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RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Very good RB! I must say that we never even remotely thought that play was off sides while we were in Detroit. We still did not think about it after seeing replays on video when we got home. But years later, when attention was called to it, you could make a case for it.
Very good RB! I must say that we never even remotely thought that play was off sides while we were in Detroit. We still did not think about it after seeing replays on video when we got home. But years later, when attention was called to it, you could make a case for it.
ServinisScores
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Just a note to those on the thread responsible for the new podcast - very well done. Made my trip to Troy go by in a flash! Good job.
Just a note to those on the thread responsible for the new podcast - very well done. Made my trip to Troy go by in a flash! Good job.
Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
The table keeps getting smaller:
And here's a preview of the potential impact of the upcoming weekend's games:
Unsurprisingly, winning two games is important for staying up in the standings and potentially earning a bye, but I was a bit surprised to see that beating only Quinnipiac was only marginally more helpful than beating only Princeton.
The table keeps getting smaller:
Code:
| 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
----------------------------------------------------
19 | x x 0.2 [B]4.2[/B] 0.1 x
20 | x 0.0 0.8 [B]4.9[/B] 0.0
21 | 0.1 1.3 9.4 [B]10.6[/B] 0.0
22 | 0.5 4.0 [B]7.9[/B] 3.5 x
23 | 0.0 6.6 [B]12.7[/B] 6.0 0.6 x
24 | x 0.0 [B]6.3[/B] 4.6 0.7 0.0
25 | 0.0 0.9 [B]8.9[/B] 1.2 0.0 0.0
26 | 0.0 0.5 [B]1.8[/B] 0.1 x x
27 | 0.2 [B]0.9[/B] 0.3 x
[b]Bold[/b] is the most likely position for each point total.
0.0 means the outcome occurred, but fewer than 500 times.
x means the outcome never occurred.
Blank outcomes are impossible.And here's a preview of the potential impact of the upcoming weekend's games:
Code:
Chances of a bye (%):
| Qu
----| W | T | L |
W|10.9| 3.4| 1.3|
Pr T| 3.6| 1.3| 0.1|
L| 1.4| 0.1|0.02|
Average Rank:
| Qu
----| W | T | L |
W| 5.4| 6.0| 6.4|
Pr T| 6.0| 6.4| 6.9|
L| 6.4| 6.9| 7.4|
Most likely first round opponent:
| Qu
----| W | T | L |
W| SL | SL |UnPr|
Pr T| SL | Un | Br |
L| Pr | Br | Br |Unsurprisingly, winning two games is important for staying up in the standings and potentially earning a bye, but I was a bit surprised to see that beating only Quinnipiac was only marginally more helpful than beating only Princeton.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Saturday's highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scfVbthi7PA
Cornell's version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol1jYnp9c3s
Saturday's highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scfVbthi7PA
Cornell's version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol1jYnp9c3s
Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Trivia question here: is the proper term "offside" or "offsides"? It is my impression that in Canada and most of the US, and in all of the hockey rule books, the term is "offside". But in certain areas of the US Northeast people use the term "offsides". Where did this come from.
Trivia question here: is the proper term "offside" or "offsides"? It is my impression that in Canada and most of the US, and in all of the hockey rule books, the term is "offside". But in certain areas of the US Northeast people use the term "offsides". Where did this come from.
Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Thanks for the analysis. my simple mind had though the most important game left was at Dartmouth and that a win there coupled with a win at home against Princeton would be probably enough to insure a 5th or 6th finish. Seems we can actually take care of business this weekend at home. A 3 point weekend would certainly put us in a very good position so that there is a little less pressure for that last road trip.
Thanks for the analysis. my simple mind had though the most important game left was at Dartmouth and that a win there coupled with a win at home against Princeton would be probably enough to insure a 5th or 6th finish. Seems we can actually take care of business this weekend at home. A 3 point weekend would certainly put us in a very good position so that there is a little less pressure for that last road trip.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
I usually say "offsides" even though I know now that it is wrong. I think that it has to do with being from NYC.
I have an even tougher time trying to remember to use the word "sweater" instead of "jersey".
I usually say "offsides" even though I know now that it is wrong. I think that it has to do with being from NYC.
I have an even tougher time trying to remember to use the word "sweater" instead of "jersey".
DavidNardolillo
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Agreed, and RPI has also benefited from an inconsistent ECAC this year. After strong starts to the season Harvard has only won 3 of its last 12 ECAC games and Dartmouth has won one of its last seven. You normally can't legislate for those types of swoons within a season.
All the remaining games are basically playoff games. Top 4 is possible, but so is 9th. Friday's game is a big test. Quinnipiac has been playing well, and RPI has struggled against them in recent years. I am very happy to have some relevant games to play at the end of the season for the first time in a few years!
Agreed, and RPI has also benefited from an inconsistent ECAC this year. After strong starts to the season Harvard has only won 3 of its last 12 ECAC games and Dartmouth has won one of its last seven. You normally can't legislate for those types of swoons within a season.
All the remaining games are basically playoff games. Top 4 is possible, but so is 9th. Friday's game is a big test. Quinnipiac has been playing well, and RPI has struggled against them in recent years. I am very happy to have some relevant games to play at the end of the season for the first time in a few years!
DavidNardolillo
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I'm a bit more cautious: Good resilience but RPI was still outshot in each period on Saturday night, and Quinnipiac beat Cornell 5-0 two weeks ago.
I don't like to drag the guys--you are right that they never give up--but the last two weeks were fair indicators of where this team is in the larger landscape. When they are not focused, they are completely overmatched against the big teams. I like how RPI doesn't give up, but we just don't have the offense to compensate for those lapses in concentration--That 2 on 1 chance with about 10 minutes left in the game after Cornell failed to clear a blocked shot at the point has *got* to turn into the tying goal, but the crossing pass is slow and slightly behind and it looks like from the replay the shot went wide anyway from 4 feet out. I would like to think that our confidence has been building to take those chances...This weekend would be a perfect time to take the next step forward.
I'm a bit more cautious: Good resilience but RPI was still outshot in each period on Saturday night, and Quinnipiac beat Cornell 5-0 two weeks ago.
I don't like to drag the guys--you are right that they never give up--but the last two weeks were fair indicators of where this team is in the larger landscape. When they are not focused, they are completely overmatched against the big teams. I like how RPI doesn't give up, but we just don't have the offense to compensate for those lapses in concentration--That 2 on 1 chance with about 10 minutes left in the game after Cornell failed to clear a blocked shot at the point has *got* to turn into the tying goal, but the crossing pass is slow and slightly behind and it looks like from the replay the shot went wide anyway from 4 feet out. I would like to think that our confidence has been building to take those chances...This weekend would be a perfect time to take the next step forward.
NPC19850330
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
What play are you referring too? I don't recall a 2 on 1 in the second period. I do recall one where Jerry waited too long to move the puck to Polino on a 2 on 1 and he then had his pass blocked.
What play are you referring too? I don't recall a 2 on 1 in the second period. I do recall one where Jerry waited too long to move the puck to Polino on a 2 on 1 and he then had his pass blocked.
DavidNardolillo
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
I am referring to the play with 10 minutes left in the third, not the second, which I have cued up here: https://youtu.be/scfVbthi7PA?t=132
It is not a classic 2 on 1, in the sense that it starts in the offensive zone after a blocked shot, but Cornell commits 4 men to the break out and got caught when the puck gets to Ashbrook on the faceoff dot with Gornall in front and one defender in between them. Everything is just a bit off--from the timing, speed, and accuracy of the crossing pass, to the shank on the shot that appears to send it wide anyway--but those are the types of increments that put teams in the bottom 3rd in goals per game and make the difference over the course of the season.
I am referring to the play with 10 minutes left in the third, not the second, which I have cued up here: https://youtu.be/scfVbthi7PA?t=132
It is not a classic 2 on 1, in the sense that it starts in the offensive zone after a blocked shot, but Cornell commits 4 men to the break out and got caught when the puck gets to Ashbrook on the faceoff dot with Gornall in front and one defender in between them. Everything is just a bit off--from the timing, speed, and accuracy of the crossing pass, to the shank on the shot that appears to send it wide anyway--but those are the types of increments that put teams in the bottom 3rd in goals per game and make the difference over the course of the season.
engineerhockeyfan
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
You can't expect this team to be something that it is not. Offensively, we are challenged. We mess up more two on ones, and more breakaways than any team I have seen in recent history. That is just the way it is.
We have a strong defense and good goaltending, and this year we are finally getting goals by committee. But we are not a talented offensive team.
That said, we have shown that we can compete with any team in the ECAC.
I still have no expectations for this team, and I am happy to say, that they have surprised me on many occasions this year.
I only hope that they can surprise me all the way to Lake Placid.
You can't expect this team to be something that it is not. Offensively, we are challenged. We mess up more two on ones, and more breakaways than any team I have seen in recent history. That is just the way it is.
We have a strong defense and good goaltending, and this year we are finally getting goals by committee. But we are not a talented offensive team.
That said, we have shown that we can compete with any team in the ECAC.
I still have no expectations for this team, and I am happy to say, that they have surprised me on many occasions this year.
I only hope that they can surprise me all the way to Lake Placid.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/RPIAthletics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPIAthletics</a> Men’s Hockey Team at the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmpireStatePlaza?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmpireStatePlaza</a>! <a href="https://t.co/tw3zxUbmek">pic.twitter.com/tw3zxUbmek</a></p>— Empire State Plaza (@PlazaEvents) <a href="https://twitter.com/PlazaEvents/status/1229540143637422081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
Yup. That about sums it up. Guys show a lot of heart and most nights they play great team defense - this all improvement that I am happy to see. Credit to Smith and his staff for the clear improvements. Our offfense is lacking and it will flounder until if/when we can land some consistent finishers.
Yup. That about sums it up. Guys show a lot of heart and most nights they play great team defense - this all improvement that I am happy to see. Credit to Smith and his staff for the clear improvements. Our offfense is lacking and it will flounder until if/when we can land some consistent finishers.
DavidNardolillo
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
I agree. I am just pointing out a particular play that illustrates the limitations.
I agree. I am just pointing out a particular play that illustrates the limitations.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
We are going to have to be lucky to land and then keep on our recruit list some finishers. Smith has been able to get some, but then they find offers with higher profile schools. Perhaps Finn Brown will fit that role, but it is a question if he will be able to overpowers opponents on the college level as he does in the OJHL. Jake Gagnon was also a good scorer earlier in the year, but he has cooled off a lot (24 goals in his first 25 games and 5 in his last 23).
We are going to have to be lucky to land and then keep on our recruit list some finishers. Smith has been able to get some, but then they find offers with higher profile schools. Perhaps Finn Brown will fit that role, but it is a question if he will be able to overpowers opponents on the college level as he does in the OJHL. Jake Gagnon was also a good scorer earlier in the year, but he has cooled off a lot (24 goals in his first 25 games and 5 in his last 23).
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