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RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!

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I'm going to disagree a little bit about Yale vs. Harvard. With the Eli only two points behind the Engineers and holding a tiebreaker advantage, I'm not eager for them to catch up to RPI in the standings.

As for Saturday's Yale-Dartmouth game, I'd like to see them both lose, but of course that's impossible. I guess we can be thankful that this is college hockey and not pro, so there's no possibility that Yale vs. Dartmouth could generate two points for one team and one for the other.

The Yale/Harvard seems more because Harvard is in 4th, and so them losing, compared with us winning, brings us that much closer to an outside yet looking slightly better shot for the bye. The good news is we have one more game vs. them, which would help to solidify where that goes.

Let's remember, we're on 17, Harvard's on 21, and there are 12 points up for grabs. Usually need about 25 for a bye (I imagine it'll be a little higher this year given the standings), and about 18 for first round home ice (not a mathematical lock, but we're starting to get there). The biggest thing we can do, though, is to help ourselves.

Colgate's an important one, and that's next on the docket. Let's take care of business there. Cornell would be a nice bonus, but we'll see what happens.

Last home weekend is Princeton/Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac is on the bye bubble, so if we've kept pace or made any advance, we really need to try to get it done there if we want a shot at the bye; gotta take it from them. We left a point on the table at Princeton; let's not do that again.

Harvard's the same boat as Quinnipiac: If we want the bye, and it's within striking distance, we gotta take it from them. For all we know, it could be a repeat of the 2009-10 season at Colgate, where after we heard certain results, we knew that no matter what else, that game was being played for the bye. And then Dartmouth, although we'll probably be a lock by then for what we're doing to start the playoffs, let's just show that we can continue to play hard.
 
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The Yale/Harvard seems more because Harvard is in 4th, and so them losing, compared with us winning, brings us that much closer to an outside yet looking slightly better shot for the bye. The good news is we have one more game vs. them, which would help to solidify where that goes.

Let's remember, we're on 17, Harvard's on 21, and there are 12 points up for grabs. Usually need about 25 for a bye (I imagine it'll be a little higher this year given the standings), and about 18 for first round home ice (not a mathematical lock, but we're starting to get there). The biggest thing we can do, though, is to help ourselves.

Colgate's an important one, and that's next on the docket. Let's take care of business there. Cornell would be a nice bonus, but we'll see what happens.

Last home weekend is Princeton/Quinnipiac. Quinnipiac is on the bye bubble, so if we've kept pace or made any advance, we really need to try to get it done there if we want a shot at the bye; gotta take it from them. We left a point on the table at Princeton; let's not do that again.

Harvard's the same boat as Quinnipiac: If we want the bye, and it's within striking distance, we gotta take it from them. For all we know, it could be a repeat of the 2009-10 season at Colgate, where after we heard certain results, we knew that no matter what else, that game was being played for the bye. And then Dartmouth, although we'll probably be a lock by then for what we're doing to start the playoffs, let's just show that we can continue to play hard.

Agree with most if not all. We were at Baker Rink for the Princeton game and yes we left a point there. But both of us thought it was not so much us leaving a point as it was officials taking one away. That third period string of penalties were spurious at best. Understand fully that when you are up a goal or two you simply should not be taking any penalties unless they are goal saving plays. that was in no way the case as we got called for some things that were let go all game long and also let go when Princeton committed them. $hit happens and you just have to move on but that point may really come back to haunt us and we felt that way leaving the rink.
As far as catching Harvard or Quinnipiac for a bye, too remote to even consider at this stage. May rethink that after this coming weekend but far more important to try to solidify a hold on 5th or 6th and play at home against an 11th or 12th seed. Just my usual 2¢
 
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That is a fair disagreement. It was a tough choice, but for me, personally I would like to see us try for the first round bye. If we take care of our business, Yale will not catch us. That was just my thought process.

After many years of following our struggles in the ECAC I have learned to NEVER expect any help down the stretch. Whatever could go wrong with other teams playing each other usually does. We have 6 more games in which to help ourselves and we need every point we can garner. We left a point on the table in Princeton and at that time both Jenny and I just knew that would come back to haunt us. Let's hope it doesn't. We are a much better team this year. We are in fact at times, a good team trying to be a very good team. Our seeding for the playoffs will depend on how well we show that for those last 6 games and i do not think we can expect any help anywhere else. A bye is just too remote to even consider, at least until after this weekend. personally I am just hoping we can find a way to take hold of 5th or 6th which would make for a somewhat easier path.
 
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I agree completety with DrD. Keeping a high home advantage is more important at this time than the going for a bye. The bye is out of our control. It should be reevaluated for next weekend.
 
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I agree completety with DrD. Keeping a high home advantage is more important at this time than the going for a bye. The bye is out of our control. It should be reevaluated for next weekend.

You don't lose "high home advantage" by going for a bye. You take it one game at a time, fight to get your two points, and then whatever happens with the other teams happens.
 
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You don't lose "high home advantage" by going for a bye. You take it one game at a time, fight to get your two points, and then whatever happens with the other teams happens.

Of course, the team should try to win. The question was whom we should root for as fans in the Harvard-Yale game. I say root for Harvard.
 
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KRACH sim says root for Yale if you want a bye, root for Harvard if you want to be higher in the standings.

Result - AvRk, Bye%, Home% - Top3Opps
Yale - 6.92, 1.7%, 96.5% - Brown, Union, Princeton
Harvard - 6.67, 0.5%, 98.4% - Union, Princeton, Brown
Tie - 6.78, 0.9%, 97.6% - Union, Brown, Princeton
 
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new table:
Code:
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19 |                             x   0.0   0.9   [B]2.6[/B]   0.0     x
20 |                           0.0   0.1   2.2   [B]2.9[/B]   0.0     x
21 |                           0.1   2.6  [B]11.0[/B]   4.4   0.0     x
22 |                 x     x   0.5   5.3   [B]8.8[/B]   1.4   0.0      
23 |                 x   0.0   4.7  [B]12.8[/B]   6.3   0.2     x      
24 |                 x   0.0   [B]6.6[/B]   6.0   1.2   0.0            
25 |               0.0   0.4   [B]9.3[/B]   2.3   0.1     x            
26 |               0.0   0.7   [B]3.4[/B]   0.2   0.0     x            
27 |               0.1   0.9   [B]1.3[/B]   0.0     x                  
28 |     x     x   0.1   [B]0.2[/B]   0.1     x                        
29 |     x     x   [B]0.1[/B]   0.0   0.0
 
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new table:
Code:
   |     1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9    10
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19 |                             x   0.0   0.9   [B]2.6[/B]   0.0     x
20 |                           0.0   0.1   2.2   [B]2.9[/B]   0.0     x
21 |                           0.1   2.6  [B]11.0[/B]   4.4   0.0     x
22 |                 x     x   0.5   5.3   [B]8.8[/B]   1.4   0.0      
23 |                 x   0.0   4.7  [B]12.8[/B]   6.3   0.2     x      
24 |                 x   0.0   [B]6.6[/B]   6.0   1.2   0.0            
25 |               0.0   0.4   [B]9.3[/B]   2.3   0.1     x            
26 |               0.0   0.7   [B]3.4[/B]   0.2   0.0     x            
27 |               0.1   0.9   [B]1.3[/B]   0.0     x                  
28 |     x     x   0.1   [B]0.2[/B]   0.1     x                        
29 |     x     x   [B]0.1[/B]   0.0   0.0

I assume from the table that we are now a lock for home ice? Decent chances for 5th and 6th and we could do a lot to help that with just getting a point at Cornell tonight. Rooting for all the road teams tonight and all the home teams next Friday (pretty much) but really doubt we will get much help from them.
 
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I assume from the table that we are now a lock for home ice? Decent chances for 5th and 6th and we could do a lot to help that with just getting a point at Cornell tonight. Rooting for all the road teams tonight and all the home teams next Friday (pretty much) but really doubt we will get much help from them.

Pretty much. Actually, we can clinch home ice tonight with a win over Cornell, a Brown loss to Harvard, and a loss or tie by Union. But with 3 of our the last 5 games against teams in the Top 4, anything can still happen.
Hope you’re not on call tonight. :)

Oh, and attendance at Colgate was a whopping 813 fans. A shame considering how nice their arena looks.
 
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That was a game we had to win, and we did. On 19 with 5 games and a potential 10 points to go. With the other results, at the very least we'll keep pace with Quinnipiac (on 22; they had lost) over the week. Not quite the same story for Harvard (on 22; pulled out a tie) so tonight isn't quite the bonus it was, but it's still close.

The good news is that if we want the bye, the majority of the way to get it is in our hands, as we face the two potential teams we have to pass, of which we only need to pass one. Sure, there's a little help needed, but let's get it done ourselves.
 
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That was a game we had to win, and we did. On 19 with 5 games and a potential 10 points to go. With the other results, at the very least we'll keep pace with Quinnipiac (on 22; they had lost) over the week. Not quite the same story for Harvard (on 22; pulled out a tie) so tonight isn't quite the bonus it was, but it's still close.

The good news is that if we want the bye, the majority of the way to get it is in our hands, as we face the two potential teams we have to pass, of which we only need to pass one. Sure, there's a little help needed, but let's get it done ourselves.

Very solid win last night. Won the puck battles, stayed out of the box, got grade-A saves from Owen at key moments in the game, got some breaks (3rd goal) and just out-hustled the Raiders in their own barn. A full 60-minute effort. I think this is the kind of hockey Smith wants this team to play. Team playing with confidence right now. Good to see that on the way into Lynah.

Agree with comments on crowd at Class of 1965 Arena. Nice facility. It is a holiday weekend for a lot of folks and the student parking lots showed it. Colgate's band used to be a fixture at these games and no sign of them. The few students on hand seemed to be only the ones with "friends" on the team. Throw in players' families and a handful of locals and that was pretty much it. RPI fans in attendance made as much noise as the Colgate contingent.
 
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Pretty much. Actually, we can clinch home ice tonight with a win over Cornell, a Brown loss to Harvard, and a loss or tie by Union. But with 3 of our the last 5 games against teams in the Top 4, anything can still happen.
Hope you’re not on call tonight. :)

Oh, and attendance at Colgate was a whopping 813 fans. A shame considering how nice their arena looks.

Unfortunately I have the entire weekend on call. But things could be quiet. We might have one advantage tonight in that although Cornell is truly a top tier team, their penalty kill numbers are not all that good. Their power play numbers however are quite good. if we can manage to draw a few penalties (which is asking a lot) while staying out of the box ourselves, we could have a chance to take advantage. We did not look all that good against them in Troy so I would think we look for any edge we can find.

Jen and i had been in their old rink several time ins the past. Often got to sit almost right on the ice in a very small rink like that. reminded me of Baker down here at Princeton a lot. Big difference was the temperature inside. Most nights you had best wear a fur coat at Baker or suffer from teeth chattering by the third period.
 
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Very solid win last night. Won the puck battles, stayed out of the box, got grade-A saves from Owen at key moments in the game, got some breaks (3rd goal) and just out-hustled the Raiders in their own barn. A full 60-minute effort. I think this is the kind of hockey Smith wants this team to play. Team playing with confidence right now. Good to see that on the way into Lynah.

Agree with comments on crowd at Class of 1965 Arena. Nice facility. It is a holiday weekend for a lot of folks and the student parking lots showed it. Colgate's band used to be a fixture at these games and no sign of them. The few students on hand seemed to be only the ones with "friends" on the team. Throw in players' families and a handful of locals and that was pretty much it. RPI fans in attendance made as much noise as the Colgate contingent.

I watched the game on ESPN+, and I agree. Earned some fortunate bounces and did really well to come back after giving up a terrible goal to start the second period. It also has to be said that Colgate was poor again.

The announcer on ESPN+ took a dig at the empty student section behind the goal with a comment to the effect that they "didn't get the memo" that there was a game. Maybe Valentine's day is a big thing on campus, but surprised if President's Day weekend was a factor with the students. Longer winter breaks for colleges don't usually leave room for February days off.

Student spirit at Colgate has been in the news in recent years: people might have heard about the "Colgate" band that was at the NCAA basketball tournament last year: https://deadspin.com/colgate-rented-ohio-states-pep-band-for-its-ncaa-tourna-1833672399
 
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I watched the game on ESPN+, and I agree. Earned some fortunate bounces and did really well to come back after giving up a terrible goal to start the second period. It also has to be said that Colgate was poor again.

The announcer on ESPN+ took a dig at the empty student section behind the goal with a comment to the effect that they "didn't get the memo" that there was a game. Maybe Valentine's day is a big thing on campus, but surprised if President's Day weekend was a factor with the students. Longer winter breaks for colleges don't usually leave room for February days off.

Student spirit at Colgate has been in the news in recent years: people might have heard about the "Colgate" band that was at the NCAA basketball tournament last year: https://deadspin.com/colgate-rented-ohio-states-pep-band-for-its-ncaa-tourna-1833672399

http://apbwiki.rpipepbandalumni.org/2007-2008#March_21_.26_22.2C_2008:_Safety_Band_v2.0
 
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