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RPI Hockey 2017 - 2018: A Wealth of Notions

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tony/troy

And 162 games on WOR. I loved watching the Mets and only watched the Yankees (120 games on WPIX) if they were playing our beloved Red Sox.
 
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tony/troy said:
Not even close to that feeling. This is far worse. At least the team that first got me interested in both baseball in particular and sports in general had these things going for them.

1) The supposed worst team in MLB history (in reality only the third worst post 1900 and actually only the ninth worst all time) had a winning percent of 250. We are at 214. Hardly comparable.

2) The 62 Mets were led in hitting by an aging (many original Mets were that) Richie Ashburn who hit 306 that year with next to no protection in that lineup. We have no one doing anything close to that.

3) The 62 Mets were led in homers by Frank Thomas who hit 34 that year with next to no protection in that lineup. We have no one doing anything close to that.

4) One of two Bob Millers' on the 62 Met pitching staff (no relation except in ineffectiveness) spent the very next season as the fourth starter on a staff with three other guys some people may remember. Those guys were Koufax, Drysdale and Podres. Miller went 14- 14 for the 1963 Dodgers which got him a winners' share of the World Series pot and a world championship ring for life. We have no one who will get anything next year.

5) Two years later with the Cardinals trailing the Yankees 2 games to 1 in the 1964 series AND getting beat 3-0 in game five, original Met Roger Craig had to be summoned in early to bail out the starter. From that point on, Mickey, Roger, Ellie, et. al. could do absolutely nothing with Craig who went the rest of the way allowing the Cards to come back with a Ken Boyer (later became yet another aging Met) grand slam. Craig got the win and turned the whole series around. Like Miller, Craig also got a winners' share of the World Series pot and a world championship ring for life. We have no one who will get anything two years from now.

5) Original Met "Little" Alvin Jackson was still pitching somewhat effectively in the majors close to a decade later. We have no one who will still be playing hockey anywhere close to a decade from now.

6) Both the original Mets and all Mets for about the next two decades had the great Jane Jarvis on the organ playing the likes of Meet the Mets pregame, The Mexican Hat Dance during the seventh inning stretch, Felix the Cat whenever Felix Milan led off an inning and The Irish Jig whenever Tug McGraw was summoned from the bullpen. A lot of what we get is annoying, blaring piped in music that does nothing but manufacture migraines.

7) Both the original and early Mets had a live mascot (Homer the Beagle) and an ad campaign featuring a bevy of gorgeous dolls vying to be the next Miss Reingold. We have a puck and scoreboard screen promos for a local ambulance chaser.

8) The original Mets and all other Mets through about 1980 had about the best broadcasting talent that has EVER been assembled with Lindsey Nelson, Bob Murphy and Ralph Kiner. Remember that a younger Kiner was really good. He just stayed around too long. About the only noteworthy aspect of this era of RPI Hockey is that, at least, we having Perry manning the mike relaying the bad news as it happens. Perry is pretty dammed good as are some of the other guys who occasionally fill in for hockey and broadcast other RPI sports.

Yes, about the only favorable comparison we have to the original 1962 New York Mets is in the broadcast booth.
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Wow, a true Mets fan.
I was only going for the fact that we seem to find new ways to lose every night. A trend that is very comparable to those Mets.
 
ServinisScores said:
i like the Perry idea. This team is getting killed with bad goals. Our collective moods would be a lot more positive if we had average netminding.
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The game tying goal on Saturday was a bad goal and the winner wasn’t much better. Both were scored on Perry. His play has not been stellar this year and he has let in his fair share of bad goals just as Marshall has
 
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Noresmen said:
The game tying goal on Saturday was a bad goal and the winner wasn’t much better. Both were scored on Perry. His play has not been stellar this year and he has let in his fair share of bad goals just as Marshall has
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Considering Marshall was pulled in the 2nd, there really wasn't that much better of an option.
 
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One of our huge problems seems to be that we seem to always give up a goal or two quickly at the start of the game and spend the rest of the time trying to fight back. In 21 games, we have surrendered first 18 times, and we have a -16 goal differential in the first period (-3 in the rest of regulation if we discount empty netters). Our goalies' first period save percentage is an awful .860. In the second and third periods, we put up a .930 (really good!) and .911 (right about average), respectively.

Obviously this failing is not just on the goalies, but the fact that we're always starting off in the hole prevents us from truly competing in many games.
 
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Noresmen said:
The game tying goal on Saturday was a bad goal and the winner wasn’t much better. Both were scored on Perry. His play has not been stellar this year and he has let in his fair share of bad goals just as Marshall has
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I didn't see Saturday night's game, but I would agree that, as far as I could tell from the WRPI broadcast, it did sound like the tying goal was a bad one.

I'm not suggesting that Perry should be anointed the # 1 goalie for the rest of the year. I'm just suggesting that he should start Tuesday night.

Somebody has to start Tuesday's game in goal. If the choice is between two goaltenders who haven't been stellar this year, I still think it makes sense to start the guy that shut out Tuesday's opponent the last time they saw him.
 
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lugnut92 said:
Our goalies' first period save percentage is an awful .860. In the second and third periods, we put up a .930 (really good!) and .911 (right about average), respectively.
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I dove a little deeper on this to see if the effect was goalie specific, and it is not.
Code: 
        | 1st| 2nd| 3rd| REG
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Marshall|.863|.931|.910|.904
Perry   |.856|.929|.912|.899
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 TOTAL  |.860|.930|.911|.902

I didn't actually do any statistical tests, but I'm going to guess that the differences between Marshall and Perry are not significant. That goes even further to suggest that the team just isn't ready to go at the start of games. We do face waaaaay more shots in the second period, but for whatever reason, our goaltenders are much more adept at turning these shots aside, despite the higher volume (The standard justification for this would be that we're limiting our opponents to low quality shots in the second, but without access to shot charts, it's hard to say).
 
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lugnut,

Considering how few games are involved, I would be very surprised if there is significant difference using any reasonable criteria.
 
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Noresmen said:
The game tying goal on Saturday was a bad goal and the winner wasn’t much better. Both were scored on Perry. His play has not been stellar this year and he has let in his fair share of bad goals just as Marshall has
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I could care less if Rene Fradet started tomorrow, but the play has to be better. Whoever can do that for a game gets the next start...and so on.
 
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ServinisScores said:
I could care less if Rene Fradet started tomorrow, but the play has to be better. Whoever can do that for a game gets the next start...and so on.
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Coach Smith seems to have been trying to do that, namely going with the (relatively) hot hand. He definitely has not been alternating goalies.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
lugnut,

Considering how few games are involved, I would be very surprised if there is significant difference using any reasonable criteria.
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Yeah, that's why I didn't really bother. It's possible that the 0.007 difference between the two goalies' first period performance is significant, but I'm not even really sure what test I would use.
 
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rvd5star69 said:
ANY band tomorrow nights ?
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I don't believe so. Classes aren't back in session yet so most of the band won't be around, and it's much harder to put together an alumni band on a weekday night.

(this should totally be the Autism Awareness Game)
 
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lugnut92 said:
I don't believe so. Classes aren't back in session yet so most of the band won't be around, and it's much harder to put together an alumni band on a weekday night.

(this should totally be the Autism Awareness Game)
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When's the last time we even did an alumni band? A couple points around the end of the last decade are the only times I can remember.

ETA: Freakout doesn't count.
 
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What is the story with Kyle St. Denis? He was bought in early to fill the hole when Hackett was kicked off the team. He has never really been given a chance to show what he can do and gave up a year of eligibility, I think, for a small part of a season. Why not give him a shot? They really have little to lose. If they aren't going to do that, I would rotate the goalies the rest of the way unless someone really demonstrates clear superiority in goal. That has not happened so far. How will this work going forward? Perry is a Junior, Marshall a Freshman (or is it First Year?), and St. Denis is a Sophomore. Will one (or more) be dropped for a new prospect? The team clearly can't get better unless the goaltending gets better. Lastly, SA was foremost a goalie coach. Who is filling that role now? That may be part of the problem here.
 
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lugnut92 said:
One of our huge problems seems to be that we seem to always give up a goal or two quickly at the start of the game and spend the rest of the time trying to fight back. In 21 games, we have surrendered first 18 times, and we have a -16 goal differential in the first period (-3 in the rest of regulation if we discount empty netters). Our goalies' first period save percentage is an awful .860. In the second and third periods, we put up a .930 (really good!) and .911 (right about average), respectively.

Obviously this failing is not just on the goalies, but the fact that we're always starting off in the hole prevents us from truly competing in many games.
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Normally, I would agree that it isn't just a goalie failing, but the amount of bad goals given up in the first minutes of games is just not defensable (pun intended). They just don't seem to be ready to start the game. Their concentration level is awful and they are letting in goals that should be easily stopped. Once they get into the game, they play to their ability. At this point, I think that it has to be nerves.
 
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