SCSU 2010-2011 Season Thread- Frozen Four or Bust

[Skeeterman]

Re: SCSU 2010-2011 Season Thread- Frozen Four or Bust

The only way they are all D1 school is if they drop football.....That or they get one huge donation to make it happen.

I was talking to a former player last weekend and he brought up the fact the conference is a joke now. He said the team is really good this year, but it is like playing a level down from what it use to be since the big boys(north dakota and south dakota schools) moved up. He said it was crazy playing in Fargo and Brookings in front of fans that actually cared and now half your schedule is a joke and a cake walk. he was dissapointed the program didn't move up when the other NCC schools did. Of course he isn't dumb either and realizes you have to have fan suppport to move up and SCSU doesn't have much of that.

Of course, you have to win to gain support. Academians are like politicians-out of touch with reality.

Hump the Bobcats-now that's realilty!!

 

[The Vicar]

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The only way they are all D1 school is if they drop football.....That or they get one huge donation to make it happen.

I was talking to a former player last weekend and he brought up the fact the conference is a joke now. He said the team is really good this year, but it is like playing a level down from what it use to be since the big boys(north dakota and south dakota schools) moved up. He said it was crazy playing in Fargo and Brookings in front of fans that actually cared and now half your schedule is a joke and a cake walk. he was dissapointed the program didn't move up when the other NCC schools did. Of course he isn't dumb either and realizes you have to have fan suppport to move up and SCSU doesn't have much of that.

I still believe that with the right leadership and vision it could have happened...but with the current leadership, i;e our glorious a.d. it isn't going to happen!

 

[bigmrg74]

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The only way they are all D1 school is if they drop football.....That or they get one huge donation to make it happen.

I was talking to a former player last weekend and he brought up the fact the conference is a joke now. He said the team is really good this year, but it is like playing a level down from what it use to be since the big boys(north dakota and south dakota schools) moved up. He said it was crazy playing in Fargo and Brookings in front of fans that actually cared and now half your schedule is a joke and a cake walk. he was dissapointed the program didn't move up when the other NCC schools did. Of course he isn't dumb either and realizes you have to have fan suppport to move up and SCSU doesn't have much of that.

For me, a lot of the fun of watching my team beat up on a crummy team was later in the game when we had the 2's and 3rd string in, and mocking the other team that just wasn't that good. Sometimes we would coach em up, or like when they would be forced to punt again, encourange em to fake it. Not like field position was going to do em much good down by 40 in the fourth quarter. One can always have fun at a game if they want to have fun. And no worries, the good teams will be coming up for SCSU this year. Minnesota-Duluth, while down their Harlon Hill candidate for the year, is still a force to be rececond with. And in the playoffs, who knows what can happen there. There's still quite a few teams out there fighting and scratching for a spot. SCSU just happens to have a leg up on most of them right now.

 

[Husckey Domi Nation]

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Its another ten million a year minimum just to be a warm body with a pulse. Thats an aweful lot of money right there to be spending just for the chance that SCSU can add its name to the long list of schools that have beaten the Gophers in football. Seems like everybody else has. Why not worry about besting the rest of the NSIC first before you start making grandious plans on being a big deal, scores on the ESPN Ticker D1 school. At best, St. Cloud would become a MAC school, and nobody cares about those schools either.

No, that's not how I understood one of the options that Dr. Potter is considering. If the men's football program is discontinued (and therefore SCSU MUST leave the NCIS after next year), then SCSU may apply to join a D1 coference with its remaining programs and work to add a men's football program at a later time. That's not my preference, but the idea that you need "big money" to go DI is not necessary if you can find a proper conference for membership and the travel doesn't overburden your budget. That may be the tricky part in pursuing that option; but, I don't believe it is absolutely necesary to have seed financing, a major donor, or some type of "big money" (which SCSU doesn't currently have or expect to receive in the near future) to go D1.

In addition, going D1 independent (without a designated conference) initially may afford SCSU the opportunity to play teams like UND, SDSU, NDS and other former NCC member schools. Keep in mind, many schools in the NCIS are watching what SCSU does because ALL schools are currently in some type of financial squeeze. SCSU may be rockin' the NCIS boat, but we may not be the only university looking to maybe get out.

 

[Dirty]

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What DI conference would want SCSU though? The Summit? That will likely be filled if UND is accepted, like it's expected they will be. The Big Sky? They are in talks with UND, but who knows if they are actually seriously considering UND. They weren't all that interested in NDSU, SDSU or USD. So why would they be interested in a school that is even further west and that doesn't have a football team? There are really no other DI conferences that I can think of that would want SCSU that SCSU would also want to join when you take in travel costs.

I think the Summit would be the best conference for SCSU should they go DI. They'd need other schools to leave the conference for that to be a possibility though.

 

[Husckey Domi Nation]

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I think the Summit would be the best conference for SCSU should they go DI. They'd need other schools to leave the conference for that to be a possibility though.

As I posted earlier, there are many universities struggling with current and future financing in this country and this climate makes it very likely that a school will leave a conference such as SCSU is considering. The Summit League would be overjoyed to consider SCSU as a member in lieu of . . . Southern Utah? Oral Roberts?

Gimme a break as to your implication that no conference would be interested in SCSU.

 

[Dirty]

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No, I said other than the Big Sky and Summit there probably wouldn't be a conference interested in SCSU that SCSU is also interested in. And that even the Big Sky would be questionable given SCSU wouldn't have football. Getting into a DI conference isn't as easy as it seems it should be.

But please if I'm wrong, point out what conferences would be interested in SCSU that SCSU would also be interested in given your admission of keeping travel costs down.

 

[Bronzebacks]

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No, I said other than the Big Sky and Summit there probably wouldn't be a conference interested in SCSU that SCSU is also interested in. And that even the Big Sky would be questionable given SCSU wouldn't have football. Getting into a DI conference isn't as easy as it seems it should be.

But please if I'm wrong, point out what conferences would be interested in SCSU that SCSU would also be interested in given your admission of keeping travel costs down.

These are valid questions. I do not think SCSU has the means to go DI anytime in the near future. I was thinking a new DII conference could possibly emerge before we would go DI.

 

[Husckey Domi Nation]

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No, I said other than the Big Sky and Summit there probably wouldn't be a conference interested in SCSU that SCSU is also interested in. And that even the Big Sky would be questionable given SCSU wouldn't have football. Getting into a DI conference isn't as easy as it seems it should be.

But please if I'm wrong, point out what conferences would be interested in SCSU that SCSU would also be interested in given your admission of keeping travel costs down.

I don't agree with your contention that only two D1 conferences would have mutual interests with SCSU. First, I don't know what Dr. Potter would be looking for in a D1 conference. Second, your contention that an existing conference is the only option for SCSU to go D1 negates the possibility of being an independent for a period of time until locating a conference. Third, conferences themselves are dissolving and evolving as we see with the WCHA, CCHA and potential BTHC. Who is to say that a whole new conference may not form in the near future. Fourth, if you want to limit your query as to existing conferences, then some D1 conferences to consider other than The Summit League and the Big Sky could possibly be The Great West Conference (SCSU would have the 2nd largest school enrollment) or the Missouri Valley Conference (SCSU would have the fourth largest enrollment) or the Horizon League (SCSU would have the fourth largest enrollment) or possibly various Great Lakes Conferences.

One of the problems SCSU and other universities in this general region would have in joining a D1 conference is that there are limited options in the Midwest or Upper Midwest. However, contrary to suggestions from posters that SCSU should just choose another D2 conference, the current situation is that there are also limited options for D2 conferences (or even D3 conferences) in this general region as well.

So the point being is that if you are considering your options about leaving your current conference, why not look to D1? It was an option raised that I had not considered when the financial problems at SCSU first became public earlier this year. But that option seems more plausible after further examination.

 

[Pump It Up]

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I don't agree with your contention that only two D1 conferences would have mutual interests with SCSU. First, I don't know what Dr. Potter would be looking for in a D1 conference. Second, your contention that an existing conference is the only option for SCSU to go D1 negates the possibility of being an independent for a period of time until locating a conference. Third, conferences themselves are dissolving and evolving as we see with the WCHA, CCHA and potential BTHC. Who is to say that a whole new conference may not form in the near future. Fourth, if you want to limit your query as to existing conferences, then some D1 conferences to consider other than The Summit League and the Big Sky could possibly be The Great West Conference (SCSU would have the 2nd largest school enrollment) or the Missouri Valley Conference (SCSU would have the fourth largest enrollment) or the Horizon League (SCSU would have the fourth largest enrollment) or possibly various Great Lakes Conferences.

One of the problems SCSU and other universities in this general region would have in joining a D1 conference is that there are limited options in the Midwest or Upper Midwest. However, contrary to suggestions from posters that SCSU should just choose another D2 conference, the current situation is that there are also limited options for D2 conferences (or even D3 conferences) in this general region as well.

So the point being is that if you are considering your options about leaving your current conference, why not look to D1? It was an option raised that I had not considered when the financial problems at SCSU first became public earlier this year. But that option seems more plausible after further examination.

The Great West Conference? You lose. No one gives a **** about anything besides hockey as it is, there is no legitimate reason to go D-I.

 

[Husckey Domi Nation]

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The Great West Conference? You lose. No one gives a **** about anything besides hockey as it is, there is no legitimate reason to go D-I.

Really. That's it? That's all you got?

You'd better send your critical thinking and deep analysis to the powers that be at SCSU. Quick.

 

[Pump It Up]

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Really. That's it? That's all you got?

You'd better send your critical thinking and deep analysis to the powers that be at SCSU. Quick.

Sorry guy, most people here don't need much of an explanation to see why D-I is not viable for SCSU. The Great West has UND, USD (who are about to leave) and schools from each coast. The Great West is the CHA of D-I AA schools looking for other options. It's been difficult for UND to find a conference and even that isn't a done deal yet. UND has a larger fan base and a more storied tradition than SCSU, so excuse me for thinking it would be extremely difficult for SCSU.

I should have known that an individual who is not capable of spelling his team's mascot correctly would need a more detailed explanation.

 

[First Time Long Time]

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They aren't going to the Great West without football and they aren't going to D-1 with football.

 

[bigmrg74]

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No, that's not how I understood one of the options that Dr. Potter is considering. If the men's football program is discontinued (and therefore SCSU MUST leave the NCIS after next year), then SCSU may apply to join a D1 coference with its remaining programs and work to add a men's football program at a later time. That's not my preference, but the idea that you need "big money" to go DI is not necessary if you can find a proper conference for membership and the travel doesn't overburden your budget. That may be the tricky part in pursuing that option; but, I don't believe it is absolutely necesary to have seed financing, a major donor, or some type of "big money" (which SCSU doesn't currently have or expect to receive in the near future) to go D1.

In addition, going D1 independent (without a designated conference) initially may afford SCSU the opportunity to play teams like UND, SDSU, NDS and other former NCC member schools. Keep in mind, many schools in the NCIS are watching what SCSU does because ALL schools are currently in some type of financial squeeze. SCSU may be rockin' the NCIS boat, but we may not be the only university looking to maybe get out.

Berrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... Nope, doesn't quite work that way anymore now. All the big boys in D1 got tired of all the lousy schools like New Jersey Tech and Savannah State going D1 and totally stinking up the join, and taking away the small slices of the pie that is what everybody gets from the Big Dance in March. North Dakota was one of the last schools to go D1 before they changed the rules for everybody. Now, you have to get a D1 league to invite you to move up to D1. And then you gotta give the NCAA a million bucks to begin the process of transition. Its not going to be as simple as saying, "Hey, lets be D1 now." to be a D1 school.

Furthermore, why would you want to drop football just to help fund a transition to D1 and then bring back football?? You would be a lot better off keeping the team together, figuring out how you're going to fund yourselves as a D1 school before you even make the move. You drop the program, and you lose whatever level of success you're at right now. And when you do bring back football, you would have a few classes of guys that are all young and would be getting their butts handed to them a lot. You're much better having a team during the transition, so that they can have some Seniors around to guide the younger kids, and season them up for when they're a full fledged D1 program, as you would have to spend some time in Limbo, as you're not longer D2, but not post season eligible for D1 yet.

 

[The Vicar]

Berrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....... Nope, doesn't quite work that way anymore now. All the big boys in D1 got tired of all the lousy schools like New Jersey Tech and Savannah State going D1 and totally stinking up the join, and taking away the small slices of the pie that is what everybody gets from the Big Dance in March. North Dakota was one of the last schools to go D1 before they changed the rules for everybody. Now, you have to get a D1 league to invite you to move up to D1. And then you gotta give the NCAA a million bucks to begin the process of transition. Its not going to be as simple as saying, "Hey, lets be D1 now." to be a D1 school.

After tonight they can save money by dropping the hockey program...they suck!!!!!

 

[Dirty]

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UND appears to be going to the Big Sky, so perhaps SCSU can eventually get into the Summit. Especially given the Summit doesn't sponsor football. But I doubt it because I highly doubt SCSU is going DI. With the financial difficulties they are having, dropping football only to add more sports just so they can be in compliance with DI regulations sounds like a pretty stupid plan.

 

[Skeeterman]

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Frozen Four or Bust? I pick Bust.

 

[SCSU Production Man]

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I am becoming slowly suicidal with this team...our play is awful, way to high of expectations preseason for Minnesota sports has always been a let down, its a good thing the T-Puppies won last night....if I have to start to rely on them for my positive sports vibe it could be a very very very long winter.

 

[HumRsky]

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I think people are underestimating interest in football this season. In looking at the photo galleries of this season's home games, the shots where you can see the whole grandstand show that they're packed. Also, my dad went to the meeting about it, which completely packed the room, and he said the attitude of Potter and Kurtz was that they just used football to get peoples' attention, but weren't actually as serious about dropping football as they originally said.

 

[bigmrg74]

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St. Cloud (16) 17
Minnesota-Duluth (1) 40

It would have been closer if it hadn't been for those turnovers. Still, with only 2 losses, SCSU does have a shot at the playoffs. Unfortunally for them, so does Hillsdale, Michigan Tech, Wayne St(MI) and whoever comes out of the RMAC as well that are all in the hunt, with the RMAC team having the best odds of making it in via Earned Access.