RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

I totally believe Brinkworth and Knightley could have played at the NHL level today. I also think Bill Sack would have had that kind of career. There are probably others from both the 60's and even the early 70's. But the number of NHL organizations was limited.
Harkness seemed to recruit a lot of small forwards.

We can only imagine if any of the earlier players could have made it from the Harkness years.

Brinkworth would probably have made it with more teams. i am not sure about Knightley.

From slightly later, I wonder about Watson and Scammell.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Getting back to the ECAC, this whole no TV of final four is just another reason your going to see ivies jump. Wonder if the Ivies will miss Paul Stewart?

Do you think that the lack of name recogition of the D-III schools is the problem?

 

[turk181]

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just wondering....why hasn't Mike Bergin left to star his career with the Dallas organization?

 

[AspyDad]

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Do you think that the lack of name recogition of the D-III schools is the problem?

I just think there elitists.

 

[AspyDad]

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RH, please check ur rep.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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just wondering....why hasn't Mike Bergin left to star his career with the Dallas organization?

Because he still has a year of eligibility remaining?

If I remember correctly, didn't they give a mention to Malchuk during his senior year despite the fact he still had a year of eligibility remaining?

Although given Bergin was the captain and was drafted by Dallas, that might explain why we had so many foot-in-the-crease violations this year.

 

[redhead18]

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RH, please check ur rep.

You should be able to send me an email by clicking on my user name.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Season summary by Ed Weaver http://www.troyrecord.com/articles/...4f617368b5deb601370168.txt?viewmode=fullstory.

 

[DrDemento]

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Brinkworth would probably have made it with more teams. i am not sure about Knightley.

From slightly later, I wonder about Watson and Scammell.

Agree on Watson for sure and Scammell as a possible. I would think both could have reached AHL level if not higher.

 

[Beman]

I'll add my congrats to the RPI squad for a really fun ride down the stretch. They rallied hard and gave us all reason to be optimistic for next season. Aside from a win or two in Schenectady, it'd be hard to top the last three weeks. I really like what I see from the freshmen -- A LOT of growth from the boys in the 2nd half. I hope this off-season they remember these last few weeks and what it took to play that well.

Always a great dayofo be an RPI fan. Thank you Seniors!

Yes well said.

 

[vicb]

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[Ralph Baer]

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Today is 16 March 2012. There are 204 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 6 October for the start of next season.

That is the day that an exhibition game is supposedly scheduled.

 

[rpi82]

There are just too many reasons for them to leave. I agree with you-I see this as not if but when.(and I do not think we will have long to wait)

What are those reasons that are so different than the last 25+ years? As for TV, the Ivies don't even have a league tournament in hoops or participate in FB post-season. The basketball teams are one-and-done 9 years out of 10 in the NCAAs. If they aren't interested in maximizing visibility in those sports, I don't think the lack of a TV contract for post-season hockey is very high on their list. Besides, there are invariably some Ivy teams in the ECAC semis, so if they were a big TV attraction we'd already have a contract.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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What are those reasons that are so different than the last 25+ years? As for TV, the Ivies don't even have a league tournament in hoops or participate in FB post-season. The basketball teams are one-and-done 9 years out of 10 in the NCAAs. If they aren't interested in maximizing visibility in those sports, I don't think the lack of a TV contract for post-season hockey is very high on their list. Besides, there are invariably some Ivy teams in the ECAC semis, so if they were a big TV attraction we'd already have a contract.

I received a couple of replies when posing a similar question on ELynah:

Y'all are just being paranoid. Trust me - nobody would want to televise the Ivy League Championship Tournament, either.

Paranoia about the Ivy League splitting from the rest of the ECAC is an ECAC tradition.

I am one of the few fans who supports the idea, but I do love the tradition of schools like Clarkson, RPI, and SLU that would be lost were the Ivies to leave the ECAC. I have had this debate at least once before on here.

 

[redhead18]

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What are those reasons that are so different than the last 25+ years? As for TV, the Ivies don't even have a league tournament in hoops or participate in FB post-season. The basketball teams are one-and-done 9 years out of 10 in the NCAAs. If they aren't interested in maximizing visibility in those sports, I don't think the lack of a TV contract for post-season hockey is very high on their list. Besides, there are invariably some Ivy teams in the ECAC semis, so if they were a big TV attraction we'd already have a contract.

Well, the Ivy League did just hire a marketing agency for the first time in conference history...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../12/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Ivy-League.aspx

Within the last few years, the conference has added conference tournaments in men’s and women’s lacrosse, and a women’s crew championship is scheduled for this year. The Ivy League is also seeking a new or renewed football TV deal, since its Versus/NBC Sports Network deal has expired. A comprehensive sports television package is the goal, but there are television deals with individual Ivy schools in sports, including basketball and lacrosse, that are clouding the issue.

“We’re taking a fresh look at all the opportunities we have to get the Ivy League athletic brand more exposure and bring all of the assets to bear and monetize them,” said Scottie Rodgers, Ivy League associate executive director for communications.

I dont know how/if hockey will play into all this but considering they have a history with NBC Sports (Versus) its not really a surprise that all the Friday night games they aired featuring the ECAC were Ivy schools except for the two times they showed RPI. None of the other non-ivys made it on NBC Sports this season. I think it will be interesting how next years tv schedule looks.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Well, the Ivy League did just hire a marketing agency for the first time in conference history...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/.../12/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Ivy-League.aspx




I dont know how/if hockey will play into all this but considering they have a history with NBC Sports (Versus) its not really a surprise that all the Friday night games they aired featuring the ECAC were Ivy schools except for the two times they showed RPI. None of the other non-ivys made it on NBC Sports this season. I think it will be interesting how next years tv schedule looks.

I suspect that in some rinks it would be difficult to place enough cameras (e.g., Messa).

 

[burgie12]

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RPI completely shut out in the regular-season awards. (Announcement)

Dartmouth was the other team to not garner any awards.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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RPI completely shut out in the regular-season awards. (Announcement)

Dartmouth was the other team to not garner any awards.

Not really surprising, although I thought that Leonard was deserving of the rookie team. However defensive defenseman rarely get picked.

 

[DrDemento]

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What are those reasons that are so different than the last 25+ years? As for TV, the Ivies don't even have a league tournament in hoops or participate in FB post-season. The basketball teams are one-and-done 9 years out of 10 in the NCAAs. If they aren't interested in maximizing visibility in those sports, I don't think the lack of a TV contract for post-season hockey is very high on their list. Besides, there are invariably some Ivy teams in the ECAC semis, so if they were a big TV attraction we'd already have a contract.

Relatively simple answer-things are not the same now as they have been for the last 25+ years. Just look at how the ECAC stacks up against the other conferences. That was not always the case. When HE first split off the ECAC was a highly rated conference that could usually count on 2 or even 3 teams every year in the NCAA tournament. Now they are very fortunate to get the 1 single bid for the ECAC tournament champion(and even that bid is one of the lower seeds). Second, in the early years of the ECAC the Ivies were not the dominating teams in the league. It was a good mix with a strong set of North Country teams and RPI and Colgate vying for the top spots along with a couple of Ivies. Now the league is Ivy dominated. They can of course get an auto bid if one of the teams wins out but not much chance of a second Ivy getting a bid. With their own conference, playing each other more often and a select OOC conference-i can see them getting at least 2 bids most of the time. But the post that redhead made gives an even better indication of how they might be thinking at this time-a separation to make media deals involving the 'Ivy Brand' seems not only possible, but likely. Just because they honored the ECAC by hanging in there for 25 years means little in this rapidly changing environment. Ask yourself this-Why would it make sense for teams in the other big leagues to leave and form their own conference? The times, they are a-changing.

 

[DrDemento]

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I suspect that in some rinks it would be difficult to place enough cameras (e.g., Messa).

Aside from the fact that NBC is looking for a national audience-and let's face it-Harvard, Yale, Cornell etc all have more national recognition that RPI, Union etc. It is mostly about ratings. There are still lots of people in this country who think RPI is a military school somewhere.