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Scotus 11: Will Thomas Ever Speak Again?

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Handyman said:
Whether the ladies are credible or not will have zero to do with whether he gets confirmed.
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Most of us are afraid of that, but are you saying both or all accusers should testify to protect each other and not because it will influence the outcome? Are you saying the political price GOpers will pay by confirming would be higher with more than one witness? Whose interest are you seeking to protect?
 
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Brett Kavanaugh’s college roommate says nominee was "capable" of sexual misconduct, was "aggressive" when drunk <a href="https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8">https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8</a> <a href="https://t.co/HUoyEPRVO2">pic.twitter.com/HUoyEPRVO2</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1044408390263459840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How much shyt does this guy need to get on him to affect people like Collins?
 
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burd said:
Most of us are afraid of that, but are you saying both or all accusers should testify to protect each other and not because it will influence the outcome? Are you saying the political price GOpers will pay by confirming would be higher with more than one witness? Whose interest are you seeking to protect?
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Theirs. They have the right to be heard in front of Congress before Congress confirms the predator.

The secondary benefit is that the Senators will pay for ignoring them.
 
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burd said:
How much shyt does this guy need to get on him to affect people like Collins?
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It will only matter if it will hurt her numbers. As of now she is still going to win. She needs to fear for her job.
 
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Brett Kavanaugh’s college roommate says nominee was "capable" of sexual misconduct, was "aggressive" when drunk <a href="https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8">https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8</a> <a href="https://t.co/HUoyEPRVO2">pic.twitter.com/HUoyEPRVO2</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1044408390263459840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Paid Soros crisis actor...
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A cop says “THIS UNARMED BLACK GUY WAS GONNA KILL ME” and the rest of us are supposed to believe that w/ out question. <br><br>A woman says “This guy raped me” and all of a sudden everybody becomes Law & Order: SVU demanding DNA samples, posting reenactments & maps .</p>— Elon James White (@elonjames) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonjames/status/1044298554410438657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A cop says “THIS UNARMED BLACK GUY WAS GONNA KILL ME” and the rest of us are supposed to believe that w/ out question. <br><br>A woman says “This guy raped me” and all of a sudden everybody becomes Law & Order: SVU demanding DNA samples, posting reenactments & maps .</p>— Elon James White (@elonjames) <a href="https://twitter.com/elonjames/status/1044298554410438657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I would say in both cases, innocent until proven guilty. Period. Let me hear all the facts. Then I'll decide.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I would say in both cases, innocent until proven guilty. Period. Let me hear all the facts. Then I'll decide.
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You will never hear all the facts, of course, unless you watch the trial. Juries don't hear ALL the facts either, but the rules of evidence are pretty good, on the whole.
We form opinions based on only a small part of the facts all the time.

Sounds preachy--didn't mean it to be. It's just what we do.
 
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burd said:
You will never hear all the facts, of course, unless you watch the trial. Juries don't hear ALL the facts either, but the rules of evidence are pretty good, on the whole.

We form opinions based on only a small part of the facts all the time.
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This is true. I'll amend: Let me hear all the facts I can, THEN form an opinion.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sen. Mitch McConnell: "Democrats have already made their mind and chosen their tactics - delay, obstruct, and resist." <a href="https://t.co/rIKtNeg7dT">https://t.co/rIKtNeg7dT</a> <a href="https://t.co/xdIejZDHai">pic.twitter.com/xdIejZDHai</a></p>— The Hill (@thehill) <a href="https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1044425004794802176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He said without a hint of irony...
 
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burd said:
Agreed, and I think we try, but navigating through all of our biases makes opinion shaping a tricky thing.
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It is. Right now, I'm thinking he's guilty as hell, but also don't understand the thinking "Well, look at how hard he partied! Must be guilty!" I partied that hard, and never came close to assaulting someone. I don't see how that is really relevant. I know many others in that same boat.
 
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SCOTUS nominees should not go on slanted cable news programs to defend themselves like politicians. Kavanaugh debased the office by doing it, and for that reason alone, he should be tossed.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
SCOTUS nominees should not go on slanted cable news programs to defend themselves like politicians. Kavanaugh debased the office by doing it, and for that reason alone, he should be tossed.
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Not having any sort of real cable, I don't know about this. The flipside is, did other stations reach out for him to say his piece, or is he picking and choosing? I do agree with you that they should sit back, and be judged on actions/past actions alone. Don't campaign, for a lack of a better word.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Not having any sort of real cable, I don't know about this. The flipside is, did other stations reach out for him to say his piece, or is he picking and choosing? I do agree with you that they should sit back, and be judged on actions/past actions alone. Don't campaign, for a lack of a better word.
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He specifically went on Fox because he knew that he could trust them to lob a pre-fabbed set of softballs.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
He specifically went on Fox because he knew that he could trust them to lob a pre-fabbed set of softballs.
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And they also would let him pick who talked to him...attractive blonde woman. Great optics. Most likely CNN would have a male doing it. And I guarantee every outlet reached out he chose Faux for a reason.

What bits and pieces I have heard dont make me believe him any more. It all sounds like the "Defense Attorney Playbook" opening chapter. He doesnt even use the arguments correctly so he is not only cliche but ignorant. The "virgin" argument only works if you are accused of having sex...Ford never said he raped her just that he assaulted her. Both statements can be true they are not mutually exclusive. Plus, no one believes you were a virgin anyways nor is anyone saying you SHOULD be a virgin. Its an excuse that isnt relevant.

The next play will be even better. It is the one Trump uses quite often where you say "I didnt do what they say I did but even if I did it isnt that big of a deal"! They have been laying the groundwork for that for weeks. That is why some Senators are talking about how this stuff is not a big deal and everyone does it.

To think, Douglas Ginsburg withdrew his name from consideration because he smoked weed.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Protesters chanted "We believe survivors!" as the Texas Republican and his wife left the restaurant. <a href="https://t.co/xut5TsrUvw">https://t.co/xut5TsrUvw</a></p>— HuffPost (@HuffPost) <a href="https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1044448050511581184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW: Brett Kavanaugh’s college roommate says nominee was "capable" of sexual misconduct, was "aggressive" when drunk <a href="https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8">https://t.co/tb5xS6N5D8</a> <a href="https://t.co/HUoyEPRVO2">pic.twitter.com/HUoyEPRVO2</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1044408390263459840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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like a virgin..... HEY.... touched for the very first time---
 
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