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Save Uah Hockey!

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If Penn St added a team there'd be a third option that would benefit everyone. Form a new conference! Have the new conference consist of Bowling Green, Ohio St, Penn St, Niagara, Robert Morris, and UAH. The new conference would be competitive and have small travel costs with the occasional trip down to Huntsville. The remaining Michigan schools will get more games against Mich, Mich St, and Notre Dame and reduced travel budget. It also opens up expansion possibilities to schools such as Kentucky, Syracuse, and Northwestern. Everybody wins.
 
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If Penn St added a team there'd be a third option that would benefit everyone. Form a new conference! Have the new conference consist of Bowling Green, Ohio St, Penn St, Niagara, Robert Morris, and UAH. The new conference would be competitive and have small travel costs with the occasional trip down to Huntsville. The remaining Michigan schools will get more games against Mich, Mich St, and Notre Dame and reduced travel budget. It also opens up expansion possibilities to schools such as Kentucky, Syracuse, and Northwestern. Everybody wins.

Include Miami in that list.
 
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Was that where two schools (Canisius? and RIT?) were going to leave AHA and play in the CHA, but wanted to be guaranteed let back into AHA if the CHA folded, and the AHA said no?

Or am I thinking of something else?

From what I was privy to, it was going to be Canisius and Mercyhurst. They were going to "join" the CHA and those six teams would be in a full scholarship league still called College Hockey America. The AHA would be the other eight schools and still be a "cost containment" league. The AHA wanted $$$ for the teams and they we also not going to guarantee a spot back in the league for teams if the CHA folded. Also in the mix was a proposal that both leagues would be operated under the AHA offices and management.
 
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If Penn St added a team there'd be a third option that would benefit everyone. Form a new conference! Have the new conference consist of Bowling Green, Ohio St, Penn St, Niagara, Robert Morris, and UAH. The new conference would be competitive and have small travel costs with the occasional trip down to Huntsville. The remaining Michigan schools will get more games against Mich, Mich St, and Notre Dame and reduced travel budget. It also opens up expansion possibilities to schools such as Kentucky, Syracuse, and Northwestern. Everybody wins.

That's pretty much the key. Not necessarily State, but for there to be a truly seismic shift in college hockey, it's going to take a BCS school to start a program.

Robert Morris, RIT, UAH, none of us are simply big enough to move the current conference mountains.

Syracuse, Penn State, Southern Cal, Colorado, Texas... any major conference school that would start-up would effectively break-up the Pangea of five conferences we have next season. Simply because of the fact that so many programs would love to get said school on the marquee on a regular basis.
 
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I am saying they shouldn't be looking down their noses at UAH.

That's an opinion. Neither of us are informed enough to know what the impacts really are. Aside from not adding a real impact team in terms of prominence and revenue, what would UAH add? Is that the responsibility of our league to take on another club that could add expense to the league for minimal return? As much as I would personally like to add them, goodwill doesn't pay the bills.
 
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That's pretty much the key. Not necessarily State, but for there to be a truly seismic shift in college hockey, it's going to take a BCS school to start a program.

Robert Morris, RIT, UAH, none of us are simply big enough to move the current conference mountains.

Syracuse, Penn State, Southern Cal, Colorado, Texas... any major conference school that would start-up would effectively break-up the Pangea of five conferences we have next season. Simply because of the fact that so many programs would love to get said school on the marquee on a regular basis.
The BCS schools will not step in until there is more revenue potential via TV, etc. than there is right now. And if that means getting rid of the "who are they?" schoools from D-1, then that may be the price that needs to be paid to expand the sport.
 
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The BCS schools will not step in until there is more revenue potential via TV, etc. than there is right now. And if that means getting rid of the "who are they?" schoools from D-1, then that may be the price that needs to be paid to expand the sport.

Say it ain't so, Joe! ;)
 
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That's pretty much the key. Not necessarily State, but for there to be a truly seismic shift in college hockey, it's going to take a BCS school to start a program.

Robert Morris, RIT, UAH, none of us are simply big enough to move the current conference mountains.

Syracuse, Penn State, Southern Cal, Colorado, Texas... any major conference school that would start-up would effectively break-up the Pangea of five conferences we have next season. Simply because of the fact that so many programs would love to get said school on the marquee on a regular basis.

Er, you'll need a BCS program to start TWO programs- Title IX and all that. Which is why so many don't in the first place. BTW, just to jump through your list real quick:

Syracuse- the closest to a men's program simply because they have a women's program. But they don't have a rink big enough for a men's team, and honestly, would probably easily slot into Hockey East, where the women's team is.

Penn State- nowhere even close at this point. Would need to spend money both to either build a new rink or put ice in over the basketball court, plus would need to start two new programs.

USC- just to come up with unique problems for every team, I'll just point out that the closest teams to USC would be Colorado College, Denver, Air Force, UAA, and UAF. Yeah, that's incentive for USC to turn it's club team (with a rink over an hour away) into a Division I program with a rink near campus.

Colorado- okay, the other caveat here is that even if a BCS team did start a men's and women's program, it actually has to be a GOOD BCS team. Colorado, Rutgers, Washington, Washington State, among others, would not get a conference to form around it.

Texas- even if a Texas Longhorns club hockey player went out tomorrow and hit both Mega Millions and Powerball within the week, there's no guarantee Texas would actually form a hockey team.


Oh, and add to all of this that you're asking for teams to build an ice rink (or rent one) plus create two new athletic teams, complete with scholarships, during a national recession. Uh huh. Plus there's no guarantee that this helps. Like you said, teams would jump at the chance to take these teams. So in the bizarro world where USC does get a hockey team, do you think they are going to start their own conference with the Colorado and Alaskan schools, or do you think the CCHA is going to throw oodles of money at them hoping for the prospect of USC-Notre Dame, USC-OSU, USC-Michigan games. That would completely shut the door on Alabama-Huntsville and the CCHA.

Moving on, look, I want to see Alabama-Huntsville saved. It tickles me that they took Notre Dame to all those overtimes, I love that there is a team in Alabama, etc. etc.

But it doesn't do anyone any good to focus on pipe dreams. If you want to save UAH, politely make noise, attend games, buy shirts, send petitions, and if you are too far away to do that, encourage your team's AD to book a non-conference series with UAH for next year. Hopefully UAH fans come out to support the team this year, boosting attendance, and when UAH goes on the road, fans who want to see them saved go out to show they give good road attendance numbers. That's what will save UAH hockey, not waiting for a big name school to add Division I hockey out of thin air.

As for me, I do honestly hope that rather than meeting in a tournament game like last year, that Harvard takes a trip down to Huntsville to show our support. I would be honored to call a game down there, especially if it could help. Good luck to the Chargers, and I'll be rooting for you guys to make a Cinderella run that opens up the CCHA's eyes. And hopefully on the run, you beat Michigan or some other big name CCHA school (but I really hate Michigan:D ).
 
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That's an opinion. Neither of us are informed enough to know what the impacts really are. Aside from not adding a real impact team in terms of prominence and revenue, what would UAH add? Is that the responsibility of our league to take on another club that could add expense to the league for minimal return? As much as I would personally like to add them, goodwill doesn't pay the bills.

Southern women, by God.

GFM
 
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The BCS schools will not step in until there is more revenue potential via TV, etc. than there is right now. And if that means getting rid of the "who are they?" schoools from D-1, then that may be the price that needs to be paid to expand the sport.

That may increase with more conferences getting TV stations and seeing hockey as a good program to have on their networks. Also expect a major shakeup in Big East with Football schools leaving in next few years. Who knows this could somehow shake up the athletic departments enough to get some programs started.
 
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Syracuse- the closest to a men's program simply because they have a women's program. But they don't have a rink big enough for a men's team, and honestly, would probably easily slot into Hockey East, where the women's team is.

If the Orange men go where the women are, then we have a two-team College Hockey America. :D

Speaking of which, and I know this belongs on the women's threads, I wonder if the talks of tOSU and QU jumping to wCHA* might resurface.

* Little w = women's.
 
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Er, you'll need a BCS program to start TWO programs- Title IX and all that. Which is why so many don't in the first place. BTW, just to jump through your list real quick...


...Oh, and add to all of this that you're asking for teams to build an ice rink (or rent one) plus create two new athletic teams, complete with scholarships, during a national recession. Uh huh. Plus there's no guarantee that this helps. Like you said, teams would jump at the chance to take these teams. So in the bizarro world where USC does get a hockey team, do you think they are going to start their own conference with the Colorado and Alaskan schools, or do you think the CCHA is going to throw oodles of money at them hoping for the prospect of USC-Notre Dame, USC-OSU, USC-Michigan games. That would completely shut the door on Alabama-Huntsville and the CCHA.

Moving on, look, I want to see Alabama-Huntsville saved. It tickles me that they took Notre Dame to all those overtimes, I love that there is a team in Alabama, etc. etc.

But it doesn't do anyone any good to focus on pipe dreams. If you want to save UAH, politely make noise, attend games, buy shirts, send petitions, and if you are too far away to do that, encourage your team's AD to book a non-conference series with UAH for next year. Hopefully UAH fans come out to support the team this year, boosting attendance, and when UAH goes on the road, fans who want to see them saved go out to show they give good road attendance numbers. That's what will save UAH hockey, not waiting for a big name school to add Division I hockey out of thin air.

As for me, I do honestly hope that rather than meeting in a tournament game like last year, that Harvard takes a trip down to Huntsville to show our support. I would be honored to call a game down there, especially if it could help. Good luck to the Chargers, and I'll be rooting for you guys to make a Cinderella run that opens up the CCHA's eyes. And hopefully on the run, you beat Michigan or some other big name CCHA school (but I really hate Michigan:D ).

Did you really think that list was 100% serious? Syracuse and Penn State were the only two 'legit' schools I named. Colorado was a proximity thing, USC and Texas were a namedrop.

I went to Penn State. There have been blueprints on the table for a six thousand seat rink since I was there 10 years ago. The rumors will always be constant.

The team I root/work for now is UAH's CHA brother, Robert Morris. Not much I can do to influence administration to get them on the schedule. ;)
 
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Did you really think that list was 100% serious? Syracuse and Penn State were the only two 'legit' schools I named. Colorado was a proximity thing, USC and Texas were a namedrop.

I went to Penn State. There have been blueprints on the table for a six thousand seat rink since I was there 10 years ago. The rumors will always be constant.

The team I root/work for now is UAH's CHA brother, Robert Morris. Not much I can do to influence administration to get them on the schedule. ;)

Hmm so the best thing to happen then would be for Penn St to go undefeated in football this year and win the Big 10. Then have a big win in national title game. Then use all the money that it will generate in winning the BCS and alumni donations to pay for new rink and team.
 
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If the Orange men go where the women are, then we have a two-team College Hockey America. :D

Speaking of which, and I know this belongs on the women's threads, I wonder if the talks of tOSU and QU jumping to wCHA* might resurface.

* Little w = women's.

Gah, that's what I get for spouting my mouth off on women's hockey without looking. Honestly though, is there a team that would make any more sense in Hockey East than Syracuse (yes, theoretically both programs, but I'm talking about the one that exists)? Must be why I swore they were in Hockey East already. Hate when I do that. Followed the usual laws of the internet though, correcting someone I made a dumb mistake.


And spydey, I quoted from your post 1) because I've discovered on USCHO, you never can know when someone is being serious about these things, and 2) there's like 3 pages of discussion about Penn St or other various programs coming in and somehow saving UAH, so your post, being the latest example of that, was the easiest to refute.

And of course the rumors will always be constant when it comes to hockey programs.
Let's see, by my running count:
Penn State has had a plan to build an ice rink since forever
Saint Louis was going to use their new basketball arena as a rink (but the president of the university shot that idea down)
Maryland was going to use their basketball arena as a rink (but the basketball coach shot that idea down)
Iowa, Kentucky, USC, Georgia Tech and Texas all have successful club teams that their administrators are considering making the jump to Division I.
Navy used the money from the Devils late owner to build a rink that isn't inside of an old mess hall (trust me, I played there, the original plan was a disaster) so that they could join Army and Air Force at the Division I level.
Syracuse is finally going to get off the pot and get a men's team.
Canadian colleges are going to join the NCAA and save Division I hockey.

But the point remains... even if all of these were actually true and these programs all had hockey teams, that alone wouldn't save UAH. And at this point, the only thing that will save UAH is for the CCHA to admit them or, less of a chance here, convince the AH, HE, or ECAC to pick up Alabama-Huntsville. So as a much as I'd like to imagine a hockey conference that is a cross between the SEC and ACC, the best thing to do is what GFM said, and contact the CCHA athletic directors. Or, your own school's athletic directors. I'm sure Robert Morris could give some tips on how to manage the drive to Huntsville or Bemidji can point out the good draws when UAH comes to visit and the added WCHA/CCHA rivalry it would bring about.
 
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Can't argue with any of that.

I'm sure if you Google enough football (or even basketball) schools, "+ hockey" you'd get a slew of Club to D-I rumors and/or stories.

Geof is 100% right. We have to all do our letter-writting part. At least in the short-term.
 
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That's an opinion. Neither of us are informed enough to know what the impacts really are. Aside from not adding a real impact team in terms of prominence and revenue, what would UAH add? Is that the responsibility of our league to take on another club that could add expense to the league for minimal return? As much as I would personally like to add them, goodwill doesn't pay the bills.

Was it the WCHA's responsibility to add BSU? It has been said a 100 times the WCHA would have been better off staying at 10 teams if the only objective was to do what was best for each individual school. I know people like Wooten think the WCHA only did what was best for them, but that is plain false. I understand taking UNO from the CCHA was better than taking UAH, but why should the WCHA take both teams? I don't think if UNO and UAH switched it would cost the CCHA much money if any at all.

The bottom line is even if the CCHA didn't want to add them they should have put it on hold and at least did a scheduling Alliance with them. Doing it the way they did makes them look bad. The powers that be in the CCHA did a poor job of PR. I realize a scheduling alliance can still happen, but things should have been planned out better.
 
"Ther are a lot of Gopher fans that bring up the BTHC all the time."? Yes!! You going to stick your head in the sand tell me that you haven't seen this or heard this?

A Gophers fan could save a baby from a burning building and you'd whine that he didn't also put out the fire, so I question this accusation without even digging into it. But even after giving it serious though, no, I don't believe Gopher fans (as in there are more than one) seriously bring up the idea that the BTHC will happen.
 
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A Gophers fan could save a baby from a burning building and you'd whine that he didn't also put out the fire, so I question this accusation without even digging into it. But even after giving it serious though, no, I don't believe Gopher fans (as in there are more than one) seriously bring up the idea that the BTHC will happen.

That is the biggest load of bull **** and you know it. In fact that is a stupid comment I wouldn't slamb someone for saving a baby, what the hell does that have to do with the BTHC.

As a the father of a two years old that has to be one of the dumbest things you have said. It has nothing to do with hockey, nor this thread. Does it really matter If like your favorite team? While I don't like the Golden Gophers It's a game, it means it's for fun and I still look at the players as being human being. And yes there are fans of the Rodents and other Big Ten Schools that bring up the BTHC, they have since 1993 when first really got into college hockey. I have seen this quite a few times because I nothing but time to surf the net at work. Swing and a miss skippy.
 
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