Science: Vaccines Work, GMOs Are Safe, Everything is a Chemical

[Tiggsy]

Re: Science: Vaccines Work, GMOs Are Safe, Everything is a Chemical

What exactly makes it better "for you"? Please provide scientific peer reviewed evidence and studies, not crazy B.S. anti-vax craziness.

I still don't get how giving my kids the vaccines makes me anti-vax.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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I brought that up a while back if I was just on a lucky streak. You're the first one to actually say that. It's one hell of a lucky streak that I'm working on I guess.

I wouldn't be so dramatic to say I'm throwing it away. Just not following conventions.

Is every medical case exactly the same? Don't bodies respond differently to the similar things? If I'm tempting fate, okay. But in my opinion the risks I'm opening up are less or equal to the risks originally faced so I don't see it that way. I see it as going the safe route. Obviously people don't agree, but my lucky streak has held out and I'm almost done so people can rest assured that I will not have any more kids so I won't be putting anyone else at risk in their eyes.

What's your basis for this opinion?

 

[Kepler]

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It's one hell of a lucky streak that I'm working on I guess.

Not really, no. It's very much like driving buzzed. Some people do that for fifty years and never cause a wreck, because the odds of any given instance are so low.

Not knowing the odds at all, I'd say you're probably taking a 1-in-10 million per day chance of something and reducing it to 1-in-1 million per day. You're playing the reverse lottery, but you're saying "well I must be doing something right because I haven't hit the lottery yet." That's not a rational way to view it. Risk is likelihood times impact. We're talking about an event with vanishingly small likelihood but catastrophic impact.

We each live on a country road where only one car passes per day. The mailbox is on the other side of the road. Each day we go to get our mail.

You do it blindfolded.

The fact that you haven't been hit yet does not mean what you're doing is right.

 

[Tiggsy]

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What's your basis for this opinion?

This was a long time ago before the Wakefield study was disproved. So that was a factor along with increased rates of autism in children with autistic siblings. Seemed like a no-brainer to me.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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This was a long time ago before the Wakefield study was disproved. So that was a factor along with increased rates of autism in children with autistic siblings. Seemed like a no-brainer to me.

But you still hold the same opinion now that there's no scientific evidence of a link?

 

[Tiggsy]

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But you still hold the same opinion now that there's no scientific evidence of a link?

I believe the increased rates are still peer reviewed studies. That was enough along with the perceived low risk of delaying. Plus no cause has yet been found.

It seemed to work, so I have no reason to doubt it. But everyone else seems to.

 

[GrinCDXX]

Re: Science: Vaccines Work, GMOs Are Safe, Everything is a Chemical

I believe the increased rates are still peer reviewed studies. That was enough along with the perceived low risk of delaying. Plus no cause has yet been found.

It seemed to work, so I have no reason to doubt it. But everyone else seems to.

What you're saying is, going with a modified vaccine schedule seemed to work to prevent your children from developing Autism?

 

[Tiggsy]

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What you're saying is, going with a modified vaccine schedule seemed to work to prevent your children from developing Autism?

Yes. Go ahead and take your one free shot at me now, just don't make it too personal please. I know you want to after I admit that.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Yes. Go ahead and take your one free shot at me now, just don't make it too personal please. I know you want to after I admit that.

I just fail to grasp how you can both recognize that there is no evidence of a link between Autism and vaccines, while at the same time believing that your modified vaccine schedule prevented your kids from developing Autism. It doesn't make sense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I just fail to grasp how you can both recognize that there is no evidence of a link between Autism and vaccines, while at the same time believing that your modified vaccine schedule prevented your kids from developing Autism. It doesn't make sense.

^^^^^^^

 

[Tiggsy]

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I just fail to grasp how you can both recognize that there is no evidence of a link between Autism and vaccines, while at the same time believing that your modified vaccine schedule prevented your kids from developing Autism. It doesn't make sense.

I'm very complicated...

I admit it's not the cause, but I did say that it may have been the trigger to allow the symptoms to show. Not exposing my kids to that trigger may not bring about the same severity of the symptoms of they are pre-disposed. Or may not bring them out at all. Who knows until someone finally discovers the actual cause. Plus because I didn't see the danger of the delayed schedule it was an easy decision to make because I didn't see any increased risk of doing it.

I get people don't understand, but that is how I processed it. Plus you can't keep emotion out of decisions surrounding your family, especially when you see no negatives in making a decision to deviate from the norm. I can't imagine what my family would have been like if I had to go through the whole process of a diagnosis again. So anything to prevent that was considered since I still say it didn't endanger them any more than normal. The rest of my kids are fine so far... relatively speaking, so I don't regret it at all and I can work on screwing up their lives in any normal parenting fashion like trying to give a middle school kid advice on girls.

 

[SJHovey]

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I'm very complicated...

I admit it's not the cause, but I did say that it may have been the trigger to allow the symptoms to show. Not exposing my kids to that trigger may not bring about the same severity of the symptoms of they are pre-disposed. Or may not bring them out at all. Who knows until someone finally discovers the actual cause. Plus because I didn't see the danger of the delayed schedule it was an easy decision to make because I didn't see any increased risk of doing it.

I get people don't understand, but that is how I processed it. Plus you can't keep emotion out of decisions surrounding your family, especially when you see no negatives in making a decision to deviate from the norm. I can't imagine what my family would have been like if I had to go through the whole process of a diagnosis again. So anything to prevent that was considered since I still say it didn't endanger them any more than normal. The rest of my kids are fine so far... relatively speaking, so I don't regret it at all and I can work on screwing up their lives in any normal parenting fashion like trying to give a middle school kid advice on girls.

In the abortion discussions around here I've expressed my pro-choice opinion, and I hold the same opinion on this subject. I might not make the same choice you did, but I respect your right to make it free from the condemnation of others like me.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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In the abortion discussions around here I've expressed my pro-choice opinion, and I hold the same opinion on this subject. I might not make the same choice you did, but I respect your right to make it free from the condemnation of others like me.

I on the other hand do not support this as a right. And this is why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

I believe in science. What Tiggsy has done is not science by any way, shape, or form. Is science always right? No. But, if we do the best we can with what we know we generally come out pretty good.

 

[Kepler]

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I will accept that people have a right not to vaccinate their kids. But if that makes them a public health hazard then we have the right to stick those kids on a desert island.

With wifi, of course.

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” -- Asimov

 

[ericredaxe]

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I on the other hand do not support this as a right. And this is why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

I believe in science. What Tiggsy has done is not science by any way, shape, or form. Is science always right? No. But, if we do the best we can with what we know we generally come out pretty good.

This.

Not to mention 5 and 6 year old's cannot make their own decisions regarding the subject. If a kid dies from measles due to parents making irresponsible vaccination or medical choices, are those choices really a reasonable right of the parent?

 

[Tiggsy]

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I on the other hand do not support this as a right. And this is why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

I believe in science. What Tiggsy has done is not science by any way, shape, or form. Is science always right? No. But, if we do the best we can with what we know we generally come out pretty good.

This is exactly what I've been doing the entire time, you just do not see it the same way I do.

I will accept that people have a right not to vaccinate their kids. But if that makes them a public health hazard then we have the right to stick those kids on a desert island.

With wifi, of course.

Are my kids a public health hazard? Unequivocally no. They all got their vaccinations. That should be the end of it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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This is exactly what I've been doing the entire time, you just do not see it the same way I do.



Are my kids a public health hazard? Unequivocally no. They all got their vaccinations. That should be the end of it.

No, you haven't. You haven't followed protocol. You haven't followed standards. From what I've read you found some sucker doctor who succumbed to patients who think they know more about science than the scientists and you came to a compromise that was more dangerous than just following the protocol in the first place. Stop pretending you did the right thing. You got lucky.

 

[Tiggsy]

Re: Science: Vaccines Work, GMOs Are Safe, Everything is a Chemical

No, you haven't. You haven't followed protocol. You haven't followed standards. From what I've read you found some sucker doctor who succumbed to patients who think they know more about science than the scientists and you came to a compromise that was more dangerous than just following the protocol in the first place. Stop pretending you did the right thing. You got lucky.

You still don't know all the details about what I did. How rigid is the schedule? No one ever answered that. If vaccinations are scheduled at 12 months old, do you have to get it exactly on that date? How much time do you have before you violate the protocol? Hours? Days? Weeks? I haven't researched it but I can't believe it's expected to be that rigid. I assume you have since you're so intent on it.

 

[Kepler]

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This is exactly what I've been doing the entire time, you just do not see it the same way I do.

No. He meant we do what we can with the science we know, not the notions we pull out of our butt.

Are my kids a public health hazard? Unequivocally no. They all got their vaccinations. That should be the end of it.

I have no idea whether your weird schedule actually made your kids a risk. It may have -- it may be that you f-cked up badly enough that getting the shots later was useless, or it may be you lucked out. As a non-scientist, non-specialist, I understand that I am not competent to judge.

But I'm sure your children are all strong, good looking, above average, and your Christmas Letter is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. I wasn't talking to or about you. AFAICT you did something extremely silly but seem to have somehow accidentally slipped into a benign outcome given all the woo.

 

[Tiggsy]

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I'm not sure how much more repetitive I can be on this and keep pointing out that I left out key details on my situation on purpose. Maybe what I did isn't as bad as you think. No one really knows. But seems like you still want to jump to conclusions that are wrong and offensive to me because I am not providing peer reviewed studies for my exact situation. Well, have at it then. Get it all out of your system. I'll sit back and watch for a bit and enjoy this apparent lucky streak I'm on.