SCOTUS, Now with KBJ

[WeAreNDHockey]

Typical Democrats. Civility over human rights.

MissT's analogy from a day or two ago seems more and more apt. The democrats are beginning to look more and more like some feared. It is time for them to acting like a party trying to save a democracy rather than a party clinging to some decades old and long since passed notion of politics as usual. It needs to begin with Biden and he needs to be out front leading the charge.

I was fully supportive of Biden's tone and statements while running for office, and in his first few weeks and months he mostly lived up to what I hoped for. But things are moving too quickly and there is too much to lose by him clinging to some notion that the other side is worth working with. If they are, they can come along. We have seen a handful of examples of some who are at least willing to believe in the notion that there are some things that are just true, but you can count them on your hands with fingers left over. It can't be Biden's politics as usual anymore.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

MissT's analogy from a day or two ago seems more and more apt. The democrats are beginning to look more and more like some feared. It is time for them to acting like a party trying to save a democracy rather than a party clinging to some decades old and long since passed notion of politics as usual. It needs to begin with Biden and he needs to be out front leading the charge.

Democracy is dead. As was posted earlier. Half the country believes that Democracy leads to socialism and socialism leads to communism. They are winning the war of ideas and the idea is autocracy.

 

[Kepler]

I used to live in nyc.

of course I never went to states island

Your waste did.

 

[Slap Shot]

Democrats need to collectively talk about the economy until the midterms are over. It should be their #1 talking point. Which doesn't mean RvW needs to be cast aside but the only thing that matters right now is not having their asses handed to them in November, and the biggest factor in preventing that from happening is getting liberals to vote.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Saw this on Twitter.

Dear birthing vessels,

Your uterus is now property of the US government. You are subject to infant inventory quotas and required to comply. Thank you for your service to the Fatherland.

Sincerely, The US Supreme Court.

 

[rufus]

Democracy is dead. As was posted earlier. Half the country believes that Democracy leads to socialism and socialism leads to communism. They are winning the war of ideas and the idea is autocracy.

Well, you can't go around talking about your good friends and respected colleagues across the aisle, who want the same things as you, but just have a different path toward achieving them, and then campaign that you have to elect me, because Republicans will destroy democracy as we know it.

Its one or the other. Pick a side.

 

[Handyman]

I posted that yesterday, never heard if they really were fdny

https://twitter.com/FDNY/status/1523684742305964038

Not sure I buy it but according to them he was not a member of FDNY. My guess is his brother or father was and he is just stealing their honor pretending like he isn't a complete and total loser.

edit: the name on the jacket was identified and it appears it belongs to someone who retired or at at least the son of a firefighter who is not a member. Very tough to tell but either way the guy has no dick.

 

[Handyman]

Democrats need to collectively talk about the economy until the midterms are over. It should be their #1 talking point. Which doesn't mean RvW needs to be cast aside but the only thing that matters right now is not having their asses handed to them in November, and the biggest factor in preventing that from happening is getting liberals to vote.

Completely disagree. The economy will not get liberals to the polls. RvW will...

(unless you are being sarcastic...in which case we need emoticons back)

 

[Kepler]

Completely disagree. The economy will not get liberals to the polls. RvW will...

(unless you are being sarcastic...in which case we need emoticons back)

Both.

And throw the coup and their Putin support back in the GOP Members' faces. There may actually be a few people out there who would like America to remain a nation of laws and not armed hooligans. Fighting the coup is the ultimate law and order issue.

 

[Kepler]

https://twitter.com/FDNY/status/1523684742305964038

Not sure I buy it but according to them he was not a member of FDNY. My guess is his brother or father was and he is just stealing their honor pretending like he isn't a complete and total loser.

edit: the name on the jacket was identified and it appears it belongs to someone who retired or at at least the son of a firefighter who is not a member. Very tough to tell but either way the guy has no dick.

Odds are good whoever's shirt it was fully agrees with him, though.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Odds are good whoever's shirt it was fully agrees with him, though.

“Staten Island isn’t all racist cops and heroin, it has also has meth and racist firefighters!”

 

[Kepler]

“Staten Island isn’t all racist cops and heroin, it has also has meth and racist firefighters!”

Pete Davidson or Colin Jost?

 

[Slap Shot]

Completely disagree. The economy will not get liberals to the polls. RvW will...

(unless you are being sarcastic...in which case we need emoticons back)

Like I said RvW needs to still be a topic but if it's at the forefront?

In the new survey, 29% of voters who lean Republican said they were extremely enthusiastic to vote this November. Just 20% of voters who lean Democratic said the same thing.

Four years ago at this point, 27% of voters who leaned Democratic were extremely enthusiastic compared with 21% who leaned Republican. Democrats would go on to win back the US House in 2018.

So why does the national environment still favor Republicans? It's not because voters are in favor of overturning Roe. (Our poll shows voters are overwhelmingly against doing so.) Nor is it because Americans trust Republicans on abortion. (Our poll indicates Americans see their views as closer to Democrats' on abortion by double digits.)

The answer lies in what I wrote about earlier this week: the economy. Many more Americans (46%) said they viewed Republicans as closer to their position on the economy than Democrats (31%). The GOP's 15-point lead on this question is critical given that 50% of Americans put the economy as the top issue facing the country, according to the April 28-May 1 CNN poll.

As much as Democrats wish it wasn't the case, their electoral hopes will go down the drain if Americans continue to see the economy the way they do now and it remains a top problem in voters' minds come November. This is probably true regardless of how the Supreme Court ultimately rules on abortion.

 

[Kepler]

That's not the reason. The reason is the Right gives its base something to fight for: raw, red meat. Passion. A direct and unambiguous message.

The Center, by definition, is wishy-washy. At its best that is because it is judicious, but in the realm of politicians it is because it is tentative, compromising, CYAing, and insincere. And that flop sweat comes off them and the voters smell it. Nobody is going to be inspired by Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi. Insiders may be very impressed by their process acumen: I think Nancy Pelosi is one of the most talented House strategists of all time. But elections turn on the common herd who respond to emotions, and to them the Dems offer worse than nothing, as when true passion in the form of a Bernie rises the circular firing squad goes into action while the Worry Bead Brigade cries that if we just once campaign on our real values and ambitions for this country we will be destroyed by Middle America.

Well, Middle America is already destroying us. The key to Democratic majorities is inspiring action to magnetize voters in the cities and in communities of color, and that means radical economic redistribution.

Paradoxically, the only way Handy and dx and other Centrists can get what they want is to have a Democratic candidate whom they would oppose, because of the windfall of voters from the Left that would release. Would the result be actual radical Left policy? No -- it took the Radical Right FORTY years to achieve what they have. But it would rebalance American politics back to the Center. As it is, we have Democrats voting for what they are comfortable with: a cautious and careful Centrism, against Republicans voting for the most extreme possible incarnation of their policies. Democrats negotiate by opening with their final position, while Republicans open with infinity.

Dems have to learn to open with infinity. It's the only way to stop the bleeding, assuming their last half century of dicking around has not already sunk us.

If you want a Center country, join me on the Cuckoo Fringe Left. Why TF else do you think I'm out here? I'm rich for fuck sake. I don't want The Terror any more than you do (Bezos excepted). But that's not the problem at hand and it won't be for decades. The problem at hand is fascism not just at the door but literally inside the house.

Every one of you morons ought to be forming your own local Jacobin club, just to fight the Birchers.

 

[Slap Shot]

That's not the reason. The reason is the Right gives its base something to fight for: raw, red meat. Passion. A direct and unambiguous message..

We're in agreement on the latter (see my reply in another thread) but these ideas are not mutually exclusive. The majority of Americans disagree with what SCOTUS is going to do with RvW but it's not going to get enough people to vote against the Republicans to make a difference in November. It's just not.

 

[Kepler]

We're in agreement on the latter (see my reply in another thread) but these ideas are not mutually exclusive. The majority of Americans disagree with what SCOTUS is going to do with RvW but it's not going to get enough people to vote against the Republicans to make a difference in November. It's just not.

When the GOP was waving the bloody shirt of abortion for those single issue voters they also preached other things to pick up other factions: hatred of immigrants, unrestrained sociopathic Plutocracy, racism.

Likewise, we can use abortion as a powerful single issue to get every woman with a working brain between 18 to 28 to vote Democratic out of pure self-preservation, while also putting out a menu of economic, fiscal, and ethical policies to pull in others.

There is no magic bullet. We have to use many tools. But we can. My god, the Right married fundamentalist, literalist dogmatic Christianity to vicious, unrestrained Capitalism, the most unChristian economic philosophy the world has ever known. Coalitions happen.

 

[Slap Shot]

When the GOP was waving the bloody shirt of abortion for those single issue voters they also preached other things to pick up other factions: hatred of immigrants, unrestrained sociopathic Plutocracy, racism.

Likewise, we can use abortion as a powerful single issue to get every woman with a working brain between 18 to 28 to vote Democratic out of pure self-preservation, while also putting out a menu of economic, fiscal, and ethical policies to pull in others.

There is no magic bullet. We have to use many tools. But we can. My god, the Right married fundamentalist, literalist dogmatic Christianity to vicious, unrestrained Capitalism, the most unChristian economic philosophy the world has ever known. Coalitions happen.

I agree there is no magic bullet and I said the Democrats don't need to cast RvW aside but if it's their primary objective they will go "bye bye" in November.

I wish I could find the link, but despite the fact the majority of Americans support legalized abortion there's a good % of even women that do not see it as their #1 issue right now. How many women ever have an abortion in the U.S.? Less than 1 in 4 right?

There's a plethora of reasons to nail the GQP to their own cross.

 

[burd]

The reason is the Right gives its base something to fight for: raw, red meat. Passion. A direct and unambiguous message.

The Center, by definition, is wishy-washy.

Not that the Center is the "best," but Yeats comes immediately to mind.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I agree there is no magic bullet and I said the Democrats don't need to cast RvW aside but if it's their primary objective they will go "bye bye" in November.

I wish I could find the link, but despite the fact the majority of Americans support legalized abortion there's a good % of even women that do not see it as their #1 issue right now. How many women ever have an abortion in the U.S.? Less than 1 in 4 right?

There's a plethora of reasons to nail the GQP to their own cross.

I believe it’s close to 25% of women and it’s about the right to fucking privacy- the right to marriage, consent, birth control and privacy affects a fuck ton more than just abortion

 

[Slap Shot]

I believe it’s close to 25% of women and it’s about the right to fucking privacy- the right to marriage, consent, birth control and privacy affects a fuck ton more than just abortion

Good Lord you think I'm not on the right side of this issue?

All I'm saying is the tea leaves coming from non-fascist sources far more astute than I am are saying that yes RvW massively matters, but that along with CRT and forgiving student loan debt are not going to Jumpstart a movement to shut down the mouthe-breathers this November.

Disagree if you want.