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RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Ah OK. And looks like they'll have it until the national tournament at the earliest.
Ah OK. And looks like they'll have it until the national tournament at the earliest.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
At the risk of changing the subject on this thread as I am often wont to do can somebody tell me why there was a 3-on-3 second OT and then an exhibition shoot-out last night in Denver vs. Notre Dame? I understand there is this 3-on-3 'protocol' that the NCHC utilizes for their teams' conference standings only if the 5-on-5 overtime is scoreless (game is recorded as a tie for PWR purposes). But Notre Dame being HE does not utilize this ridiculous system to the best of my knowledge so why allow it for inter-conference play? To me this whole idea of a shoot-out is a sham and is not hockey which is a team game. I'm not a fan of the 3-on-3 except for the fact that in the NHL it does eliminate the frequency of the shoot-out. I just don't get why is overtime really needed in regular season anyway. In the long run it will not make much difference in the standings and the added risk of players getting injured because they are tired and do not have the ordinary break between periods is simply not worth it.
Disclaimer: I am an old man and remember back when hockey games ended in ties without extra periods except for playoffs and to determine tournament winners.
At the risk of changing the subject on this thread as I am often wont to do can somebody tell me why there was a 3-on-3 second OT and then an exhibition shoot-out last night in Denver vs. Notre Dame? I understand there is this 3-on-3 'protocol' that the NCHC utilizes for their teams' conference standings only if the 5-on-5 overtime is scoreless (game is recorded as a tie for PWR purposes). But Notre Dame being HE does not utilize this ridiculous system to the best of my knowledge so why allow it for inter-conference play? To me this whole idea of a shoot-out is a sham and is not hockey which is a team game. I'm not a fan of the 3-on-3 except for the fact that in the NHL it does eliminate the frequency of the shoot-out. I just don't get why is overtime really needed in regular season anyway. In the long run it will not make much difference in the standings and the added risk of players getting injured because they are tired and do not have the ordinary break between periods is simply not worth it.
Disclaimer: I am an old man and remember back when hockey games ended in ties without extra periods except for playoffs and to determine tournament winners.
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
DeepRed: Add me to those who yearn for the old days of the way hockey games were decided. Having tie games during the season just made the Stanley Cup series that much more special since you played each game to a decision. Also, not having shootouts made me appreciate a penalty shot (just so rare in those days). The game has been changed for whatever reasons they wanted to use but in my mind, and I am an old timer also, it has not been changed for the better.
DeepRed: Add me to those who yearn for the old days of the way hockey games were decided. Having tie games during the season just made the Stanley Cup series that much more special since you played each game to a decision. Also, not having shootouts made me appreciate a penalty shot (just so rare in those days). The game has been changed for whatever reasons they wanted to use but in my mind, and I am an old timer also, it has not been changed for the better.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Denver was the home team, so NCHC rules have precedence once national stipulations (either 5 minute 5v5 OT OR play 5v5 until winner, a la playoffs) have been decided. It's just like how when we play at AHC rinks, even if there is no television being broadcast, the league dictates there be an official timeout when you would normally have commercial breaks. Do not be surprised to see the same 3v3 and shootout garbage if the game officially ends in a tie.
Denver was the home team, so NCHC rules have precedence once national stipulations (either 5 minute 5v5 OT OR play 5v5 until winner, a la playoffs) have been decided. It's just like how when we play at AHC rinks, even if there is no television being broadcast, the league dictates there be an official timeout when you would normally have commercial breaks. Do not be surprised to see the same 3v3 and shootout garbage if the game officially ends in a tie.
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Agree with you both. At the risk of sounding like the “old guy” yelling at the kids to get off my lawn I think the changes made are to appease a generation who want things done now. In the future perhaps all games will be 3x3 like in this years NHL All-Star game format. I’m joking of course. The NHL All-Star game had become a joke & changes were needed..... there.
RPIPuzzleGuy
Terminally fatalistic
I don't know, but I think I just lost a lot of negotiating power. :-D
I gotta credit my companion for this one, though. https://twitter.com/thatpuzzleguy/status/683473469472911361
RPIPuzzleGuy
Terminally fatalistic
Not true; I was at Notre Dame in 2014. Happily, the point is rendered further moot.
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
For some brief moments, the win over Miami has moved us up a tad in POWER and RPI and Krach. We have jumped over BC!!! And just below UML. Would have been nice to hold those two leads we had in the third periods out in Alaska. Just goes to show how much some little things mean in these listings.
For some brief moments, the win over Miami has moved us up a tad in POWER and RPI and Krach. We have jumped over BC!!! And just below UML. Would have been nice to hold those two leads we had in the third periods out in Alaska. Just goes to show how much some little things mean in these listings.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Why did I think the third game was at Denver in 2006?
Oh well, we got the win. Let's get another one tomorrow.
Why did I think the third game was at Denver in 2006?
Oh well, we got the win. Let's get another one tomorrow.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
BC coming in 4th in Estero doesn't help us at all. Especially considering OSU is in the basement of the B1G. And we lose the comparison to UAA, who is way down there. Right now, we are just out of the tournament, as both the AHC and WCHA would receive an auto-bid.
BC coming in 4th in Estero doesn't help us at all. Especially considering OSU is in the basement of the B1G. And we lose the comparison to UAA, who is way down there. Right now, we are just out of the tournament, as both the AHC and WCHA would receive an auto-bid.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
SA postgame video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4h_D7L733A
SA postgame video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4h_D7L733A
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Next year's non-travel partner ECAC schedule
11/4 Brown
11/5 Yale
11/11 Clarkson
11/12 SLU
12/2 @QU
12/3 @Princeton
12/9 @Yale
12/10 @Brown
1/13/17 Harvard
1/14 Dartmouth
1/27 @SLU
1/28 @Clarkson
2/3 Colgate
2/4 Cornell
2/10 @Dartmouth
2/11 @Harvard
2/17 Princeton
2/18 QU
2/24 @Cornell
2/25 @Colgate
source http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,201148,201148,page=1#msg-201148 (see attachment)
Next year's non-travel partner ECAC schedule
11/4 Brown
11/5 Yale
11/11 Clarkson
11/12 SLU
12/2 @QU
12/3 @Princeton
12/9 @Yale
12/10 @Brown
1/13/17 Harvard
1/14 Dartmouth
1/27 @SLU
1/28 @Clarkson
2/3 Colgate
2/4 Cornell
2/10 @Dartmouth
2/11 @Harvard
2/17 Princeton
2/18 QU
2/24 @Cornell
2/25 @Colgate
source http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,201148,201148,page=1#msg-201148 (see attachment)
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Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Looks like we'll have our first ever Freakout! against Quinnipiac
Looks like we'll have our first ever Freakout! against Quinnipiac
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Ralph has indicated that he does not intend to start a preview thread for the Princeton game this week, so we can just discuss the game here on the regular RPI thread.
Princeton will come into this game with a record of 4-12 against NCAA opponents, but they took their opponents right down to the wire in ten of those twelve losses.
Ignoring their two blowout losses, here's what happened to them in the other ten.
They lost their opener to Yale, 3-1, with Yale scoring an empty-netter in the final minute.
They lost to Cornell, 4-3, with Cornell scoring the game-winner in the final minute.
They lost to Colgate, 2-1.
They lost to Dartmouth, 3-2.
They lost to Harvard, 3-0, with Harvard scoring two empty-netters in the final minute.
They lost to Maine, 5-3, with Maine scoring the game-winner in the final minute and then adding an empty-netter.
They lost to Maine, 3-2, in overtime.
They lost to Penn State, 6-3, with Penn State scoring two empty-netters in the final minute.
They lost to Quinnipiac, 4-3.
They lost to Holy Cross, 4-3, with Holy Cross scoring the game-winner in the final minute.
An additional note - Colgate scored its game-winning goal in the final minute of the second period, while Dartmouth scored its game-winning goal in the final minute of the first period. The words "Last minute of play in the period" seem to trigger the red light behind the Princeton goal with amazing frequency.
After this many close losses, Princeton could be excused for developing a "How are we going to lose this time?" attitude.
I expect to be at the game Thursday night. If Princeton shows up with that attitude, I'll be only too happy to excuse them.
Ralph has indicated that he does not intend to start a preview thread for the Princeton game this week, so we can just discuss the game here on the regular RPI thread.
Princeton will come into this game with a record of 4-12 against NCAA opponents, but they took their opponents right down to the wire in ten of those twelve losses.
Ignoring their two blowout losses, here's what happened to them in the other ten.
They lost their opener to Yale, 3-1, with Yale scoring an empty-netter in the final minute.
They lost to Cornell, 4-3, with Cornell scoring the game-winner in the final minute.
They lost to Colgate, 2-1.
They lost to Dartmouth, 3-2.
They lost to Harvard, 3-0, with Harvard scoring two empty-netters in the final minute.
They lost to Maine, 5-3, with Maine scoring the game-winner in the final minute and then adding an empty-netter.
They lost to Maine, 3-2, in overtime.
They lost to Penn State, 6-3, with Penn State scoring two empty-netters in the final minute.
They lost to Quinnipiac, 4-3.
They lost to Holy Cross, 4-3, with Holy Cross scoring the game-winner in the final minute.
An additional note - Colgate scored its game-winning goal in the final minute of the second period, while Dartmouth scored its game-winning goal in the final minute of the first period. The words "Last minute of play in the period" seem to trigger the red light behind the Princeton goal with amazing frequency.
After this many close losses, Princeton could be excused for developing a "How are we going to lose this time?" attitude.
I expect to be at the game Thursday night. If Princeton shows up with that attitude, I'll be only too happy to excuse them.
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
Waite: Jen and i have seen Princeton enough to know this is not a game to take lightly especially in their rink. They seem to suffer from the same process we do, they cannot stand prosperity. Late in games they have given up the tie goal or the winning goal to snap a loss from the jaws of victory. They are not alone. just imagine the 4 games that come to mind for me about us this year. leading in both games in Alaska and we come out with 2 losses (Imagine our PWR if those are wins or even ties?). leading Clarkson with minutes to go and ending up with a tie(imagine if we held on for the win?) and tonight against Miami, leading into the third and giving up 2 goals and an empty netter for a loss (imagine if we hold on?). At the very worst that would be one more win and 3 ties with 4 less losses all against unranked opponents.
This is a curious problem. It is not a new problem this year or even in the last couple years. if it was new, we could blame this on the new boys or the recent boys or even the entire team of boys. But this has been common for years. So has a few other things. Losing important face offs, being outshot in the third period of games, being penalized more than the opponent often and of course being eliminated in the ECAC playoffs by teams ranked well below us. This is not an anomaly for this year and has happened so often that we should be considering it the norm. Anyone who can enlighten me as to why this keeps repeating itself would be appreciated.
As a physician I have always been taught to consider all the symptoms, come up with a diagnosis that fits all of them, and then devise a treatment plan to cure or at least control the disease. I am not a hockey maven, just a very interested observer for the past 60 years. I have my own feelings and have come to my own conclusions but would really like to hear from all the others who are close followers of this program who have witnessed the same things. What have we done differently? What should we be doing differently? After all isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Hoping to be in attendance at Baker rink this Thursday and would be great to see any of you who decide to come to the game. it is truly a fun place to experience a hockey game and one of those old rinks that you just have to experience at least once.
Waite: Jen and i have seen Princeton enough to know this is not a game to take lightly especially in their rink. They seem to suffer from the same process we do, they cannot stand prosperity. Late in games they have given up the tie goal or the winning goal to snap a loss from the jaws of victory. They are not alone. just imagine the 4 games that come to mind for me about us this year. leading in both games in Alaska and we come out with 2 losses (Imagine our PWR if those are wins or even ties?). leading Clarkson with minutes to go and ending up with a tie(imagine if we held on for the win?) and tonight against Miami, leading into the third and giving up 2 goals and an empty netter for a loss (imagine if we hold on?). At the very worst that would be one more win and 3 ties with 4 less losses all against unranked opponents.
This is a curious problem. It is not a new problem this year or even in the last couple years. if it was new, we could blame this on the new boys or the recent boys or even the entire team of boys. But this has been common for years. So has a few other things. Losing important face offs, being outshot in the third period of games, being penalized more than the opponent often and of course being eliminated in the ECAC playoffs by teams ranked well below us. This is not an anomaly for this year and has happened so often that we should be considering it the norm. Anyone who can enlighten me as to why this keeps repeating itself would be appreciated.
As a physician I have always been taught to consider all the symptoms, come up with a diagnosis that fits all of them, and then devise a treatment plan to cure or at least control the disease. I am not a hockey maven, just a very interested observer for the past 60 years. I have my own feelings and have come to my own conclusions but would really like to hear from all the others who are close followers of this program who have witnessed the same things. What have we done differently? What should we be doing differently? After all isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Hoping to be in attendance at Baker rink this Thursday and would be great to see any of you who decide to come to the game. it is truly a fun place to experience a hockey game and one of those old rinks that you just have to experience at least once.
FlagDUDE08
Banned
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
And once again, ECAC trying to ruin our finances and potentially our traditions by putting Cornell when Freakout would usually be.
And once again, ECAC trying to ruin our finances and potentially our traditions by putting Cornell when Freakout would usually be.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
But that would also be Senior Night. I suspect that FD08 is correct that it will be Cornell.
But that would also be Senior Night. I suspect that FD08 is correct that it will be Cornell.
Re: RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH
I just can't imagine them putting the Big Red Freakout! against the Big Red. My first Freakout! was on senior night, and while it didn't exactly go well, that has to be preferable to losing the extra high-attendance game and celebrating the other team's mascot.
I just can't imagine them putting the Big Red Freakout! against the Big Red. My first Freakout! was on senior night, and while it didn't exactly go well, that has to be preferable to losing the extra high-attendance game and celebrating the other team's mascot.
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