Rule Changes?

[JohnsonsJerseys]

Re: Rule Changes?

If the NHL wants to make this change they can do it. They'll just tell the teams to install four ice-level HD cameras at the blue lines in every rink so they have a good view of every play and can accurately review the plays in question.

College rinks don't/won't have these camera views and the NCAA won't mandate this type of technology to be added. They can't even get the teams to have decent broadcast camera views in a lot of rinks.
Without these additional views, skates "in the plane" of the blue line, viewed from a pressbox level camera, shot on an angle will be far too subjective. I don't see the NCAA adding this change. If they do, they are opening up a whole new can of worms with nothing but problems.

 

[Split-N]

Re: Rule Changes?

...Without these additional views, skates "in the plane" of the blue line, viewed from a pressbox level camera, shot on an angle will be far too subjective. I don't see the NCAA adding this change. If they do, they are opening up a whole new can of worms with nothing but problems.

This!! If you think video reviews take too long now, just wait and see how long it takes to determine if a heel tip was or was not "in the plane."

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Rule Changes?

This!! If you think video reviews take too long now, just wait and see how long it takes to determine if a heel tip was or was not "in the plane."

Why would review requirements be any different than how they do it now? The angles they have now to prove/disprove the skate is on the ice and touching the line would just as easily show if the skate is in the plane. ffs this isn't a difficult concept to visualize.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

Re: Rule Changes?

Why would review requirements be any different than how they do it now? The angles they have now to prove/disprove the skate is on the ice and touching the line would just as easily show if the skate is in the plane. ffs this isn't a difficult concept to visualize.

Agreed. I talked to an off-ice replay operator about this. It actually should be easier to see if a skate is located above the blue line than if it is touching it.

 

[CKrouth]

Re: Rule Changes?

Agreed. I talked to an off-ice replay operator about this. It actually should be easier to see if a skate is located above the blue line than if it is touching it.

If you are the off-ice replay operator and you only have a couple camera angles (no blue-line cams), it can be impossible to tell if a play is offsides in either situation (touching or the 'plane') depending on where the players are on the ice.

They really either need a replay system with blueline cameras or change the rules to just not allow offsides as a reviewable play. These are the reviews that seem to take forever.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

Re: Rule Changes?

I talked to an off-ice replay operator about this. It actually should be easier to see if a skate is located above the blue line than if it is touching it.

Well now we know why reply takes so long if this person is handling replays. That is one of the least factual statements I've heard in a while. You're taking reply from 2D to 3D and using off-angle camera shots to make these judgments. Adding another dimension to the equation is in NO way, easier.

Once again, keep in mind we're not talking about the NHL, they will get shots right down the line, and likely in HD. We're talking about college hockey rinks with their two, maybe three high camera angles, some not even HD. So you're going to try to call offside in three dimensions using a 12" monitor in the penalty box with an image that looks like the one below. Is this puck in the air in front of, above, or behind the line? Good luck...

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[Ed Trefzger]

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Well now we know why reply takes so long if this person is handling replays. That is one of the least factual statements I've heard in a while. You're taking reply from 2D to 3D and using off-angle camera shots to make these judgments. Adding another dimension to the equation is in NO way, easier.

You're not adding a dimension. If anything, you're removing one since you don't have to try to see if there's contact on the horizontal plane, just whether the vertical plane has been crossed.

And I guess I'm just used to arenas with blue line cameras. I assumed that since the lowest league in D-I required them (and overhead cameras on the goals) that every league did.

 

[joecct]

Re: Rule Changes?

1. All minor and major penalties go on the clock. No more offsetting.

2. All penalties must be served in their entirety. No more terminations as a result of a PPG.

 

[MTUHuskies]

Re: Rule Changes?

I don't understand why they think a change is necessary. Having contact with neutral zone ice has been the rule for a long time with no problems. Is it really hindering the game to requie a guy keeps one foot on the ice?

They say it is for more offence. But is that really going to make a difference? They said it has happened 14 times already this season in the NHL. That's about once every 75 NHL games so far. It is not a major factor in the game. Leave it alone.

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[manurespreader]

Re: Rule Changes?

There may be blue line cameras at all rinks, but I can guarantee that many of them are not in plane. I don't believe that if the rule was changed, the call would be any easier or that it would take less time, given the aforementioned.

 

[CKrouth]

There may be blue line cameras at all rinks, but I can guarantee that many of them are not in plane. I don't believe that if the rule was changed, the call would be any easier or that it would take less time, given the aforementioned.

The NCAA does not mandate blue line cameras and most rinks do not have them.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

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Agreed. I talked to an off-ice replay operator about this. It actually should be easier to see if a skate is located above the blue line than if it is touching it.

I recently worked as the broadcast director for a D1 college hockey team in a conference that doesn't have off-ice replay officials. I agree 100% that it makes this review easier. You're removing a requirement. Previously, you'd have to first see if the play was onside, then see if the person's toe was touching the line. You remove that latter portion and it's just seeing if it's onside. In the handful of years where checking of offsides was a requirement, I never had one where it was that close that it mattered.

More often than not, before the refs had a chance to put on the headset and talk to me, I'd have seen the replay 3-4 times on a higher quality monitor than they had. They knew that and I gave them an honest assessment of the play regardless of which team it was against. If they wanted to check a potential goal for the home team (my employer), if it didn't go in I'd tell them that as soon as they put on the headset. They'd glance once but there's no reason for these extended reviews.

 

[MTUHuskies]

Re: Rule Changes?

If it's that hard to tell in a video review whether or not the skate was on the ice, it is inconclusive and the play stands as called on the ice. Why create a "solution" to a problem that does not exist?

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[Slap Shot]

Re: Rule Changes?

If it's that hard to tell in a video review whether or not the skate was on the ice, it is inconclusive and the play stands as called on the ice. Why create a "solution" to a problem that does not exist?

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I think it's less about making it easier to review and more about making it easier to let play continue on the ice.

I really don't understand the amount of angst being exhibited over this proposal.

 

[cF[Authentic]]

Re: Rule Changes?

I think it's less about making it easier to review and more about making it easier to let play continue on the ice.

I really don't understand the amount of angst being exhibited over this proposal.

If I'm a linesman and a team is trying to enter the zone while a teammate is racing back to get onside. If the player slides feet first, it's easier for me to see that his skates are over the blue as the puck crosses than to make even more of a judgement call to determine if even part of his blade is touching the ice.

 

[manurespreader]

Re: Rule Changes?

If I'm a linesman and a team is trying to enter the zone while a teammate is racing back to get onside. If the player slides feet first, it's easier for me to see that his skates are over the blue as the puck crosses than to make even more of a judgement call to determine if even part of his blade is touching the ice.

I would agree with that. Honestly, my biggest issue is the way the pairwise is calculated, but there are some rule tweaks I'd also like to see. Such as clarification on diving/embellishment.

 

[Diversity Fighter]

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Abolish video review. Absolutely crushes, emotion, excitement, momentum, and atmosphere. Checks things 1,2,3 but ignores 18,000 other things.

 

[Slap Shot]

If I'm a linesman and a team is trying to enter the zone while a teammate is racing back to get onside. If the player slides feet first, it's easier for me to see that his skates are over the blue as the puck crosses than to make even more of a judgement call to determine if even part of his blade is touching the ice.

Precisely.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

Re: Rule Changes?

If I'm a linesman and a team is trying to enter the zone while a teammate is racing back to get onside. If the player slides feet first, it's easier for me to see that his skates are over the blue as the puck crosses than to make even more of a judgement call to determine if even part of his blade is touching the ice.

Yes, because sliding across the blue line to tag up happens, wait, ahh, NEVER in hockey.

Honestly I think the problem is that people watch NHL hockey on TV all the time with their dozen camera angles in HD. Try watching some college hockey broadcasts. No, not the ones when a local network is covering the game, the ones produced by students shooting with the school's cameras. Do this for a couple weeks and you'll come around to my point of view real quick on this issue. I promise.

My question from above still stands: With 100% certainty, where is the puck in the image below located relative to the goal line? This is the type of camera angle you are going to get in most college rinks trying to to determine if the skate is floating somewhere at an unknown height, in the plane of a line that you are viewing on an angle, from a different elevation. There is a reason the NCAA requires overhead goal cameras to be almost directly in the plane of the goal line. Because if you are viewing from an angle, it changes your perspective and makes it almost impossible to state with certainty what you are seeing. Oh and don't forget in college, the blue line will be covered with snow because they don't scrape the whole ice every 5 minutes of game play like in the pro games.

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