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RPI Off-Season Thread 2012: An Off-Season to Be Optimistic

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engineerhockeyfan said:
Totally agree with you, He was not counted on at the end of the season and I really thought that he played better his freshman year. I didn't see much progress, and maybe the Caps wanted to see what he could do else where.
Good luck to him.
Of course, we do not have any confirmation that this is going to happen.
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all of it
 
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Serious question to ponder-Many of the NCAA Division I hockey teams have a large number of NHL draft choices on their rosters. And some of them leave early. I am not sure what percentage leave early but it does not appear to be all that high. RPI has had a few NHL draft choices on the roster over the past several years. We have lost Pirri, D'Amigo, York early and now may lose Koudys and Bergin(who does have one year left if he wants it). All could be said to have left Troy early. It appears that we have lost a HIGH percentage of those players that had been drafted by the NHL. We do not seem to have a large number of draft choices who stay the course for all 4 years. I just wonder why? Maybe I am just not aware of other schools early losses?
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree but he did not appear to be our worst performing d-man to me. Under the circumstances, I can't blame him for leaving. I also hope he won't go to Union, but Union abolished their CE major a while back.
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For whatever reasons - which we can all surmise - Appert and Vines didnt dress him down the stretch. i haven't heard of any injuries he was nursing. So clearly the coaches weren't happy with something --practice performance, attitude, preparation, pick your poison. Appert has made no secret of his desire for competition for ice time at all positions...and that is exactly what we have at the blue line. If he is indeed gone, I wish Patrick the best of luck... unless the stars align and we happen to meet him and his new team someday.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
For whatever reasons - which we can all surmise - Appert and Vines didnt dress him down the stretch. i haven't heard of any injuries he was nursing. So clearly the coaches weren't happy with something --practice performance, attitude, preparation, pick your poison. Appert has made no secret of his desire for competition for ice time at all positions...and that is exactly what we have at the blue line. If he is indeed gone, I wish Patrick the best of luck... unless the stars align and we happen to meet him and his new team someday.
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If he pulls a Jordan Cyr... :mad:
 
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DrDemento said:
Serious question to ponder-Many of the NCAA Division I hockey teams have a large number of NHL draft choices on their rosters. And some of them leave early. I am not sure what percentage leave early but it does not appear to be all that high. RPI has had a few NHL draft choices on the roster over the past several years. We have lost Pirri, D'Amigo, York early and now may lose Koudys and Bergin(who does have one year left if he wants it). All could be said to have left Troy early. It appears that we have lost a HIGH percentage of those players that had been drafted by the NHL. We do not seem to have a large number of draft choices who stay the course for all 4 years. I just wonder why? Maybe I am just not aware of other schools early losses?
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I dunno about ratios. Pirri and D'Amigo were both shooting stars -- I don't think there was a chance in heck that either of those guys were staying 4. Bergin's been here for 4 yrs (played 3) he's not leaving "early" if he does go. I think we all wondered how long Koudys would stay, but never thought he'd leave due to lack of ice time... York was ready for the next challenge. Foss was a draft pick and stayed 4. BC regularly loses guys early, but then again they just reload. Union lost Kincaid early, but Zajac stayed for 4.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
I dunno about ratios. Pirri and D'Amigo were both shooting stars -- I don't think there was a chance in heck that either of those guys were staying 4. Bergin's been here for 4 yrs (played 3) he's not leaving "early" if he does go. I think we all wondered how long Koudys would stay, but never thought he'd leave due to lack of ice time... York was ready for the next challenge. Foss was a draft pick and stayed 4. BC regularly loses guys early, but then again they just reload. Union lost Kincaid early, but Zajac stayed for 4.
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i don't think that either Kincaid or Zajac was drafted.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
I dunno about ratios. Pirri and D'Amigo were both shooting stars -- I don't think there was a chance in heck that either of those guys were staying 4. Bergin's been here for 4 yrs (played 3) he's not leaving "early" if he does go. I think we all wondered how long Koudys would stay, but never thought he'd leave due to lack of ice time... York was ready for the next challenge. Foss was a draft pick and stayed 4. BC regularly loses guys early, but then again they just reload. Union lost Kincaid early, but Zajac stayed for 4.
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Perhaps this is why we have the lesson learned of recruiting kids on 2 and even 3 year bases. It's certainly taking a while, but Coach is putting us into a position where we can just reload. Sadly the "reload" for Polacek didn't pan out too well this year (he's still young and has plenty of time to develop), but hopefully we're able to get those sorts of superstars in every 2 years.
 
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DrDemento said:
Serious question to ponder I just wonder why?
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Most NHL draft choices will remain with their repective NCAA college hockey teams..................unless the NHL teams are concerned about the development of their prospect.
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
Most NHL draft choices will remain with their repective NCAA college hockey teams..................unless the NHL teams are concerned about the development of their prospect.
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So are you basically saying that Appert's doing a ****poor job with the development of top talent? Notable exception of Allen York, of course, as that club was in dire straits and pretty much needed him (and given his NHL record, it showed...).
 
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I wish I could find the post from last offseason where one of the RPI posters said Koudys would have a better college career than Mat Bodie. That was pure comedic gold then, even funnier now.
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
I dunno about ratios. Pirri and D'Amigo were both shooting stars -- I don't think there was a chance in heck that either of those guys were staying 4. Bergin's been here for 4 yrs (played 3) he's not leaving "early" if he does go. I think we all wondered how long Koudys would stay, but never thought he'd leave due to lack of ice time... York was ready for the next challenge. Foss was a draft pick and stayed 4. BC regularly loses guys early, but then again they just reload. Union lost Kincaid early, but Zajac stayed for 4.
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Just has seemed to me that we lose the fellows who have been drafted more so (percentage wise) than those teams with a lot of draft choices on the roster. I have no clue why-perhaps it is just the nature of the kids we pick. But if Bergin is gone after playing only 3 of his years-I would consider that another early leaving. I am not in any way blaming kids for leaving early from any place-Troy or other wise. I am just trying to rationalize in my own mind why it just seems like we have been losing more guys in the recent past than other programs seem to lose. In any case, it doesn't seem that it will make any difference in the near future as we do not seem to have that many potential NHL picks on the radar right now.
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
Most NHL draft choices will remain with their repective NCAA college hockey teams..................unless the NHL teams are concerned about the development of their prospect.
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That was one of the possibilities I had thought about.
 
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DrDemento said:
Just has seemed to me that we lose the fellows who have been drafted more so (percentage wise) than those teams with a lot of draft choices on the roster. I have no clue why-perhaps it is just the nature of the kids we pick. But if Bergin is gone after playing only 3 of his years-I would consider that another early leaving. I am not in any way blaming kids for leaving early from any place-Troy or other wise. I am just trying to rationalize in my own mind why it just seems like we have been losing more guys in the recent past than other programs seem to lose. In any case, it doesn't seem that it will make any difference in the near future as we do not seem to have that many potential NHL picks on the radar right now.
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Doc: I think you're looking at a bit of a small sample size, which temporally coincides with a significant overall trend of players jumping early. Also, I think the dire state of recruiting in Fridgen's last view years skew the view a bit -- before Appert, we went three or four years with almost no draftees on the roster. Now, when a few of our draftees start leaving early, it stands out a lot more than when we had several years in a row of no jumps (because none were possible).

Also, even though Polacek was not drafted, I think you should include him in your sample, because we know for a fact (indeed, you're the one who has -- helpfully, I might add -- pointed this out) that he had offers to sign with teams after his junior year. Arguably, he had more pressure to jump (in the form of market forces) than did players who had actually been drafted.

Lastly, and this is a bit of a tangent, I'd hardly count Bergin jumping (if he does) as going early (and, trust me, I would love as much as anyone for him to stick around and play a fifth year). He'd be one of the oldest players in college hockey if he stayed, and if he already has a degree in hand, staying would look a lot more like playing out the string instead of trying to tackle new challenges.
 
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knsmith said:
Doc: I think you're looking at a bit of a small sample size, which temporally coincides with a significant overall trend of players jumping early. Also, I think the dire state of recruiting in Fridgen's last view years skew the view a bit -- before Appert, we went three or four years with almost no draftees on the roster. Now, when a few of our draftees start leaving early, it stands out a lot more than when we had several years in a row of no jumps (because none were possible).

Also, even though Polacek was not drafted, I think you should include him in your sample, because we know for a fact (indeed, you're the one who has -- helpfully, I might add -- pointed this out) that he had offers to sign with teams after his junior year. Arguably, he had more pressure to jump (in the form of market forces) than did players who had actually been drafted.

Lastly, and this is a bit of a tangent, I'd hardly count Bergin jumping (if he does) as going early (and, trust me, I would love as much as anyone for him to stick around and play a fifth year). He'd be one of the oldest players in college hockey if he stayed, and if he already has a degree in hand, staying would look a lot more like playing out the string instead of trying to tackle new challenges.
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Exactly the kind of response I was looking for. I do think the sample is small and perhaps skewed. But it does stand out a bit when we seem to lose almost all our NHL draftees over a few year period.
 
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