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SCOTUS 14: Confirming a Rabid Partisan to Own the Libs

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Not quite sure which judiciary thread this fits best in, but Sixth Circuit rules that chalking tires for parking enforcement is unconstitutional.
 
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That’s actually a really interesting ruling. I couldn’t help but laugh reading it. I like it.
 
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While I think that is rather creative...I completely disagree with the ruling.
 
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So the issue is "trespass", the contacting of private property.

As the article says, the solution to that is a non-contact way to identify: photo.

Problem. Solution. Done.
 
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Except I dont see how drawing a chalk line is trespass. No offense but if she doesnt want the tickets park legally the chalk causes her no undue harm.
 
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Handyman said:
Except I dont see how drawing a chalk line is trespass. No offense but if she doesnt want the tickets park legally the chalk causes her no undue harm.
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If I drew a chalk line across the hood of your car, would you consider that trespass?

What about if I used soluble spray paint to temporarily white-out a window?

Also, your logic could easily be stretched to allow law enforcement to go pretty far (i.e. an officer walking into your home doesn't cause you undue harm, or an officer going through your bank records doesn't cause you undue harm). Of course we should all be complying with the law; however, the Fourth Amendment does provide some pretty significant protections that deserve to stretch pretty far. In this situation, the police have an easy, non-intrusive way to deal with this situation. If you want to chalk up a car, get a warrant.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It is a good one. I also agree with the ruling, and the alternate option for traffic enforcement: take a photo.
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And thus began all the major/rich cities in Michigan buying and/or installing cameras for parking and traffic enforcement.

The coasts have already done it, might as well make the Upper Midwest join the 21st century. Especially here in Detroit, where they can never hire enough cops, and are forced to fire the ones dumb enough to publish their racist views on social media.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
And thus began all the major/rich cities in Michigan buying and/or installing cameras for parking and traffic enforcement.

The coasts have already done it, might as well make the Upper Midwest join the 21st century. Especially here in Detroit, where they can never hire enough cops, and are forced to fire the ones dumb enough to publish their racist views on social media.
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NPR interviewed officials from Alpina. They bring in a fraction of the cost of one enforcement official via parking fines.

The camera system may cost less.
 
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The solution is an end of free parking. Put in parking meters. Parking enforcement walks around giving tickets to anyone parked in a a spot with no time on the meter, no chalking required. The parking meters plus fines bring in more money than enforcement costs.
 
BassAle said:
The solution is an end of free parking. Put in parking meters. Parking enforcement walks around giving tickets to anyone parked in a a spot with no time on the meter, no chalking required. The parking meters plus fines bring in more money than enforcement costs.
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Speed cameras bring in more, rain or shine.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
If I drew a chalk line across the hood of your car, would you consider that trespass?

What about if I used soluble spray paint to temporarily white-out a window?

Also, your logic could easily be stretched to allow law enforcement to go pretty far (i.e. an officer walking into your home doesn't cause you undue harm, or an officer going through your bank records doesn't cause you undue harm). Of course we should all be complying with the law; however, the Fourth Amendment does provide some pretty significant protections that deserve to stretch pretty far. In this situation, the police have an easy, non-intrusive way to deal with this situation. If you want to chalk up a car, get a warrant.
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Walking into my home /= putting a chalk line on a car parked in a public street. If you said the cops opened the door and went inside of the parked car you might have a point but otherwise your comparison sucks. Cops are allowed to walk up to your door and knock are they not? Chalking a wheel isnt violating someone's home.

As for your "painting the window" deal, if it cleans off I doubt I would even care. By your logic every teenager that did that in HS to someone should probably have been arrested or ticketed for criminal trespass. Seems like an overreaction. :rolleyes:

Sorry but again, the car is on a public street. There is no searching or seizing of the property, car or the owner. I just dont see this as a 4th Amendment issue.
 
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BassAle said:
The solution is an end of free parking. Put in parking meters. Parking enforcement walks around giving tickets to anyone parked in a a spot with no time on the meter, no chalking required. The parking meters plus fines bring in more money than enforcement costs.
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Oh I am sure that will go over well. ;)

I am all for the "taking a picture" plan...except in a few years someone who has like 50 tickets will complain saying that is illegal surveillance or something and find a way to argue they need a warrant for that too. Meanwhile those of us who park legally will just shake our head.
 
Handyman said:
Walking into my home /= putting a chalk line on a car parked in a public street. If you said the cops opened the door and went inside of the parked car you might have a point but otherwise your comparison sucks. Cops are allowed to walk up to your door and knock are they not? Chalking a wheel isnt violating someone's home.

As for your "painting the window" deal, if it cleans off I doubt I would even care. By your logic every teenager that did that in HS to someone should probably have been arrested or ticketed for criminal trespass. Seems like an overreaction. :rolleyes:

Sorry but again, the car is on a public street. There is no searching or seizing of the property, car or the owner. I just dont see this as a 4th Amendment issue.
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Your logic essentially equated to no "undue harm" no foul.

Im glad you're not on the Supreme Court.
 
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Handyman said:
Walking into my home /= putting a chalk line on a car parked in a public street. If you said the cops opened the door and went inside of the parked car you might have a point but otherwise your comparison sucks. Cops are allowed to walk up to your door and knock are they not? Chalking a wheel isnt violating someone's home.

As for your "painting the window" deal, if it cleans off I doubt I would even care. By your logic every teenager that did that in HS to someone should probably have been arrested or ticketed for criminal trespass. Seems like an overreaction. :rolleyes:

Sorry but again, the car is on a public street. There is no searching or seizing of the property, car or the owner. I just dont see this as a 4th Amendment issue.
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It’s no different from dropping a GPS tracker on a car. That’s an illegal search without a warrant.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It’s no different from dropping a GPS tracker on a car. That’s an illegal search without a warrant.
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I think it is quite different (GPS follows someone...this is a stationary car parked in a timed spot on a public street) but that is just a personal opinion.
 
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Handyman said:
Oh I am sure that will go over well. ;)

I am all for the "taking a picture" plan...except in a few years someone who has like 50 tickets will complain saying that is illegal surveillance or something and find a way to argue they need a warrant for that too. Meanwhile those of us who park legally will just shake our head.
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my town is switching to paid parking May-October. The locals are having a fit, even though anyone that registers their car in town can get a permit that lets them park on a residential side street for free, so if they don't want to pay for parking they might have to walk a block or two in our tiny town.
 
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