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RPI 2013/14 Part II: The HFH is Covered with Frozen Drivel

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fishcore12 said:
No league points on the line and safer to play for OT. Besides if he did pull him and DU scored, his critics would have railed on and on about that until the end of time.
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If you're trying to be politically correct about me, I wouldn't have railed him for that. We were expected to lose to them twice. Considering we are their effective equal by the evidence that both games went to overtime can be seen as either good for us or bad for them. What I see is further proof that we would be a great team if we were in a different league.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If you're trying to be politically correct about me, I wouldn't have railed him for that. We were expected to lose to them twice. Considering we are their effective equal by the evidence that both games went to overtime can be seen as either good for us or bad for them. What I see is further proof that we would be a great team if we were in a different league.
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Dude, that makes no sense at all. Either you are a great team or you are not. It doesn't matter where you play.
 
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For those who celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas, and to everyone a Happy Holiday Season!
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
Not having been around at that time, I have a question.
If Addesa was not fired immediately after the Brown game, is it possible that he was fired for losing the team that went 0-8-1, and not for the comments he made?
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0.00 chance !
 
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troyboy said:
0.00 chance !
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That is one we can agree on. After winning the NCAAs in 1985 Addesa was revered by the Alumni supporters of the team. The Administration wouldn't have had the ammo to let him go without the aforementioned incident.

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For all that celebrate the holidays (and to all those that don't), have a happy and a healthy new year.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
If you're trying to be politically correct about me, I wouldn't have railed him for that. We were expected to lose to them twice. Considering we are their effective equal by the evidence that both games went to overtime can be seen as either good for us or bad for them. What I see is further proof that we would be a great team if we were in a different league.
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Not always about you Dude...
 
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DrDemento said:
Not sure how long this article will be posted-but it is interesting-and please check out the school listed as number 20!!! http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...lleges-worth-investment-former-132020890.html

Edit-considering where I was before attending and how we stand now-I suspect it was well worth it for my personal ROI.:D
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I don't know how this works, I did all the investing, and my kids get all the income. :rolleyes:
 
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engineerhockeyfan said:
I don't know how this works, I did all the investing, and my kids get all the income. :rolleyes:
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I know exactly how you feel-I paid the full tuition and all the extras while she went and got herself 4 degrees. i could be driving a Veyron right now if I did not have that expense.:eek:
 
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DrDemento said:
I know exactly how you feel-I paid the full tuition and all the extras while she went and got herself 4 degrees. i could be driving a Veyron right now if I did not have that expense.:eek:
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Hey Doc - I bet no one feels sorry for you;).

RPI is indeed still worth the coin but the value proposition is clearly heading south. I believe the average starting salary when I graduated in 1988 was in the range of $30-35K and the total cost for 4 years was under $100K and perhaps closer to $75K. The starting salaries haven't quite doubled since then yet the cost is approaching 3X.

It must be more lucrative to be a professor or school administrator that it used to be.
 
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jmhusker said:
Hey Doc - I bet no one feels sorry for you;).

RPI is indeed still worth the coin but the value proposition is clearly heading south. I believe the average starting salary when I graduated in 1988 was in the range of $30-35K and the total cost for 4 years was under $100K and perhaps closer to $75K. The starting salaries haven't quite doubled since then yet the cost is approaching 3X.

It must be more lucrative to be a professor or school administrator that it used to be.
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It undoubtedly was even better when I graduated. The total tuition for my four years was $7250 and other costs may have made it slightly over $10K. I don't know what the starting salary was back then, but I suspect that was not much less then that total cost. (I guess one needs to ignore the salaries of those who went to Viet Nam.)
 
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jmhusker said:
Hey Doc - I bet no one feels sorry for you;).

RPI is indeed still worth the coin but the value proposition is clearly heading south. I believe the average starting salary when I graduated in 1988 was in the range of $30-35K and the total cost for 4 years was under $100K and perhaps closer to $75K. The starting salaries haven't quite doubled since then yet the cost is approaching 3X.

It must be more lucrative to be a professor or school administrator that it used to be.
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JM-Even I don't feel sorry for me. I left RPI in 1966 and headed off to medical school. RPI was wonderful to me-My family had little or nothing for school and the shcool arranged some scholarhip money and mostly loans. By the time I had left, they had changed the loans to total academic scholarship money and I left owing about $1000 total. Never expect and probably unheard of. Medical school was a different story-cost a fortune(which we did not have) and they offered zero in any sort of help so we arranged our own loans from various banks. I am not complaining at all. I do not think I can even calculate the ROI for myself since I was able to earn a bit more than the $1000 in RPI student loans fairly quickly and several times over.;)

But for my daughter it was a different story. I was divorced when she was quite young but when she reached college age(and was an incredibly bright young lady) the schools all wanted my tax returns to decide on any sort of aid. She was an independent sort and felt she would pay her own way-but by 1987 costs as you know were climbing rapidly. I paid for her 4 degrees-from 4 different colleges and of course all the living expenses associated. Years ago I ran the total and it came to a tad over $250,000 so I was obviously tongue in cheek about a Veyron which lists about 8 times that amount.

I have nothing but great admiration for RPI and it is part of the reason I have followed the athletic teams and everything in the news about the school for 48 years after leaving. I have recruited a great number of students for RPI over the years(most academic and a few athletic). I was just extremely happy to see us make the top 20 on that list and know that there are about 3480 other shcools ranked below us.

But I would still like to drive a Veyron even if it is just once!!
 
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Ralph Baer said:
It undoubtedly was even better when I graduated. The total tuition for my four years was $7250 and other costs may have made it slightly over $10K. I don't know what the starting salary was back then, but I suspect that was not much less then that total cost. (I guess one needs to ignore the salaries of those who went to Viet Nam.)
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RB-Did you go to work right out of RPI? I had Medical School to finish first so my starting salary was as an inter 5 years later and was $5000 for the entire year as I recall. Then off to Boston as a Resident and teaching fellow with a huge 20% raise to $6000 per year:eek: So my initial ROI was not all that spectacular. But after 3 years of Residency there and then 2 more in other specialties elsewhere, I seemed to have made the right choice as i caught up fairly quickly.:) But the timing was right for me-I suspect if i made the same choices now-I might still be in debt and paying off student loans.:(
 
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DrDemento said:
RB-Did you go to work right out of RPI? I had Medical School to finish first so my starting salary was as an inter 5 years later and was $5000 for the entire year as I recall. Then off to Boston as a Resident and teaching fellow with a huge 20% raise to $6000 per year:eek: So my initial ROI was not all that spectacular. But after 3 years of Residency there and then 2 more in other specialties elsewhere, I seemed to have made the right choice as i caught up fairly quickly.:) But the timing was right for me-I suspect if i made the same choices now-I might still be in debt and paying off student loans.:(
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The way you phrased that, the answer is "yes". I went to work immediately after receiving my Ph. D. from RPI in 1974, not after my B.S. in 1968. It took me six years to get my Ph.D. because I was teaching full time (three 3-credit courses per semester) and only taking 6 credits of courses per semester for the first four years in order to avoid the draft. I also took courses the first couple of summers.

Thus I don't know what the starting salaries were in 1968. I do know what I got in 1974 with a Ph.D. :D
 
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Ralph Baer said:
The way you phrased that, the answer is "yes". I went to work immediately after receiving my Ph. D. from RPI in 1974, not after my B.S. in 1968. It took me six years to get my Ph.D. because I was teaching full time (three 3-credit courses per semester) and only taking 6 credits of courses per semester for the first four years in order to avoid the draft. I also took courses the first couple of summers.

Thus I don't know what the starting salaries were in 1968. I do know what I got in 1974 with a Ph.D. :D
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I kept a fairly accurate running account of all my costs during my 4 undergraduate years. I graduated in 1972. Including tuition, books, room & board, transportation, drinking (NYS legal age was 18 back in the day - remember the Rathskeller had a tap!), etc. the 4 years came to about $20K ($4.5K Freshman year, $5.5K Senior year). Of that about $6K was academic scholarship. My loans amounted to about $4K. So half was funded by savings and summer jobs. Although I was matriculating in the Professional Program (remember that one could gain an extra year of draft deferment if you entered this program which issued a B.S. and Masters after the five years), when I realized my draft lottery number was just high enough that I would not be called, I dropped the Masters and left after 4 years with only the B.S. in ChemE. I took my first job in 1972 as an Intern Engineer as the job market was much tighter than I imagined. My first true Engineering job was at an Aerospace company starting in June 1973 with a starting salary of $10.9K. I eventually got an MBA and a P.E license along the way but don't know if there is evidence that those contributed to the subsequent salary increases but maybe helped with not ever being laid off. Considering that I worked 40 years without ever being unemployed, in an industry that had credible pension benefits if you stayed, I would indeed agree that the RPI degree was well worth the investment, even considering the 4 years of opportunity loss while in school. Even though retired for just over a year now, those checks are still coming in.:)
 
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DeepRed72 said:
I kept a fairly accurate running account of all my costs during my 4 undergraduate years. I graduated in 1972. Including tuition, books, room & board, transportation, drinking (NYS legal age was 18 back in the day - remember the Rathskeller had a tap!), etc. the 4 years came to about $20K ($4.5K Freshman year, $5.5K Senior year). Of that about $6K was academic scholarship. My loans amounted to about $4K. So half was funded by savings and summer jobs. Although I was matriculating in the Professional Program (remember that one could gain an extra year of draft deferment if you entered this program which issued a B.S. and Masters after the five years), when I realized my draft lottery number was just high enough that I would not be called, I dropped the Masters and left after 4 years with only the B.S. in ChemE. I took my first job in 1972 as an Intern Engineer as the job market was much tighter than I imagined. My first true Engineering job was at an Aerospace company starting in June 1973 with a starting salary of $10.9K. I eventually got an MBA and a P.E license along the way but don't know if there is evidence that those contributed to the subsequent salary increases but maybe helped with not ever being laid off. Considering that I worked 40 years without ever being unemployed, in an industry that had credible pension benefits if you stayed, I would indeed agree that the RPI degree was well worth the investment, even considering the 4 years of opportunity loss while in school. Even though retired for just over a year now, those checks are still coming in.:)
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I probably underestimated the other costs. It depends upon what is included. It was definitely still less than your $20K, but I was 4 years ahead of you. (Also I didn't reach 18 until the middle of my sophomore year. :) )
 
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I think my tuition was $1400-1964, $1600-1965, $1800-1966, $2000-1967 total $6,800 with other costs about the same so maybe $15,000. I had a job offer for $9,200 in 1967. I stayed 1 year for a masters and started at a defense company for $12,000 worked 40 years and collect a pension. The RPI degress were a very good ROI of cost and experience competing with all you smart guys. All helped in my career.

Looking forward to more great RPI hockey starting tomorrow. Go RED.
 
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