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RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH

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lugnut92 said:
I just can't imagine them putting the Big Red Freakout! against the Big Red. My first Freakout! was on senior night, and while it didn't exactly go well, that has to be preferable to losing the extra high-attendance game and celebrating the other team's mascot.
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I didn't realize that there is a precedent for having the BRF! on Senior Night.
 
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lugnut92 said:
I just can't imagine them putting the Big Red Freakout! against the Big Red. My first Freakout! was on senior night, and while it didn't exactly go well, that has to be preferable to losing the extra high-attendance game and celebrating the other team's mascot.
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I still remember the 08 Freakout when we were playing Princeton, and at the time Sodexho had a deal to do a Kellogg's promotion, and guess what costume they decided to break out for that... :rolleyes:
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I didn't realize that there is a precedent for having the BRF! on Senior Night.
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I'm a little surprised they didn't put it on senior night this year, because putting it on the same night as CCT means that instead of having four higher-revenue games this year, we only have three.
 
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DrDemento said:
Waite: Jen and i have seen Princeton enough to know this is not a game to take lightly especially in their rink. They seem to suffer from the same process we do, they cannot stand prosperity. Late in games they have given up the tie goal or the winning goal to snap a loss from the jaws of victory. They are not alone. just imagine the 4 games that come to mind for me about us this year. leading in both games in Alaska and we come out with 2 losses (Imagine our PWR if those are wins or even ties?). leading Clarkson with minutes to go and ending up with a tie(imagine if we held on for the win?) and tonight against Miami, leading into the third and giving up 2 goals and an empty netter for a loss (imagine if we hold on?). At the very worst that would be one more win and 3 ties with 4 less losses all against unranked opponents.
This is a curious problem. It is not a new problem this year or even in the last couple years. if it was new, we could blame this on the new boys or the recent boys or even the entire team of boys. But this has been common for years. So has a few other things. Losing important face offs, being outshot in the third period of games, being penalized more than the opponent often and of course being eliminated in the ECAC playoffs by teams ranked well below us. This is not an anomaly for this year and has happened so often that we should be considering it the norm. Anyone who can enlighten me as to why this keeps repeating itself would be appreciated.
As a physician I have always been taught to consider all the symptoms, come up with a diagnosis that fits all of them, and then devise a treatment plan to cure or at least control the disease. I am not a hockey maven, just a very interested observer for the past 60 years. I have my own feelings and have come to my own conclusions but would really like to hear from all the others who are close followers of this program who have witnessed the same things. What have we done differently? What should we be doing differently? After all isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Hoping to be in attendance at Baker rink this Thursday and would be great to see any of you who decide to come to the game. it is truly a fun place to experience a hockey game and one of those old rinks that you just have to experience at least once.
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Doc, one would think that it was a coaching problem, but I am not sure.
My first game at HFH was 10/29/1993. That team was ranked 5th in the nation going into the season which started that night. The coach was Buddy Powers and the team was very talented. The Engineers lost that night to Merrimack (not a power house team). By the ned of that season, the team went to the NCAA tournament (but not without Colorado College claiming foul).
Then came the Fridgen era. Talented teams throughout the rest of the 90s that never reached their potential. Losing to inferior teams regularly.
Now we have Appert. Much of the same. But I will give SA some credit in trying to change. He came in ranting and raving against the referees, you don't see him doing that anymore. His tactics have changed over the last few years.
I still believe that this years team is playing a better system than any SA team in the past. While I hated the two third periods this weekend, we did win one of those games. As for the other third period losses you mentioned this year,I discount the Alaska games due to the travel and lack of practice time before those games. That team just got tired at the end. And the Clarkson game, Kazzy got hurt and Hackett was thrust into his first game. He gave up a very soft goal that tied the game.
I think that SA just tells his team to go out in the third period and not make any mistakes. And you can't do that. You have to go out and play the game that got you the lead in the first place.
I don't know if we will get to the NCAAs, but this team will be a foundation for the next few years teams. JMO
 
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lugnut92 said:
I just can't imagine them putting the Big Red Freakout! against the Big Red. My first Freakout! was on senior night, and while it didn't exactly go well, that has to be preferable to losing the extra high-attendance game and celebrating the other team's mascot.
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Who cares if they are the Big Red (and FTR, Cornell is my graduate school alma mater but my loyalties reside permanently in Troy)? If we aren't making it clear to everyone on the ice, in the building or within a 3 mile radius which team we are cheering for, then we are doing something wrong. We have the same problem in any game with Cornell because of our common colors, but we aren't going to pack away our red-and-white cheers and traditions just because Ned Harkness realized that it was a vastly superior color scheme to whatever was previously used in Ithaca and turned the boys from high above Cayuga's waters into an imitation of the real thing. Cheer long and loud for red/cherry to give our boys a lift when they need it - they'll know it's for them.
 
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turk181 said:
Being Ranked #20 in this Poll means you’re out of the Tournament. That said, this has been a wholllllllle lot better season than I saw coming ATT. Kudos to SA and his coaches & the Team for their play so far in spite of injuries & academic issues.
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Good thing this poll doesn't decide who makes the tourney!
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
Doc, one would think that it was a coaching problem, but I am not sure.
My first game at HFH was 10/29/1993. That team was ranked 5th in the nation going into the season which started that night. The coach was Buddy Powers and the team was very talented. The Engineers lost that night to Merrimack (not a power house team). By the ned of that season, the team went to the NCAA tournament (but not without Colorado College claiming foul).
Then came the Fridgen era. Talented teams throughout the rest of the 90s that never reached their potential. Losing to inferior teams regularly.
Now we have Appert. Much of the same. But I will give SA some credit in trying to change. He came in ranting and raving against the referees, you don't see him doing that anymore. His tactics have changed over the last few years.
I still believe that this years team is playing a better system than any SA team in the past. While I hated the two third periods this weekend, we did win one of those games. As for the other third period losses you mentioned this year,I discount the Alaska games due to the travel and lack of practice time before those games. That team just got tired at the end. And the Clarkson game, Kazzy got hurt and Hackett was thrust into his first game. He gave up a very soft goal that tied the game.
I think that SA just tells his team to go out in the third period and not make any mistakes. And you can't do that. You have to go out and play the game that got you the lead in the first place.
I don't know if we will get to the NCAAs, but this team will be a foundation for the next few years teams. JMO
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EHF: Your last couple sentences are spot on. I was just trying to state what I feel. We have had so many different players and so many new recruits over the years but the team seems to play the same style, especially in the third period. I have no idea of the cause but you cannot blame all the players for playing poorly once we get the lead and try to hold it in the third period. This is not just the 4 instances mentioned, this is 20+ or more times in the past decade (it would be more but we do not have the lead as much as we might). We shut down and i do not think we are tired. We become tentative and we become a bunch of players who just seem to be afraid to make a mistake. "I think that SA just tells his team to go out in the third period and not make any mistakes. And you can't do that. You have to go out and play the game that got you the lead in the first place." That is my thought exactly and it needs to change quickly or this season will end quickly like many previous ones.
 
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DrDemento said:
EHF: Your last couple sentences are spot on. I was just trying to state what I feel. We have had so many different players and so many new recruits over the years but the team seems to play the same style, especially in the third period. I have no idea of the cause but you cannot blame all the players for playing poorly once we get the lead and try to hold it in the third period. This is not just the 4 instances mentioned, this is 20+ or more times in the past decade (it would be more but we do not have the lead as much as we might). We shut down and i do not think we are tired. We become tentative and we become a bunch of players who just seem to be afraid to make a mistake. "I think that SA just tells his team to go out in the third period and not make any mistakes. And you can't do that. You have to go out and play the game that got you the lead in the first place." That is my thought exactly and it needs to change quickly or this season will end quickly like many previous ones.
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And playing to avoid mistakes is a mistake as we have proven time and again. At the break I pointed out that despite the fact that the team has shown improvement, the level of play was still not good enough to make the nationals and that we had to raise our game in the second half. Well thus far it has not happened. In two games against a lesser opponent we were outscored (albeit by an ENG) and grossly outshot. In the first game shots were 25-17 for Miami and then 29-19 in the second game. And as you point out, in the putrid third periods we were outshot by 6-4 and and by a whopping 15-5 respectively. And you can't blame that unbalance on the PP because we had one more powerplay total in the two games (one of the few areas of improvement). That highlights another gross deficiency - ZERO shots on the six powerplay advantages that we had in the two games! This sad pp has gone on way too long and in my opinion is simply unacceptable.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to the <a href="https://twitter.com/penguins">@penguins</a> and Bill Guerin for their hospitality today! <a href="https://t.co/B8pLQZaFXl">pic.twitter.com/B8pLQZaFXl</a></p>— RPI Men's Hockey (@RPI_Hockey) <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey/status/684475638506516481">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_Hockey">@RPI_Hockey</a> practicing today. <a href="https://t.co/52hJgi5hrB">pic.twitter.com/52hJgi5hrB</a></p>— Penguins Rinks (@penguinsrinks) <a href="https://twitter.com/penguinsrinks/status/684489338290356224">January 5, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Edit: This is the Penguins' practice facility which is apparently where the locker room in the previous post is.
 
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From what I saw on the Root Sports (Pittsburgh cable) telecast, the guys saw a very entertaining hockey game, particularly the overtime, which was pretty much nonstop end-to-end action.

Traditionalist that I am, I prefer sticking with 5-on-5 hockey, but I wonder whether RPI's players might be inclined to favor the NHL-style 3-on-3 after watching it tonight.
 
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Waite21 said:
From what I saw on the Root Sports (Pittsburgh cable) telecast, the guys saw a very entertaining hockey game, particularly the overtime, which was pretty much nonstop end-to-end action.

Traditionalist that I am, I prefer sticking with 5-on-5 hockey, but I wonder whether RPI's players might be inclined to favor the NHL-style 3-on-3 after watching it tonight.
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Perry Laskaris, who is apparently traveling with the team, liked it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hoo boy. Blackhawks and Penguins playing 3-on-3 OT. Does it get better than this? (Other than the playoffs, of course)</p>— Perry Laskaris (@PerryLaskaris) <a href="https://twitter.com/PerryLaskaris/status/684562002933604352">January 6, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Waite21 said:
From what I saw on the Root Sports (Pittsburgh cable) telecast, the guys saw a very entertaining hockey game, particularly the overtime, which was pretty much nonstop end-to-end action.

Traditionalist that I am, I prefer sticking with 5-on-5 hockey, but I wonder whether RPI's players might be inclined to favor the NHL-style 3-on-3 after watching it tonight.
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Guarantee the MNM line would like it.....though 1 would probably sit for a D-man.
 
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turk181 said:
Guarantee the MNM line would like it.....though 1 would probably sit for a D-man.
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Like Waite21, I am a traditionalist and see nothing wrong with ties, but I prefer 3 on 3 to a shootout. When I started watching NHL hockey, there was no overtime at all.

I did enjoy OT when I started watching college hockey at RPI (especially on one evening in December 1968. :) )
 
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I agree, Ralph. I still see nothing wrong with a tie.

But if the NCAA wants to cut down on ties, I'd much rather see them go back to the 10-minute overtime that was used in the 1960's than go to a shootout.

Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, the winning goal was scored subsequent to the 5-minute mark of overtime on that evening in December 1968. If the game were played under today's rules with overtime limited to 5 minutes, the game would have ended in a tie.

I think all RPI fans would have felt quite gratified if RPI had tied Cornell that night, considering where the two programs had been in the immediately preceding years, but we might not be remembering it quite so vividly 47 years later. ;)
 
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