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RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
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Wicked-could not find fault with any of that. he does have a shot-but his seems to be most effective 10-15 feet from the goal. Anything further out and he might indeed be better off looking for a teammate to pass to. He has a pretty quick release and from close range, the goalies at this level just usually do not react quickly enough. But further out, say 15-25 feet, i would rather have Haggerty taking the shot. BTW, further out than that-at the point for example, I would not want to waste the Haggerty shot-most of those get blocked or deflected off net. From the point, and especially on the power play, I really wish our point men(who personally I think should always have at least one defenseman out there) should always try to skate the puck in a bit deeper before shooting. There is a lot of this that is about reaction time and every couple feet in closer just makes it more a fraction more difficult for the goalies. At the NHL level, different story, those goalies are just so cat quick that if you are not breathing on them, they have time to stop anything they see.
Wicked-could not find fault with any of that. he does have a shot-but his seems to be most effective 10-15 feet from the goal. Anything further out and he might indeed be better off looking for a teammate to pass to. He has a pretty quick release and from close range, the goalies at this level just usually do not react quickly enough. But further out, say 15-25 feet, i would rather have Haggerty taking the shot. BTW, further out than that-at the point for example, I would not want to waste the Haggerty shot-most of those get blocked or deflected off net. From the point, and especially on the power play, I really wish our point men(who personally I think should always have at least one defenseman out there) should always try to skate the puck in a bit deeper before shooting. There is a lot of this that is about reaction time and every couple feet in closer just makes it more a fraction more difficult for the goalies. At the NHL level, different story, those goalies are just so cat quick that if you are not breathing on them, they have time to stop anything they see.
Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
DR72-Our chances for an at large bid are virtually nonexistent. No matter-if this team gets it together and can stay healthy(big if, if JL is out) they will get through the ECAC playoff rounds and be a handful for anyone at Lake Placid. That is their route to any NCAA bid and I would not place a bet against that happening. There is a lot of talent on this team and some of it is just starting to show up.
DR72-Our chances for an at large bid are virtually nonexistent. No matter-if this team gets it together and can stay healthy(big if, if JL is out) they will get through the ECAC playoff rounds and be a handful for anyone at Lake Placid. That is their route to any NCAA bid and I would not place a bet against that happening. There is a lot of talent on this team and some of it is just starting to show up.
Ralph Baer
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Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
Probably.
Should get out my decoder ring?
Probably.
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Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
Urban dictionary is your friend when RC does these shorthands.
Should get out my decoder ring?
Urban dictionary is your friend when RC does these shorthands.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
Thanks. I had guessed that the DR meant Deep Red.
Urban dictionary is your friend when RC does these shorthands.
Thanks. I had guessed that the DR meant Deep Red.
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Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
For those with ADD I'll summarize by quoting Jim Carey, "So you're telling me there's a chance?!! Yessss."
For those with ADD I'll summarize by quoting Jim Carey, "So you're telling me there's a chance?!! Yessss."
Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
Here's why I didn't read it - because it's nonsense. You're taking a dynamic system which depends on hundreds of different remaining games spread across every single team in the nation and trying to boil it down to "if we win X number of games, this is where we will be in the PWR." And it doesn't work like that.
Congratulations on wasting your time. You could have saved yourself many words and however long it took you to come up with that by just saying "well, the better we play, the better off we'll be for the PWR." Which is always true.
Here's why I didn't read it - because it's nonsense. You're taking a dynamic system which depends on hundreds of different remaining games spread across every single team in the nation and trying to boil it down to "if we win X number of games, this is where we will be in the PWR." And it doesn't work like that.
Congratulations on wasting your time. You could have saved yourself many words and however long it took you to come up with that by just saying "well, the better we play, the better off we'll be for the PWR." Which is always true.
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To each his own. I like to do statistical modeling. You like to criticize and demean. One is constructive the other is not. I feel very sad for you.
To each his own. I like to do statistical modeling. You like to criticize and demean. One is constructive the other is not. I feel very sad for you.
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He does have a point, though, that other games have a great effect on one's RatingsPI and PWR standing. Remember that you must include your win percentage, your opponents win percentage when not counting games against you, and your opponents' opponents winning percentage when not counting any of the aforementioned games, not to mention any bonus points from quality wins. You could model it (heck even I've tried), but given the amount of time it takes to calculate it once even with a computer because of the iterations, and there are I'd guess about 200 games still to be played, more than half of which have three potential outcomes instead of two, good luck.
He does have a point, though, that other games have a great effect on one's RatingsPI and PWR standing. Remember that you must include your win percentage, your opponents win percentage when not counting games against you, and your opponents' opponents winning percentage when not counting any of the aforementioned games, not to mention any bonus points from quality wins. You could model it (heck even I've tried), but given the amount of time it takes to calculate it once even with a computer because of the iterations, and there are I'd guess about 200 games still to be played, more than half of which have three potential outcomes instead of two, good luck.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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Counting playoffs, I would think a bit over 300. We have 8 games plus two guaranteed playoff games. Almost everyone has at least those ten, so that would be 295. Adding some teams with a couple more, that gets over 300.
Counting playoffs, I would think a bit over 300. We have 8 games plus two guaranteed playoff games. Almost everyone has at least those ten, so that would be 295. Adding some teams with a couple more, that gets over 300.
Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
Pot, meet kettle. I could go back and recall the posts where you were critical and demeaning, but I'm not about restart the circle here.
I'm sorry that I pointed out your waste of time and that your statistical model is meaningless. Were your feelings hurt?
Edit: We clearly have different meanings of "constructive."
Pot, meet kettle. I could go back and recall the posts where you were critical and demeaning, but I'm not about restart the circle here.
I'm sorry that I pointed out your waste of time and that your statistical model is meaningless. Were your feelings hurt?
Edit: We clearly have different meanings of "constructive."
Re: RPI 2013/14 Part III: Maximum Overdrivel
I can't get the numbers to work out as well as you-my abacus broke a string.
I can't get the numbers to work out as well as you-my abacus broke a string.
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The Union Annual Report came out today, available for reading here. The UAR sets the budget for the activities of the Union, which includes non-personnel expenses for all intercollegiate athletics.
Interestingly, the Union was able to decrease its subsidy to the men's team from $369,645 to just $204,746, a reduction of -44.61%. There's a note earlier in the document that "Due to increased income from the sale of Men’s Ice Hockey Tickets, the Executive Board was able to increase the amount of expenditures for D-I and D-III sports teams while lowering the overall subsidy allocated to Intercollegiate Athletics."
I wonder if the extra income was primarily driven by increased attendance, ticket prices, or both?
In related UAR news, RPI TV's subsidy was decreased from $16,723 to $11,058, while WRPI saw a minor increase from $35,653 to $38,156.
The Union Annual Report came out today, available for reading here. The UAR sets the budget for the activities of the Union, which includes non-personnel expenses for all intercollegiate athletics.
Interestingly, the Union was able to decrease its subsidy to the men's team from $369,645 to just $204,746, a reduction of -44.61%. There's a note earlier in the document that "Due to increased income from the sale of Men’s Ice Hockey Tickets, the Executive Board was able to increase the amount of expenditures for D-I and D-III sports teams while lowering the overall subsidy allocated to Intercollegiate Athletics."
I wonder if the extra income was primarily driven by increased attendance, ticket prices, or both?
In related UAR news, RPI TV's subsidy was decreased from $16,723 to $11,058, while WRPI saw a minor increase from $35,653 to $38,156.
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Attendance, and therefore ticket sales, have certainly increased since the 2009-10 season (although still fairly low because of the doldrums of 08-09 in terms of season tickets, single game I'm sure shot up), and perhaps the experiment of the prestige pricing for Union, CCT, Cornell, and Freakout worked, and that contributes. I would think the answer is both.
I wonder if RPI-TV's subsidy is down because they're using Youtube instead of stressing RPI's servers.
Attendance, and therefore ticket sales, have certainly increased since the 2009-10 season (although still fairly low because of the doldrums of 08-09 in terms of season tickets, single game I'm sure shot up), and perhaps the experiment of the prestige pricing for Union, CCT, Cornell, and Freakout worked, and that contributes. I would think the answer is both.
I wonder if RPI-TV's subsidy is down because they're using Youtube instead of stressing RPI's servers.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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Even with a rough calculation there must be other things at work. That's a change of $160,000. At about $10 per ticket that's 16,000 tickets. (I am too lazy to look up the exact number but it, but I think including student tickets the average is probably significantly less.) Attendance hasn't gone up about 2000 per game, has it?
As a wild guess, the RPI-TV change might be due to not needing to by a lot of new equipment.
Even with a rough calculation there must be other things at work. That's a change of $160,000. At about $10 per ticket that's 16,000 tickets. (I am too lazy to look up the exact number but it, but I think including student tickets the average is probably significantly less.) Attendance hasn't gone up about 2000 per game, has it?
As a wild guess, the RPI-TV change might be due to not needing to by a lot of new equipment.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
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Although it has gone up, mine is still in the noise.
Ralph: Perhaps they finally received those donations you and I sent in this year?
Although it has gone up, mine is still in the noise.