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Save Uah Hockey!
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SCSU Euro
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Re: Save Uah Hockey!
They just spent 4 million dollars to make improvements I don't think they are going to fold. It would be a horrible waste of money.
They just spent 4 million dollars to make improvements I don't think they are going to fold. It would be a horrible waste of money.
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They haven't spent a penny. The money has simply been targeted/pledged for arena improvements. It's been done before at BG and before the improvements were started the funding was pulled. So, until the actual improvements are done this time I think folks should be skeptical.
But UAH's sake, I hope BG makes good on it this time...if BG survives UAH may have a chance...
They haven't spent a penny. The money has simply been targeted/pledged for arena improvements. It's been done before at BG and before the improvements were started the funding was pulled. So, until the actual improvements are done this time I think folks should be skeptical.
But UAH's sake, I hope BG makes good on it this time...if BG survives UAH may have a chance...
cooperalls
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I agree that the NCAA should bring back NCAA Div. II hockey. The question is if those lazy clowns want to sit down and actually hash out a way to change the current legislation and allow NCAA Div. III schools to become Div. II in one sport like they can at the Div. I level. I would imagine that Plattsburgh State, Norwich, Oswego and several other schools could potentially be teams that could move up if there were enough schools to fill the void. It would be easy if they could just move most of the ECAC East and West to Div. II and the NCHA like it was back in the eighties and include the Northeast 10 teams as well.
I feel bad for a program like UAH who has come from being a Club program in the South to being a respected NCAA Div. II and Div. 1 program. I would have to imagine that it will be even harder to recruit quality kids to the program now that they don't even have a home or at least an uncertain future. I hope it doesn't become another Wayne State and this is their last year so they end up showcasing their players to other teams for them to recruit.
I agree that the NCAA should bring back NCAA Div. II hockey. The question is if those lazy clowns want to sit down and actually hash out a way to change the current legislation and allow NCAA Div. III schools to become Div. II in one sport like they can at the Div. I level. I would imagine that Plattsburgh State, Norwich, Oswego and several other schools could potentially be teams that could move up if there were enough schools to fill the void. It would be easy if they could just move most of the ECAC East and West to Div. II and the NCHA like it was back in the eighties and include the Northeast 10 teams as well.
I feel bad for a program like UAH who has come from being a Club program in the South to being a respected NCAA Div. II and Div. 1 program. I would have to imagine that it will be even harder to recruit quality kids to the program now that they don't even have a home or at least an uncertain future. I hope it doesn't become another Wayne State and this is their last year so they end up showcasing their players to other teams for them to recruit.
Iwearpurple
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I wonder if the CCHA in their infinite wisdom and snobbishness have thought about what would happen to their league if the BTHC ever happens. (and I hope that it never does). Without the big 3, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, I think the league would fold faster than the a poker player holding 2-6.
On the other hand, the WCHA would do just fine with established programs such as North Dakota, Denver, Colorado College and a host of Minnesota Schools that actually support hockey.
One can only hope that they come to their senses and do the right thing for college hockey. Admit UAH.
I wonder if the CCHA in their infinite wisdom and snobbishness have thought about what would happen to their league if the BTHC ever happens. (and I hope that it never does). Without the big 3, Michigan, Michigan State and Ohio State, I think the league would fold faster than the a poker player holding 2-6.
On the other hand, the WCHA would do just fine with established programs such as North Dakota, Denver, Colorado College and a host of Minnesota Schools that actually support hockey.
One can only hope that they come to their senses and do the right thing for college hockey. Admit UAH.
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BSU was a good fit for the WCHA, UAH seems to be not a great fit for the CCHA. Everyone is bagging on the CCHA, and it's really not fair. Actually leave the WCHA out of it, where are the other leagues? Why isn't one of them stepping up, and taking on UAH? If it's not a good fit, it's not a good fit. Sorry.
Nice one what? I never said UW is leaving the WCHA, but I do know there have been discussions of it. Actually a number of discussions. Do they want to leave? Probably not. Would the WCHA want them to leave? Probably not. That still doesn't mean, as I stated earlier, they haven't looked at the change. I'm not making things up, it's a simple fact. I just thought it was interesting information that I recently received, call me names, imply that I use drugs, doesn't really matter to me, just throwing the info out there for discussion.
Most WCHA teams didn't want UNO, they wanted UAF. 8 out of the 11 teams voted that way. UNO tried to get out of paying a entrance fee, and the WCHA told them they would go after UAF even harder, so UNO backed down and paid. People don't realize how close UAF was to switching to the WCHA.
Doesn't much matter what most think,things will play out how things will play out, and there are going to be a number of changes down the road, you'll see.
I thought UAH would get in, and they may still. BSU was denied by the WCHA at first also. One of the big concerns in the CCHA right now is BGSU. I got good info that says they are still hurting really bad (even with the 4 mill). I hate to say it, but that program is holding on by a thread. I think the CCHA wants more info on what is is happening with BGSU, before they take on anyone else.
BSU was a good fit for the WCHA, UAH seems to be not a great fit for the CCHA. Everyone is bagging on the CCHA, and it's really not fair. Actually leave the WCHA out of it, where are the other leagues? Why isn't one of them stepping up, and taking on UAH? If it's not a good fit, it's not a good fit. Sorry.
Nice one what? I never said UW is leaving the WCHA, but I do know there have been discussions of it. Actually a number of discussions. Do they want to leave? Probably not. Would the WCHA want them to leave? Probably not. That still doesn't mean, as I stated earlier, they haven't looked at the change. I'm not making things up, it's a simple fact. I just thought it was interesting information that I recently received, call me names, imply that I use drugs, doesn't really matter to me, just throwing the info out there for discussion.
Most WCHA teams didn't want UNO, they wanted UAF. 8 out of the 11 teams voted that way. UNO tried to get out of paying a entrance fee, and the WCHA told them they would go after UAF even harder, so UNO backed down and paid. People don't realize how close UAF was to switching to the WCHA.
Doesn't much matter what most think,things will play out how things will play out, and there are going to be a number of changes down the road, you'll see.
I thought UAH would get in, and they may still. BSU was denied by the WCHA at first also. One of the big concerns in the CCHA right now is BGSU. I got good info that says they are still hurting really bad (even with the 4 mill). I hate to say it, but that program is holding on by a thread. I think the CCHA wants more info on what is is happening with BGSU, before they take on anyone else.
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SCSU Euro
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Uhhh.... because all of the other leagues have an EVEN number of teams, and yours is ODD?
Who is your source on this? Let me gues... Ed Werder!
I'm gonna borrow a (brilliant, I might add) chant that Wisconsin pulled out on my old goalie Bobby Goepfert: CITE YOUR SOURCES! (CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP)
I'm not saying it couldn't be true... but first off, your numbers don't add up. Bemidji didn't get a vote on who came with them. Second, I can GUARANTEE DU, CC and MSU-M wanted UNO over UAF. Other than Anchorage, who would want more trips to Alaska, since they're already getting the exemption from UAA, instead of a team developing nicely in a city that everyone can bus to, in a REALLY nice rink, in a relatively-otherwise untapped market ?
You're right, you didn't say BTHC. Ok, I'll bite.... where is UW going?
Uhhh.... because all of the other leagues have an EVEN number of teams, and yours is ODD?
Who is your source on this? Let me gues... Ed Werder!
I'm gonna borrow a (brilliant, I might add) chant that Wisconsin pulled out on my old goalie Bobby Goepfert: CITE YOUR SOURCES! (CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP, CLAP)
I'm not saying it couldn't be true... but first off, your numbers don't add up. Bemidji didn't get a vote on who came with them. Second, I can GUARANTEE DU, CC and MSU-M wanted UNO over UAF. Other than Anchorage, who would want more trips to Alaska, since they're already getting the exemption from UAA, instead of a team developing nicely in a city that everyone can bus to, in a REALLY nice rink, in a relatively-otherwise untapped market ?
You're right, you didn't say BTHC. Ok, I'll bite.... where is UW going?
Ralph Baer
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I thought this was from tDonald (Dunlop) before I sawyour name, rms. :-o
DU's bus rides have been all the way to Colorado Springs. Now they get to ride to Nebraska? What a prize
Seriously, the CCHA may be acting without thought for College hockay as a whole. I think the WCHA was perfectly happy with a 10 team league, but knew with the demise of the CHA they had to act on Bemidji. And selfishly ddecided to go after UNO( which then left room for UAH in the CCHA.). I just didn't see a ground swell for UAF to join xcept from tDonald and now rms.
But, why can't there be Division II Hockey? Cooperalls has some valid thoughts.
I thought this was from tDonald (Dunlop) before I sawyour name, rms. :-o
DU's bus rides have been all the way to Colorado Springs. Now they get to ride to Nebraska? What a prize
Seriously, the CCHA may be acting without thought for College hockay as a whole. I think the WCHA was perfectly happy with a 10 team league, but knew with the demise of the CHA they had to act on Bemidji. And selfishly ddecided to go after UNO( which then left room for UAH in the CCHA.). I just didn't see a ground swell for UAF to join xcept from tDonald and now rms.
But, why can't there be Division II Hockey? Cooperalls has some valid thoughts.
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To throw in some actual research/data about attendance and UAH.
I've been looking at attendance for games on opening weekend at Yost going back about 10 years. The season opener against UAH in 2006 was the second least attended game over that time period, with 5847 people. The only game that managed to do worse was the following night against UConn, which only drew 5210 people. However, that was in large part due to the fact that the football team had a nationally televised night game against Penn State the same time as the hockey game.
The only other years that come close are 1999 and 2000 (when honestly, Michigan was doing kind of meh). In 1999, UMass-Lowell drew 6100+ and 6000+. In 2000, Colgate and North Dakota each pulled in a little more than 6100. Merrimack pulled in 6400+ each night in 2002. Mercyhurst brought in 6500+ in 2003. Quinnipiac brought in 6700+ each night in 2005. St Lawrence brought in 6200+ last year, even with the economy down. I left out a couple years where Michigan had solid attendance.
I'm not trying to say that this justifies the CCHA's decision, but it seems like a lot of reactionaries are glossing over this type of information that (I at least hope) school administrators went over as part of their "due diligence". I don't think you can reasonably dismiss the option that this was mainly a financial decision on the part of a few smaller programs without compiling some serious data and having an intimate look at certain programs' financial information.
To throw in some actual research/data about attendance and UAH.
I've been looking at attendance for games on opening weekend at Yost going back about 10 years. The season opener against UAH in 2006 was the second least attended game over that time period, with 5847 people. The only game that managed to do worse was the following night against UConn, which only drew 5210 people. However, that was in large part due to the fact that the football team had a nationally televised night game against Penn State the same time as the hockey game.
The only other years that come close are 1999 and 2000 (when honestly, Michigan was doing kind of meh). In 1999, UMass-Lowell drew 6100+ and 6000+. In 2000, Colgate and North Dakota each pulled in a little more than 6100. Merrimack pulled in 6400+ each night in 2002. Mercyhurst brought in 6500+ in 2003. Quinnipiac brought in 6700+ each night in 2005. St Lawrence brought in 6200+ last year, even with the economy down. I left out a couple years where Michigan had solid attendance.
I'm not trying to say that this justifies the CCHA's decision, but it seems like a lot of reactionaries are glossing over this type of information that (I at least hope) school administrators went over as part of their "due diligence". I don't think you can reasonably dismiss the option that this was mainly a financial decision on the part of a few smaller programs without compiling some serious data and having an intimate look at certain programs' financial information.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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2) The WCHA wanted NMU, but NMU declined for financial reasons.
3) If the majority voted for UAF, UAF would be in instead of UNO...so, no we don't want your team in our conference. Sorry destroy all your hopes and dreams, I can be an *** like that sometimes.
4) Dr. Saigo finds the name Nanooks offensive to Eskimos.
1) There are only 10 teams in the WCHA...BSU is not in until 2010, so I doubt they'd get to vote on UNO.
2) The WCHA wanted NMU, but NMU declined for financial reasons.
3) If the majority voted for UAF, UAF would be in instead of UNO...so, no we don't want your team in our conference. Sorry destroy all your hopes and dreams, I can be an *** like that sometimes.
4) Dr. Saigo finds the name Nanooks offensive to Eskimos.
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Actually, "Nanook" means polar bear, not Inuit or Eskimo, as many believe. So far the polar bears haven't complained to UAF. I think they have bigger things to worry about.
Actually, "Nanook" means polar bear, not Inuit or Eskimo, as many believe. So far the polar bears haven't complained to UAF. I think they have bigger things to worry about.
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2.) If the WCHA wanted UAF before UNO why didn't they ask them first. This doesn't make sense to me.
3.) If BG is hanging by a thread why didn't the CCHA come out and say something. Oh, like some of our member schools might be dropping hockey and we will wait until then to decide if we want to admit Uah.
1.) The likelyhood of Wisconsin leaving is zero. They might talk about it but they don't have any where to go.
2.) If the WCHA wanted UAF before UNO why didn't they ask them first. This doesn't make sense to me.
3.) If BG is hanging by a thread why didn't the CCHA come out and say something. Oh, like some of our member schools might be dropping hockey and we will wait until then to decide if we want to admit Uah.
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I don't think you can really expect them to be more specific than they were without damaging members by publicly stating a lack of confidence in their ability to stay afloat. Perpetuating the idea that certain programs are on the ropes (in an official statement from the league, no less) makes it that much harder for them to recruit, garner support, and rebuild themselves.
I don't think you can really expect them to be more specific than they were without damaging members by publicly stating a lack of confidence in their ability to stay afloat. Perpetuating the idea that certain programs are on the ropes (in an official statement from the league, no less) makes it that much harder for them to recruit, garner support, and rebuild themselves.
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To be honest, I think it is a load of ****. It honestly doesn't make a difference. In the end the CCHA was out to prove a point that they weren't going dictated to by the WCHA. It's about sending a message. The reason they gave for not accepting UAH were weak at beat and a five year old could shoot holes in it.
To be honest, I think it is a load of ****. It honestly doesn't make a difference. In the end the CCHA was out to prove a point that they weren't going dictated to by the WCHA. It's about sending a message. The reason they gave for not accepting UAH were weak at beat and a five year old could shoot holes in it.
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Beer Pong Horn
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Division I hockey is why there can't be successful Division II hockey. If the NCAA wanted D-II to be successful, they'd have to either remove the grandfathering exemption for D-II schools playing up to D-I, or increase the fees until only the largest D-II schools would bother playing up. Either way, there's only 58 D-I teams and, what, six D-II teams? Not a large pool.
Division I hockey is why there can't be successful Division II hockey. If the NCAA wanted D-II to be successful, they'd have to either remove the grandfathering exemption for D-II schools playing up to D-I, or increase the fees until only the largest D-II schools would bother playing up. Either way, there's only 58 D-I teams and, what, six D-II teams? Not a large pool.
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That's just pure speculation on your part. Also, the five year olds shooting holes into the reasons for not accepting UAH include statements like "Michigan will sell out for anybody!" (see Dave Starman's article on the USCHO front page), which I pretty definitively showed is not the case. It's easy to sit back and make somewhat plausible, baseless claims about the CCHA's stated reasons and what effect you think adding UAH would have, and I personally don't think a lot of counter-arguments people have made are substantiated enough to sway school administrators.
Another example is with the "long bus trip" issue, which everybody seems to brush away pretty quickly. Just because schools have been traveling to UNO doesn't necessarily mean they'd want to continue making a similar trip, if given the option. Just because students aren't failing classes because of long weekend trips doesn't necessarily mean they haven't complained about the strain extra travel takes on them. Everybody seems content to ignore these possibilities, and just act like the CCHA ****ed on a picture-perfect match.
That's just pure speculation on your part. Also, the five year olds shooting holes into the reasons for not accepting UAH include statements like "Michigan will sell out for anybody!" (see Dave Starman's article on the USCHO front page), which I pretty definitively showed is not the case. It's easy to sit back and make somewhat plausible, baseless claims about the CCHA's stated reasons and what effect you think adding UAH would have, and I personally don't think a lot of counter-arguments people have made are substantiated enough to sway school administrators.
Another example is with the "long bus trip" issue, which everybody seems to brush away pretty quickly. Just because schools have been traveling to UNO doesn't necessarily mean they'd want to continue making a similar trip, if given the option. Just because students aren't failing classes because of long weekend trips doesn't necessarily mean they haven't complained about the strain extra travel takes on them. Everybody seems content to ignore these possibilities, and just act like the CCHA ****ed on a picture-perfect match.
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Speculation, this is a message board, almost 85% of the stuff written here is such, so your point is? The fact remains is that the CCHA exception for Michigan, Miami (recently), MSU (except last year), Norte Dame (recently) the CCHA is a league stuffed full of teams (that some might call cup cakes) that for no better words SUCK and the reason we have seen for UAH being denied are weak at best and come off as being snobby and pompous when frankly they honestly don’t have the right to be. Come on. What have the weak sisters of the CCHA done in the last 15 years? Last season UAH drew better in attendance than some of the current members of the CCHA with teams from the CHA. I am still smelling bull ****.
Michigan 19 6714 6,637 101.2
Michigan State 15 5473 6,470 84.6
Ohio State 20 4181 17,500 23.9
Northern Michigan 19 2932 3,754 78.1
Alaska 20 2708 4,324 62.6
Notre Dame 18 2703 2,667 101.3
UAH 10 2688 7,000 38.4
Miami 19 2491 3,200 77.8
Lake Superior 18 2257 3,373 66.9
Western Michigan 21 2112 3,667 57.6
Bowling Green 20 2044 5,000 40.9
Ferris State 18 1424 2,493 57.1
[from where I pulled it out of]
Speculation, this is a message board, almost 85% of the stuff written here is such, so your point is? The fact remains is that the CCHA exception for Michigan, Miami (recently), MSU (except last year), Norte Dame (recently) the CCHA is a league stuffed full of teams (that some might call cup cakes) that for no better words SUCK and the reason we have seen for UAH being denied are weak at best and come off as being snobby and pompous when frankly they honestly don’t have the right to be. Come on. What have the weak sisters of the CCHA done in the last 15 years? Last season UAH drew better in attendance than some of the current members of the CCHA with teams from the CHA. I am still smelling bull ****.
Michigan 19 6714 6,637 101.2
Michigan State 15 5473 6,470 84.6
Ohio State 20 4181 17,500 23.9
Northern Michigan 19 2932 3,754 78.1
Alaska 20 2708 4,324 62.6
Notre Dame 18 2703 2,667 101.3
UAH 10 2688 7,000 38.4
Miami 19 2491 3,200 77.8
Lake Superior 18 2257 3,373 66.9
Western Michigan 21 2112 3,667 57.6
Bowling Green 20 2044 5,000 40.9
Ferris State 18 1424 2,493 57.1
[from where I pulled it out of]
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