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Sandusky/Penn State scandal
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Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
The onion gets it right.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/
The onion gets it right.
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/
DaveStPaul
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Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
Somebody's covered this here I'm sure, but the disappearance in 2005 of the DA who looked into this case looks funny.
Somebody's covered this here I'm sure, but the disappearance in 2005 of the DA who looked into this case looks funny.
bigblue_dl
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I just posted this in the other thread, in response to the rumor that children were being pimped to big donors:
If the rumors are true, we're not talking about a pedophile anymore...Seriously, this could seriously be construed as 2 criminal organizations, PSU and the Second Mile working a child prostitution ring. We're talking federal criminal organization laws here, on the same level as the mob. That is how serious this could get, and that could ruin not only the entire PSU athletic department, but leave the entire university in shambles. If it is found out that the athletic department was being funded in part by donations given through a child prostitution ring, it is not even a reach to think that the entire athletic department is shut down. Completely shut down.
edit: since the link wasn't posted in this thread: http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html
I just posted this in the other thread, in response to the rumor that children were being pimped to big donors:
If the rumors are true, we're not talking about a pedophile anymore...Seriously, this could seriously be construed as 2 criminal organizations, PSU and the Second Mile working a child prostitution ring. We're talking federal criminal organization laws here, on the same level as the mob. That is how serious this could get, and that could ruin not only the entire PSU athletic department, but leave the entire university in shambles. If it is found out that the athletic department was being funded in part by donations given through a child prostitution ring, it is not even a reach to think that the entire athletic department is shut down. Completely shut down.
edit: since the link wasn't posted in this thread: http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-s...ung-boys-to-rich-donors-says-mark-madden.html
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
Yes, it does look funny, but probably not in the way you're implying.
He had recently broken up a $1.5 MM heroin ring, and there are allegedly elements in common between his disappearance and the murder of a Maryland prosecutor who was also involved in prosecution of a heroin ring. (There are other elements that tend to work against this tie, though.)
On balance, I think it's a lot more likely that his disappearance is related to something else from his case history than to the 1998 investigation. You're talking a seven year gap in the one case, vs. as little as a couple of weeks in the heroin case (and the heroin case involves the kind of people who would think nothing of murder—we're not to that point with the child rape case, and hopefully we never will be).
Yes, it does look funny, but probably not in the way you're implying.
He had recently broken up a $1.5 MM heroin ring, and there are allegedly elements in common between his disappearance and the murder of a Maryland prosecutor who was also involved in prosecution of a heroin ring. (There are other elements that tend to work against this tie, though.)
On balance, I think it's a lot more likely that his disappearance is related to something else from his case history than to the 1998 investigation. You're talking a seven year gap in the one case, vs. as little as a couple of weeks in the heroin case (and the heroin case involves the kind of people who would think nothing of murder—we're not to that point with the child rape case, and hopefully we never will be).
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
So then isn't it hypocritical of the media to take down JoePa the way they have when they are essentially guilty of the same thing?
So then isn't it hypocritical of the media to take down JoePa the way they have when they are essentially guilty of the same thing?
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
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As to alfablue's point about company policies regarding crime at work. When violent crimes are involved, if Step 1 in the employee manual isn't "Call 911" then that policy needs to be revisited.
If it doesn't disgust you...you are not human.
As to alfablue's point about company policies regarding crime at work. When violent crimes are involved, if Step 1 in the employee manual isn't "Call 911" then that policy needs to be revisited.
ScoobyDoo
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Well, no. This is what the media does and has done for years. You very rarely see good investigative journalism anymore. Profit has replaced their responsibility to society.
Well, no. This is what the media does and has done for years. You very rarely see good investigative journalism anymore. Profit has replaced their responsibility to society.
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I don't see how being fired is being clobbered. Paterno isn't being charged with anything, but he did open him self up for being fired, which is what happened. The reason he's getting all of the attention is his time and efforts at Penn State. The AD and VP are going to get charged for multiple things, and probably will be fired even if they are not convicted, since they did worse for the school than Paterno did.
Sandusky is likely to spend the rest of his life behind bars. That's being clobbered.
When the AD and VP didn't do their jobs, Paterno had the ability, if not the moral resonsibility, or just an apperance of responsibilty, to contact the correct authorities, which he did not. Even after Sandusky getting access. Even after Sandusky brought a kid with him to a closed practice. Even after Sandusky ran his program on Penn State grounds. Multiple times to intervene, and prevent future problems and victims. Paterno's lack of effort helped open up a major issue for the University, which will probably last in courts for years. And take huge amounts of money from the athletic program, particularly football.
That's a fireable offense at my company. And, unless some really new ****ing info comes out, that's all that will happen to Paterno.
I don't see how being fired is being clobbered. Paterno isn't being charged with anything, but he did open him self up for being fired, which is what happened. The reason he's getting all of the attention is his time and efforts at Penn State. The AD and VP are going to get charged for multiple things, and probably will be fired even if they are not convicted, since they did worse for the school than Paterno did.
Sandusky is likely to spend the rest of his life behind bars. That's being clobbered.
When the AD and VP didn't do their jobs, Paterno had the ability, if not the moral resonsibility, or just an apperance of responsibilty, to contact the correct authorities, which he did not. Even after Sandusky getting access. Even after Sandusky brought a kid with him to a closed practice. Even after Sandusky ran his program on Penn State grounds. Multiple times to intervene, and prevent future problems and victims. Paterno's lack of effort helped open up a major issue for the University, which will probably last in courts for years. And take huge amounts of money from the athletic program, particularly football.
That's a fireable offense at my company. And, unless some really new ****ing info comes out, that's all that will happen to Paterno.
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As far as I can tell, it took a lot of outside media to raise the attention so far outside of Happy Valley. Had it stayed inside, nothing may have happened- that's what has happened up to now....
As far as I can tell, it took a lot of outside media to raise the attention so far outside of Happy Valley. Had it stayed inside, nothing may have happened- that's what has happened up to now....
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
things to keep in mind:
Second Mile was founded in 1977
Grand Jury reports actions back to 1994
First reported incident at Penn State was 1998
Eyewitness report in 2002
Harassing phone calls 2005
Is it possible other team members had seen or were aware of Sandusky's acts or is this a totally unrelated incident?
Paterno has long been described as a man with high moral values. Is it possible he could not even imagine a colleague of 30 years was capable of something this base? Paterno in a state of denial?
The light at the end of the tunnel could easily be a train.
It appears Sandusky's perverted predeliction was not a well kept secret.
things to keep in mind:
Second Mile was founded in 1977
Grand Jury reports actions back to 1994
First reported incident at Penn State was 1998
Eyewitness report in 2002
Harassing phone calls 2005
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05232/557150.stm#ixzz1dKmVmM8d
Is it possible other team members had seen or were aware of Sandusky's acts or is this a totally unrelated incident?
Paterno has long been described as a man with high moral values. Is it possible he could not even imagine a colleague of 30 years was capable of something this base? Paterno in a state of denial?
The light at the end of the tunnel could easily be a train.
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Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
The Penn State alumn who is a sports reporter mentioned a few things about rumors and whatnot in the radio interview. One was the annual alumni golf tournament, which used to be huge, is now a hollow shell of itself. Much of that is because of rumors about Sandusky, she thought.
Especially considering that the Coach had a reputation of knowing every detail of his players, down to them studying for specific classes- they honestly think that Paterno knows a whole lot more than what was in the Grand Jury report. that was a sad inverview to listen to.
The Penn State alumn who is a sports reporter mentioned a few things about rumors and whatnot in the radio interview. One was the annual alumni golf tournament, which used to be huge, is now a hollow shell of itself. Much of that is because of rumors about Sandusky, she thought.
Especially considering that the Coach had a reputation of knowing every detail of his players, down to them studying for specific classes- they honestly think that Paterno knows a whole lot more than what was in the Grand Jury report. that was a sad inverview to listen to.
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Priceless
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To bring this back to football for a moment: McQueary is the recruiting coordinator for the team. How exactly is he supposed to go into the home of a high school kid and sell them on the program? Parents will be horrified that he actually saw the rape and didn't report it. The kids are going to question his toughness. In the words of Matt Millen, we all have a "fight or flight instinct" when these situations arise. His instinct was flight...that's not a reaction football players or coaches are supposed to have. It's a reaction all of us hope we wouldn't have. I don't see how those players would have one iota of respect for him.
For many reasons, including this, McQueary has to go. I can't fathom why he hasn't been fired.
To bring this back to football for a moment: McQueary is the recruiting coordinator for the team. How exactly is he supposed to go into the home of a high school kid and sell them on the program? Parents will be horrified that he actually saw the rape and didn't report it. The kids are going to question his toughness. In the words of Matt Millen, we all have a "fight or flight instinct" when these situations arise. His instinct was flight...that's not a reaction football players or coaches are supposed to have. It's a reaction all of us hope we wouldn't have. I don't see how those players would have one iota of respect for him.
For many reasons, including this, McQueary has to go. I can't fathom why he hasn't been fired.
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I'm not going to debate what it means to get clobbered with you. Is pilloried a better word?
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Priceless
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"It's that thing. You know. That you use...to punish criminals. That thing...in the days of yore. They had them in the town square...you know..."
I'm not going to debate what it means to get clobbered with you. Is pilloried a better word?
"It's that thing. You know. That you use...to punish criminals. That thing...in the days of yore. They had them in the town square...you know..."
Kepler
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That's perfect. It should be carved into the walls at ESPN, but I'm sure they still wouldn't understand it.
huskyfan
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Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
fight or flight? absolutely. he needed either to pull Sandusky off the kid or flee to the nearest phone to call police. perferable both. announcing now that McQueary won't be on the field Saturday. I bet he's gone by Saturday.
Paterno says he won't show up for the game this Saturday.
if one more person talks (Bradley I'm looking at you) how great a man Paterno is ... well ... I'll virtual vomit on my computer. sickening. the best thing I can think of to say about him is that he was **** good at pulling wool over people's eyes. this is no great man.
fight or flight? absolutely. he needed either to pull Sandusky off the kid or flee to the nearest phone to call police. perferable both. announcing now that McQueary won't be on the field Saturday. I bet he's gone by Saturday.
Paterno says he won't show up for the game this Saturday.
if one more person talks (Bradley I'm looking at you) how great a man Paterno is ... well ... I'll virtual vomit on my computer. sickening. the best thing I can think of to say about him is that he was **** good at pulling wool over people's eyes. this is no great man.
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Paterno is the center of attention since he IS the center of Penn State. He's not going to be charged with anything, but he has lost his job.
How is that so much worse than the people being charged? Honestly- people have lost their jobs over lesser things- it's not as if he doesn't have the means to live the rest of his life out. Nobody is taking that away.
The guy's lack actions helped opened up his employer to a rash of liability, which is a fireable offense pretty much anywhere. That's not being overly prosecuted, it's JUST losing your job. That's it. No jail time, no loss of retirement funds, no home taken from you, no freedoms being restricted. It's all anyone can do, and the BoT was pretty much forced to do it, just based on the GJ report.
I still don't see how that's being singled out and taken down.
Especially compared to the vicitims, and how they were treated partially thanks to the lack of action.
Paterno is Penn State, and Penn State is Paterno, this is a scandal at Penn State, particularly athletic, particularly football. It's quite natural that he will be the center of 99% of the attention. He built the system so that he's the center, gotta be able to deal with it.
I'm not going to debate what it means to get clobbered with you. Is pilloried a better word?
Paterno is the center of attention since he IS the center of Penn State. He's not going to be charged with anything, but he has lost his job.
How is that so much worse than the people being charged? Honestly- people have lost their jobs over lesser things- it's not as if he doesn't have the means to live the rest of his life out. Nobody is taking that away.
The guy's lack actions helped opened up his employer to a rash of liability, which is a fireable offense pretty much anywhere. That's not being overly prosecuted, it's JUST losing your job. That's it. No jail time, no loss of retirement funds, no home taken from you, no freedoms being restricted. It's all anyone can do, and the BoT was pretty much forced to do it, just based on the GJ report.
I still don't see how that's being singled out and taken down.
Especially compared to the vicitims, and how they were treated partially thanks to the lack of action.
Paterno is Penn State, and Penn State is Paterno, this is a scandal at Penn State, particularly athletic, particularly football. It's quite natural that he will be the center of 99% of the attention. He built the system so that he's the center, gotta be able to deal with it.
MinnesotaNorthStar
Minding the gap
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
ESPN reporting the board of trustees has asked that McQueary not coach on the sideline on Saturday....
Why the egg shells? Does he have compromising pictures of them?
ESPN reporting the board of trustees has asked that McQueary not coach on the sideline on Saturday....
Why the egg shells? Does he have compromising pictures of them?
Re: Sandusky/Penn State scandal
I don't think I've ever been in this complete of agreement with Priceless . . . ever.
I don't think I've ever been in this complete of agreement with Priceless . . . ever.
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