RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

[ADK11]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Fortunately for Union, they've locked up a top-3 finish, so their game at Starr Rink won't have any major playoff implications, especially since their fans view Colgate's home ice as some sort of "mausoleum" or "temple of doom" or "palace of death" ...

If Union wins or ties at Lynah on Friday, would have plenty to play for on Saturday.. i.e. a top 2 finish. And, yes, having to win at Starr would definitely have me nervous..

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

If Union wins or ties at Lynah on Friday, would have plenty to play for on Saturday.. i.e. a top 2 finish. And, yes, having to win at Starr would definitely have me nervous..

A Union win on Friday leaves them with nearly nothing to play for on Saturday. Cornell would be 2 points back and loses the tiebreaker. And, they would likely still be behind Yale, losing the tiebreaker to the Bulldogs.

Any result at Lynah other than a tie renders Saturday's games pretty much meaningless.

 

[ADK11]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

A Union win on Friday leaves them with nearly nothing to play for on Saturday. Cornell would be 2 points back and loses the tiebreaker. And, they would likely still be behind Yale, losing the tiebreaker to the Bulldogs.

Any result at Lynah other than a tie renders Saturday's games pretty much meaningless.

Right.. Princeton beating Yale will never happen.. everyone knows the Tigers are an easy W

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Right.. Princeton beating Yale will never happen.. everyone knows the Tigers are an easy W

Yale is on a 6-0 tear, is 5-0 in their 5 most recent games against teams from the bottom-half of the conference, and has the offensive firepower to beat anyone in the league twice over (except for RPI, apparently). I'm not saying that it's a guaranteed win. But, we're not talking about the hot-and-cold Engineers here. I also expect Yale to try and clinch the 1 seed on Friday so that they can coast on Saturday.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

The last weekend of the ECAC season.

Will Allen York be back in RPI's net?

IMO yes he will, barring any re-tweaking during practice this week. I base this not any inside info, just that he dressed and warmed up in both weekend games.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

I know. But I still think they'll win both games this weekend.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Marsh and his teams - when they're not playing RPI. If the Larries had shown any semblence of consistency in the last two months, I might give a sweep some thought. I'm not buying.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Marsh and his teams - when they're not playing RPI. If the Larries had shown any semblence of consistency in the last two months, I might give a sweep some thought. I'm not buying.

I'm in agreement with this. I think this (from the perspective of the entire season) speaks true of several teams in the ECAC. One month they're hot, and the next month they're sea-wrap. SLU, Quinnipiac, Union, even Dartmouth and Brown could be argued on this behalf. That's why there's huge clusters of teams fighting for spots.

 

[aweise]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Yale is on a 6-0 tear, is 5-0 in their 5 most recent games against teams from the bottom-half of the conference, and has the offensive firepower to beat anyone in the league twice over (except for RPI, apparently). I'm not saying that it's a guaranteed win. But, we're not talking about the hot-and-cold Engineers here. I also expect Yale to try and clinch the 1 seed on Friday so that they can coast on Saturday.

I've said this about a million times, but this is the ECAC. I've been watching this league for over 20 years and if there's one thing I've learned, it's to never assume that a favorite will win...regular season or playoffs.

That said, I'd still put money on Yale to win, but I'm hoping they don't.

 

[rvd5star69]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

kill schafer kill as the chant goes

 

[TchrBill]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

A Yale win vs. Princeton isn't a given...unheralded Colgate topped Yale at the Whale in OT last year on the final RS game of the season

'Gate's pk and pp aren't potent and the goaltending is inconsistent. Home ice advantage at Starr...guess we'll see. Our record at home is solid and our offense is better than most. Like RPI, we've got some good scorers and even our 4th line is making some noise. I hope the Raiders maintain composure and stay out of the box because it could be a one-goal game.

 

[UnionHockeyManiac]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

I am going to go out on a limb here and say Friday's game at Lynah is the biggest game of the season for Union. If we win, we can't finish lower than 2nd AND we help our PWR in a big way. If we lose, we finish in 3rd and pretty much kiss our shot at an at-large bid goodbye.

This week, more than ever, I am REALLY hoping for a CDS!

 

[OsecnUC]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

No question that Friday pretty much is THE season for this team. Success will mean much for the 2nd season, and dare I say the 3rd season? As UHM has said, without a win Friday the only way U would see the 3rd season would be to make it to Albany and win out. One game means much to these guys...and the loyal as well.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

If we lose, we finish in 3rd and pretty much kiss our shot at an at-large bid goodbye.

Not quite. I think you're overthinking the impact of single games on the PWR.

 

[yaledoc]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Yale is on a 6-0 tear, is 5-0 in their 5 most recent games against teams from the bottom-half of the conference, and has the offensive firepower to beat anyone in the league twice over (except for RPI, apparently). I'm not saying that it's a guaranteed win. But, we're not talking about the hot-and-cold Engineers here. I also expect Yale to try and clinch the 1 seed on Friday so that they can coast on Saturday.

Burgie 12

Please read my little op ed in the Yale Hockey 2010
thread. Thanks,
'Doc

 

[burgie12]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Burgie 12

Please read my little op ed in the Yale Hockey 2010
thread. Thanks,
'Doc

Not to sidetrack this thread, because this series is going to be epic and will have enormous implications for the final seeding, but...

"Coasting" was probably too strong a word. For whatever reason, I didn't realize that Yale and Quinnipiac were playing on Saturday. I know that Quinny takes this rivalry much more seriously than the Ivy team of the area, but Yale should have an extra spring in their step playing against the Bobcats. I also understand the argument that you want your best players playing at the top of their game going into the playoffs.

However, if it turns out that Yale has nothing to play for on Saturday but pride, then I expect that Quinnipiac, on Senior Night, fighting for home-ice, buoyed by a true sell-out crowd, and with a truer appreciation for the rivalry, will likely come out faster and may be able to put the game out of reach quickly.

 

[yaledoc]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Not to sidetrack this thread, because this series is going to be epic and will have enormous implications for the final seeding, but...

"Coasting" was probably too strong a word. For whatever reason, I didn't realize that Yale and Quinnipiac were playing on Saturday. I know that Quinny takes this rivalry much more seriously than the Ivy team of the area, but Yale should have an extra spring in their step playing against the Bobcats. I also understand the argument that you want your best players playing at the top of their game going into the playoffs.

However, if it turns out that Yale has nothing to play for on Saturday but pride, then I expect that Quinnipiac, on Senior Night, fighting for home-ice, buoyed by a true sell-out crowd, and with a truer appreciation for the rivalry, will likely come out faster and may be able to put the game out of reach quickly.

Burgie....... I hope your future plans include law school......
and I DO mean that. I don't want to sound like the Delphic Oracle
here, but a GREAT deal will depend on Billy Blase..... I think this is
HIS time to shine.

 

[OsecnUC]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

I think you're overthinking the impact of single games on the PWR.

Granted, I am not as closely familiar with the PWR as you, but I do understand its importance in getting invited to the NCAA's. It is one game, but it decides the winner of the season series. Since the first go 'round was a tie, the winner of this game, providing there is a winner, not only moves ahead in the league standings, but also becomes the dominant team in the PWR and is looked at as a team that would beat all of the teams that their head to head opponent beat. I realize that one game should not have a significant impact, but a game of this magnitude just may. Maybe I'm missing something, having never had my team in a position where they have a remote shot at making the big dance.

Bottom line is, if you win out, there's not much to argue about

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

Granted, I am not as closely familiar with the PWR as you, but I do understand its importance in getting invited to the NCAA's. It is one game, but it decides the winner of the season series. Since the first go 'round was a tie, the winner of this game, providing there is a winner, not only moves ahead in the league standings, but also becomes the dominant team in the PWR and is looked at as a team that would beat all of the teams that their head to head opponent beat.

In this instance, the most major effect that this one game has on Union's position in the PWR is vis a vis their comparison with Cornell. Sure it's good to get the leg up in that comparison (and a win would flip the comparison to the Dutchmen), especially since they're relatively close together in the PWR, but it's one comparison out of 24. While it's a game against a TUC, UC still doesn't have 10 games against TUCs (which goes back to the importance of the Engineers and/or SLU becoming TUCs) so it doesn't have that kind of impact. It has impact on Union's RPI, but so does every game they play. The only other place the game has an impact on is with other TUCs who have played Cornell, but in most cases this one game won't impact those COp criteria and won't have direct impact on comparison wins. In each case where Cornell is a common opponent with a TUC, there's not enough of a potential for change through a single game, be it a win or a loss.

I realize that one game should not have a significant impact, but a game of this magnitude just may. Maybe I'm missing something, having never had my team in a position where they have a remote shot at making the big dance.

The bigger impact will come in how it sets the Dutchmen up in the ECAC playoffs. Which leads into your last point.

Bottom line is, if you win out, there's not much to argue about

Right, but there you're talking about multiple games.

 

[yalehockeyfan]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

A Union win on Friday leaves them with nearly nothing to play for on Saturday. Cornell would be 2 points back and loses the tiebreaker. And, they would likely still be behind Yale, losing the tiebreaker to the Bulldogs.

Any result at Lynah other than a tie renders Saturday's games pretty much meaningless.

Union has a ton to play for on both Friday and Saturday as I think it is safe to say that Union hopes their season continues past the ECAC Tournament and into the NCAAs. In order to do this, they can't afford to drop games as that would significantly hurt their PWR and put them out of the NCAAs.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Re: RPI & Union @ Colgate & Cornell (2/26, 2/27)

...a GREAT deal will depend on Billy Blase..... I think this is HIS time to shine.

Isn't he the Oxy-Clean guy? Didn't he pass away recently?