chop block or a h2h hit this was a fluke hit that turned bad. If not for a crappy pass by one of your players it would have resulted in a great open ice hit. But just like your lack of attention to details you miss that every time.

 

[motox]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

There are posters claiming that it was a "good hit" when it was in fact illegal. It cannot by definition be both.

An illegal chop block in football can be effective, but not legal. Being an effective block doesn't make it a good block if it's illegal.

A helmet to helmet hit in football can be effective and spectacular, but not legal. Therefore, it's not a "good" hit.

You guys like to keep dragging this on with claims that just aren't true. The only poster I have seen say it was a good hit is TB, maybe there's more but none that I can think of. He is also comparing it to the NHL, and I doubt you or anyone else will change his mind on how to label the hit. I think I've read about a dozen times that if "hits like that are going to result in suspensions it's bad for the league." TB, at least you're persistent even if the message is a little off.

 

[Dirty]

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Just pointing out he posted the low quality version of what youtube put up. I downloaded a much clearer version for the Marvin Blake hit.

So if you have the video why don't you share it instead of blaming PCM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_hosting_websites
http://tinypic.com/